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(05-05-2020 06:26 PM)HOF 08 Wrote:  As long as we are speculating on many topics/scenarios let me throw this into the mix. If NIU/MAC drops from D1 why do we have to stay with the same MAC schools? I for one would find it much more interesting to combine some Missouri Valley/MAC/Ohio Valley schools and make a very competitive conference with some geographical rivals. NIU-ISU-SIU-Toledo-Miami-CMU-WMU-Missouri State-North Dakota St-Western Kentucky-Ball St. Throw in another school or 2- subtract a school or two use your imagination. Imo it would be very competitive in most sports and with some in state rivals I think you would get more fan interest especially students and have a nice non D1 league. Ok I’ll put my margarita down try to sober up and wish all happy cinco de mayo.

Probably because a move in conference teams like that isn't up to us and those teams all 1) are happy where they are and 2) have little to no interest in helping us out.
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(05-05-2020 06:27 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 05:24 PM)dogdangit Wrote:  NIU being FBS is a big reason why I chose to come here.

Same. I wouldn’t have attended NIU otherwise. Watching College Gameday‘s NIU @ Bowling Green was the moment I subconsciously knew I’d always attend NIU.

If NIU went FCS, I’d still support the team but wouldn’t care that much. I’d go to more Northwestern games in that scenario, to be brutally honest. FCS football just doesn’t interest me.

But what would it change? It wouldn't change the teams we play (assuming that this is a huge drop in a lot of teams dropping to FCS...if it's just NIU, I'll admit, it'd sting a little). Like...our schedule wouldn't really change much. We'd still probably get those two money games like we currently get, and then play a bunch of FCS teams (which most of them were former FBS teams).

Then, NU would continue to play B1G schools.

I'm not sure I get the difference other than the ultimate championship (which neither team is going to win) at the end of the season.
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(05-05-2020 06:48 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 06:26 PM)HOF 08 Wrote:  As long as we are speculating on many topics/scenarios let me throw this into the mix. If NIU/MAC drops from D1 why do we have to stay with the same MAC schools? I for one would find it much more interesting to combine some Missouri Valley/MAC/Ohio Valley schools and make a very competitive conference with some geographical rivals. NIU-ISU-SIU-Toledo-Miami-CMU-WMU-Missouri State-North Dakota St-Western Kentucky-Ball St. Throw in another school or 2- subtract a school or two use your imagination. Imo it would be very competitive in most sports and with some in state rivals I think you would get more fan interest especially students and have a nice non D1 league. Ok I’ll put my margarita down try to sober up and wish all happy cinco de mayo.

Probably because a move in conference teams like that isn't up to us and those teams all 1) are happy where they are and 2) have little to no interest in helping us out.

I think it would be an idea worth looking into and I think several of those schools would like to have us in their conference and we would be helping each other out. Me personally I would rather play those teams in place of half the MAC teams we play but realistically it’s a long shot at best I agree.
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(05-05-2020 09:25 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  So for those of you against FCS, if NIU were ever to face the decision of FCS or no football, you would be in favor of NIU dropping football?

I don't think there is enough financial benefit to dropping down. FCS only has 20 less scholarships. At $25,000 per student (tuition, room & board, meal plan) x 20 student-athletes, that only saves you $500,000 a year. FCS teams usually only play 1 P5 school per season, not 2-3 P5 schools like we have been each year, so that's less revenue from P5 games. Additionally, P5 schools pay FCS schools less to play them than G5. So really, dropping down may end up costing us more money or be a break even.

The real question is like you just asked. Keep 1-A football or drop football completely. I don't know of any major university that has no football program.
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It would change our non-conference schedule dramatically. Look at ISU’s OOC schedules over the years:
https://goredbirds.com/sports/football/schedule/2020
2020 - @ Illinois, vs EIU, vs Dixie
2019 - @ NIU, vs Morehead, @ EIU, vs NAU
2018 - vs Saint Xavier, vs EIU, @ Colorado St
2017 - vs Butler, @ EIU, @ NAU
2016 - vs Valparaiso, @ Northwestern, vs EIU

We also wouldn’t play a regular season game on ESPN/2/U, FS1, or CBSSN ever again.
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(05-05-2020 07:19 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 09:25 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  So for those of you against FCS, if NIU were ever to face the decision of FCS or no football, you would be in favor of NIU dropping football?

I don't think there is enough financial benefit to dropping down. FCS only has 20 less scholarships. At $25,000 per student (tuition, room & board, meal plan) x 20 student-athletes, that only saves you $500,000 a year. FCS teams usually only play 1 P5 school per season, not 2-3 P5 schools like we have been each year, so that's less revenue from P5 games. Additionally, P5 schools pay FCS schools less to play them than G5. So really, dropping down may end up costing us more money or be a break even.

The real question is like you just asked. Keep 1-A football or drop football completely. I don't know of any major university that has no football program.

Define "major university" because the Big East and Atlantic 10 is full of schools that don't have a football program (although, I don't think many of those schools are public). But, the point is recognized. I think if we dropped football, we'd have to drop out of the MAC.
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(05-05-2020 01:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  How about all FBS schools that are hurting simply stay FBS, and drop several side sports + cut payroll until the world rights itself?

I don't see the need for some dramatic shake up.

Football is the problem. It’s become a “keeping up with the Joneses” endeavor. It’s been coming for awhile now. The pandemic may just be the last straw.

NIU football costs really haven't gone up much. We play 2-3 P5 games to rake in $1.5-2 million just from those games alone. The only things that are costing us more is when P5 conferences decided they're so rich they want to pay players full cost of attendance. But it's not like we have any million dollar coaches, a fancy stadium, done any large renovations, etc. Hammock is probably in the bottom 25 in pay for FBS coaches. NIU has a great football program on a bargain budget.
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(05-05-2020 07:25 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 07:19 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 09:25 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  So for those of you against FCS, if NIU were ever to face the decision of FCS or no football, you would be in favor of NIU dropping football?

I don't think there is enough financial benefit to dropping down. FCS only has 20 less scholarships. At $25,000 per student (tuition, room & board, meal plan) x 20 student-athletes, that only saves you $500,000 a year. FCS teams usually only play 1 P5 school per season, not 2-3 P5 schools like we have been each year, so that's less revenue from P5 games. Additionally, P5 schools pay FCS schools less to play them than G5. So really, dropping down may end up costing us more money or be a break even.

The real question is like you just asked. Keep 1-A football or drop football completely. I don't know of any major university that has no football program.

Define "major university" because the Big East and Atlantic 10 is full of schools that don't have a football program (although, I don't think many of those schools are public). But, the point is recognized. I think if we dropped football, we'd have to drop out of the MAC.

Xavier, Butler, Creighton, etc. are tiny schools. I wouldn't consider them major universities. They may have good basketball programs but they have unknown football programs (not even sure if they all have football programs or not). FBS college football is the preeminent college sport. IMO, at minimum to be a major university you have to have FBS football.
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(05-05-2020 07:34 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 07:25 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 07:19 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 09:25 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  So for those of you against FCS, if NIU were ever to face the decision of FCS or no football, you would be in favor of NIU dropping football?

I don't think there is enough financial benefit to dropping down. FCS only has 20 less scholarships. At $25,000 per student (tuition, room & board, meal plan) x 20 student-athletes, that only saves you $500,000 a year. FCS teams usually only play 1 P5 school per season, not 2-3 P5 schools like we have been each year, so that's less revenue from P5 games. Additionally, P5 schools pay FCS schools less to play them than G5. So really, dropping down may end up costing us more money or be a break even.

The real question is like you just asked. Keep 1-A football or drop football completely. I don't know of any major university that has no football program.

Define "major university" because the Big East and Atlantic 10 is full of schools that don't have a football program (although, I don't think many of those schools are public). But, the point is recognized. I think if we dropped football, we'd have to drop out of the MAC.

Xavier, Butler, Creighton, etc. are tiny schools. I wouldn't consider them major universities. They may have good basketball programs but they have unknown football programs (not even sure if they all have football programs or not). FBS college football is the preeminent college sport. IMO, at minimum to be a major university you have to have FBS football.

One might argue that Harvard, Princeton, and Yale are major universities but I guess I get your point.

Actually, from a university standpoint, how does having an FBS football team even help the university? But, I get it, this is about sports and sports fan notoriety.
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(05-05-2020 07:49 PM)Big Red Wrote:  One might argue that Harvard, Princeton, and Yale are major universities but I guess I get your point.

Actually, from a university standpoint, how does having an FBS football team even help the university? But, I get it, this is about sports and sports fan notoriety.

Honestly, I've lived on west and east coast. When I've worn NIU gear I've had people come talk to me about NIU football. Otherwise, if we didn't have FBS football I doubt anyone would have heard of NIU unless they were from Illinois. If I wasn't from Illinois I highly doubt I would have ever heard of SIU, EIU, ISU, or WIU. Neither of those schools play FBS nor have they done anything in the NCAA basketball tournament in the last 10 years to garner any national attention.
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(05-05-2020 07:19 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 09:25 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  So for those of you against FCS, if NIU were ever to face the decision of FCS or no football, you would be in favor of NIU dropping football?

I don't think there is enough financial benefit to dropping down. FCS only has 20 less scholarships. At $25,000 per student (tuition, room & board, meal plan) x 20 student-athletes, that only saves you $500,000 a year. FCS teams usually only play 1 P5 school per season, not 2-3 P5 schools like we have been each year, so that's less revenue from P5 games. Additionally, P5 schools pay FCS schools less to play them than G5. So really, dropping down may end up costing us more money or be a break even.

The real question is like you just asked. Keep 1-A football or drop football completely. I don't know of any major university that has no football program.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... the Big East? DePaul, Creighton, Marquette, St. John's, Butler, Xavier, Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, Providence? UConn is joining, and they still don't know what they're going to do with their football program. Or how about Wichita State? Just for the heck of it, how many men's bball games do you think NIU would win against that crowd?

And, oh yeah, football ... highest home game attendance last season was 14,568 ... against Illinois State. And who's the 49er's qb?

One more note: tighter travel distances, more fans can go on the road, more teams recognizable to NIU alumni, students, etc., and FCS/DI requires 14 sports, not 16 (the NCAA just denied a temporary drop from 16).
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Here's a good article that illustrates how good of a bargain NIU football really is.

https://www.valuepenguin.com/2015/08/mos...ast-decade
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Want some real figures to play with? Go to https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/. Schools are required to make annual reports to Equity in Athletics of the U.S. Dept. of Education (that site). The latest year available is 2018-19.

This is the same database your post refers to, but the figures are far different from what they used due to the methodology they chose to use. For example, their calculations show $6,292,637 in expenses for football. The EA/DofEd data shows $8,386,474 for NIU football. That right there should tell you something.

For the real numbers without somebody's forumla applied, go to the site and click on "Get data for one school" so you can search for NIU. Read it and weep. You can also play with some of the other data options. Have fun.

And just for the heck of it, suppose NIU goes for a 20% cut across the board like Akron. That's $5.36 million out of a $26.8 million budget. Then there's enrollment, upon which NIU's athletic fee (already highest among public u's in Illinois) relies heavily. How much of that $9 million with athletics lose?
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(05-05-2020 07:59 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(05-05-2020 07:49 PM)Big Red Wrote:  One might argue that Harvard, Princeton, and Yale are major universities but I guess I get your point.

Actually, from a university standpoint, how does having an FBS football team even help the university? But, I get it, this is about sports and sports fan notoriety.

Honestly, I've lived on west and east coast. When I've worn NIU gear I've had people come talk to me about NIU football. Otherwise, if we didn't have FBS football I doubt anyone would have heard of NIU unless they were from Illinois. If I wasn't from Illinois I highly doubt I would have ever heard of SIU, EIU, ISU, or WIU. Neither of those schools play FBS nor have they done anything in the NCAA basketball tournament in the last 10 years to garner any national attention.

Is that the worst thing?
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It might not be, but the big problem is that if NIU drops to FCS without the whole MAC, we get a repeat of the fiasco in other sports that occurred when football went independent back in the 1980s. It took bball years to recover, and has it ever really? If football goes FCS without the MAC, where do the other sports go?

And what conference does NIU football join to guarantee games? As an independent, NIU struggled to fill each year's schedule. Then it joined the Big West to "solve" that problem, another fiasco. Then back to independence and finally back to the MAC. I cannot see football existing as an FCS independent. Was a battle as a D1A independent.
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(05-05-2020 07:26 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
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(05-05-2020 01:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  How about all FBS schools that are hurting simply stay FBS, and drop several side sports + cut payroll until the world rights itself?

I don't see the need for some dramatic shake up.

Football is the problem. It’s become a “keeping up with the Joneses” endeavor. It’s been coming for awhile now. The pandemic may just be the last straw.

NIU football costs really haven't gone up much. We play 2-3 P5 games to rake in $1.5-2 million just from those games alone. The only things that are costing us more is when P5 conferences decided they're so rich they want to pay players full cost of attendance. But it's not like we have any million dollar coaches, a fancy stadium, done any large renovations, etc. Hammock is probably in the bottom 25 in pay for FBS coaches. NIU has a great football program on a bargain budget.

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I feel the need to clarify my own stance, if for no other reason that my own thinking is getting muddled (blame it on age). I recognize the data does not point up, that there are a ton of unanswered questions, that ever since spring sports were cancelled the state of college athletics has followed one big zig-zag ... but I am not in favor of dropping to FCS. Imo, the pain of abandoning all those achievements to take a boat ride on even more uncharted waters is a gamble. I don't think NIU can stand too many more gambles.

I do, however, think that the MAC (and perhaps at least three of the other G5 conferences) will be forced into some major changes, or will make them out of a recognition of reality. The gap is too wide to reach the P5, but that doesn't mean an end to FBS football at Northern's level.

Not to forget the agreements for P5 TV deals and some other tie-ins come due in 2024-25, that serious discussion is under way for reforming the CFP, that the ESPN-MAC TV deal ends in 2027, that the Covid-19 crisis is forcing greater emphasis and development of the school's on-line technology, that live streaming opens the door to direct viewership anywhere any time, that Northern is not saddled with huge facility projects, and that future schedules could hold up pretty well since so many are in the same boat.

Imo, the discussion on this board is always good to great, but it's too early to reach for the flush handle. I think the frustration, including for me, is with the wait.
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(05-05-2020 10:29 PM)pvk75 Wrote:  I feel the need to clarify my own stance, if for no other reason that my own thinking is getting muddled (blame it on age). I recognize the data does not point up, that there are a ton of unanswered questions, that ever since spring sports were cancelled the state of college athletics has followed one big zig-zag ... but I am not in favor of dropping to FCS. Imo, the pain of abandoning all those achievements to take a boat ride on even more uncharted waters is a gamble. I don't think NIU can stand too many more gambles.

I do, however, think that the MAC (and perhaps at least three of the other G5 conferences) will be forced into some major changes, or will make them out of a recognition of reality. The gap is too wide to reach the P5, but that doesn't mean an end to FBS football at Northern's level.

Not to forget the agreements for P5 TV deals and some other tie-ins come due in 2024-25, that serious discussion is under way for reforming the CFP, that the ESPN-MAC TV deal ends in 2027, that the Covid-19 crisis is forcing greater emphasis and development of the school's on-line technology, that live streaming opens the door to direct viewership anywhere any time, that Northern is not saddled with huge facility projects, and that future schedules could hold up pretty well since so many are in the same boat.

Imo, the discussion on this board is always good to great, but it's too early to reach for the flush handle. I think the frustration, including for me, is with the wait.

I could see a scenario that eventually unfolds where the P5 conferences create a premier league of sorts and the rest of FBS creates a sub-category that is somewhere between the P5s and FCS. I think FBS needs the G5 for Bowl games and whatnot so, there's got to be some kind of concession to be made. Other than that, you KNOW the AAC would throw a shitfit and gum the whole thing up.

So, it's not going to be an easy thing to accomplish, but something will probably change.
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For the record I much prefer NIU to remain in FBS and continue to chase that New Year's Day dream. But if it came to pass that NIU absolutely had to go FCS it wouldn't be the end of the world for me. As others have noted, the top of FCS is very good and their tournament is a lot of fun. I don't think we would notice a huge difference quite honestly.

I agree with Big Red above that a super league of some sort may come to pass. Stewart Mandel had an article on this some time back where he speculated that the end game of conference realignment might be the 20 to 30-some blue bloods breaking off and forming their own closed loop league outside the auspices of the NCAA. And that might be a good thing for us because G5 and the remainder of P5 would suddenly be a lot more alike than different and would maybe work something out to their mutual benefit. Sean Frazier's playoff idea may yet come to pass, only now it would include three fourths of what is currently P5 in addition to G5.
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Imo any shakeout is going to still happen -- as many have cited on a lot of boards for quite a while -- when all those P5 tv deals come due for negotiation. But I think you're right (Big Red) about some kind of premier league for the P5, and somehow that will roll downhill to the G5. It always does. Right now, the goal is getting through the current tangle, and at the same time setting up to be in the best position possible for when that does happen. Stepping down to fcs is a last resort.

That said the P5 is pushing for open transfers with no waiting year, and will also steer any NIL the way it wants it (or can get away with). That is setting up for where the P5 wants the future to go.
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