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Sankey implies the SEC would play whether other leagues do or not
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Quote:SEC commissioner Greg Sankey hopes there will be unity among the FBS conferences when it comes time to resume college football activities, but he cautioned that it's not a necessity that everyone move forward as one.

Appearing on Jacksonville radio station 1010 XL on Thursday morning, Sankey said that unlike pro leagues, "There is room for different conferences to make different decisions."

That's the money quote.

There's a Yahoo article from Dan Wetzel that goes into a bit more detail, but it looks like Sankey wants to play whether the other leagues get on board or not.

Personally, I think the college football season will more or less go on as normal although it's hard to tell if the precise timeline will be followed. They'll have to make up for a lost Spring practice if nothing else, but I think it won't be too different.

Anyway, my question would be this...

If the SEC is playing and some other major leagues decide to balk(not that I expect that to happen) then does that speed up realignment. I think there's another thread on the main board asking the same question, but Sankey's tour seems to put a different spin on it.

My other question would be this?

What if you have large chunks of the other conferences that balk...but not all of them?

Could we see some sort of temporary alignment in order for major programs to fill out schedules? I mean, we have to say that some schools need a full season much more than others within the same conference...
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(05-01-2020 06:10 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  From ESPN:


Quote:SEC commissioner Greg Sankey hopes there will be unity among the FBS conferences when it comes time to resume college football activities, but he cautioned that it's not a necessity that everyone move forward as one.

Appearing on Jacksonville radio station 1010 XL on Thursday morning, Sankey said that unlike pro leagues, "There is room for different conferences to make different decisions."

That's the money quote.

There's a Yahoo article from Dan Wetzel that goes into a bit more detail, but it looks like Sankey wants to play whether the other leagues get on board or not.

Personally, I think the college football season will more or less go on as normal although it's hard to tell if the precise timeline will be followed. They'll have to make up for a lost Spring practice if nothing else, but I think it won't be too different.

Anyway, my question would be this...

If the SEC is playing and some other major leagues decide to balk(not that I expect that to happen) then does that speed up realignment. I think there's another thread on the main board asking the same question, but Sankey's tour seems to put a different spin on it.

My other question would be this?

What if you have large chunks of the other conferences that balk...but not all of them?

Could we see some sort of temporary alignment in order for major programs to fill out schedules? I mean, we have to say that some schools need a full season much more than others within the same conference...
You mean could this be the year that Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, Florida State, Clemson, Oklahoma and Texas all play ball in the SEC? That would be a fascinating trivia question in about 50 years.
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This scenario is a reminder of why the heck you still have conferences. What would be different than pro leagues if every conference had to be in lock-step? I don't see many scenarios where the SEC and Big 12 don't play in as normal fashion as soon as possible. I am really curious to see how this impacts the ACC. Because of medical, cultural, and behavioral variations among the schools and their locales, it could be quite tenuous for the presidents of Florida State and Boston College to come to terms on how to handle football. Secondarily, I am curious to see how the Arizona schools handle things since they are not bound by the left coast agreements that are binding all the other PAC states except Utah together on COVID-19 related decisions. This may be an opportunity for the Big 12 to actually get to 12 again, and getting both of those schools would be fantastic additions, especially for the Texas and Oklahoma schools.
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(05-01-2020 07:37 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  This scenario is a reminder of why the heck you still have conferences. What would be different than pro leagues if every conference had to be in lock-step? I don't see many scenarios where the SEC and Big 12 don't play in as normal fashion as soon as possible. I am really curious to see how this impacts the ACC. Because of medical, cultural, and behavioral variations among the schools and their locales, it could be quite tenuous for the presidents of Florida State and Boston College to come to terms on how to handle football. Secondarily, I am curious to see how the Arizona schools handle things since they are not bound by the left coast agreements that are binding all the other PAC states except Utah together on COVID-19 related decisions. This may be an opportunity for the Big 12 to actually get to 12 again, and getting both of those schools would be fantastic additions, especially for the Texas and Oklahoma schools.

It seems to me to the perfect time to challenge the GOR's. They don't cover the right of a conference to deny a school a season's worth of media revenue, concessions, donations, and even tuition. I doubt there is a court in the country that would give them the authority to fiscally damage a state institution by a blanket decision issued by an unelected authority.

IMO if the ACC doesn't play this year it is the perfect opportunity for Florida State and Clemson to bow out and with them any others like Virginia Tech or N.C. State (which would have a harder time doing so) to do it as well.

In many ways the cancellation of a season opens up for debate the efficacy of contracts of any kind.

So you pose an interesting question.
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Interesting question, but probably unrealistic. It makes sense that different conferences can do different things. The SEC states are predominantly states with lower population density that should be able to open sooner. However, schools like Florida in a higher population state and Vandy in a high population city (yes, Knoxville is big too) would have a harder time being ready.

Maybe a 8-10 team SEC with ready schools makes more sense.
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(05-02-2020 07:17 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting question, but probably unrealistic. It makes sense that different conferences can do different things. The SEC states are predominantly states with lower population density that should be able to open sooner. However, schools like Florida in a higher population state and Vandy in a high population city (yes, Knoxville is big too) would have a harder time being ready.

Maybe a 8-10 team SEC with ready schools makes more sense.

Unrealistic how? The question is can a conference commissioner order a state school funded by taxpayers, appropriated by the State legislature, to lose revenue which in the SEC would be 132 million average per year per school? I don't think legally they can. And can a school which pledges its services to a contract be held to that contract when ordered by an entity not to comply on a random year of the remaining contract and which comes at tremendous expense to the school for which said conference will not compensate them, nor the contracted party (the network) remunerate them?

This is hardly a shaky set of questions and when the losses are in the 100 plus million range certainly worth the attorney's fees.

This may be the perfect setting for schools to move if their contract is not being fulfilled.

Now because a bunch of limp noodle academic administrators don't like making controversial decisions and long ago leaned to do nothing when faced with a real crisis it is probable that the presidents at Florida State and Clemson will simply do nothing. But anyone with a legal mind knows that this is uncharted waters which are easily worth testing. I seriously doubt any event cancellation insurance can come remotely close to reimbursing a season.

So if your cross state rival is playing football and earning money which will keep hundreds employed while your school is sucking up the loss and will be sorely disadvantaged moving forward, then please carefully explain to me why they have no legal remedy for the damages of a bureaucrats decision telling them they can't play?

At the very least Clemson and Florida State should seek an injunction to play football with the SEC for the 2020-1 season since obviously some of the non conference schedule will be open due to schools not playing.

Social distancing and crowd size is another matter. What Sankey is pondering here are his current TV contracts and the fact that anyone who plays football this fall will be adopted very positively by the American football viewer who otherwise is feeling very hopeless and put upon.

The worst is yet to come. Even if the worst of this pandemic is over, which it isn't as a full resurgence is expected when Fall hits, the economic cascade has not yet begun. Job losses are going to be protracted in recovery. Economic pain is going to be severe, and before it is over crime motivated by need is going to be prevalent. The economic damage to the First Quarter of the year isn't gong to be fully felt until the 4th Quarter and that's because of how finances work and because of how the need of so many is going to outweigh most economic safety nets which presently are keeping individuals' heads above water.

Football will be the great distraction from economic pain by the Fall. And because our idiot politicians took bribes from big business to locate in China for cheap labor and because one large chunk of that was Big Pharma then the shortages of maintenance drugs many need to stave off heart attack and stroke, or diabetics need to maintain blood sugar levels, or those suffering from the chronic nerve pain of trauma injury need to function daily are going to be tied up in trade and reparations disputes with China.

I have one CMO who is a dear friend who called to warn me about my blood pressure meds being in short supply by the 4th Quarter. The bad thing is the way insurance is set up I can't buy resupply until there is less than a week worth of pills remaining.

Young people have not one clue what kind of crap is going to hit the fan late this year because of what has happened from March through June.

So I say all of this to make this point about a much less serious matter, but real damages have been created not only by the virus but by those making decisions pertaining to our lives because of it, and some of those decisions were politically motivated.

The Chinese, a their war college in Beijing, have been plotting an event to take the economies of Western Europe and the U.S. since the early '90's. It was a 5 part plan the first step of which was to entice wealthy American companies to build up their infrastructure by getting them to build factories in China in exchange for cheap labor. The second part of that plan was to use a trade imbalance to drive up U.S. debt and give China some leverage by holding it through the purchase of Treasury bonds. The third part was to create an infrastructure dependency of the U.S. upon China for all kinds of goods necessary for the conduct of normal life (pharmaceuticals, materials required in construction, parts necessary for military machine repair, etc). Step 4 which is where we are now was to create a Black Swan event that would tank the economies, create job loss, and then for China to use its ability for resupply to either drive the American debt higher, or to use crumbling infrastructure and high American debt as an excuse to push to replace the American dollar as the world reserve currency with the renminbi which when backed by 10% gold which China has been buying in quantity since the 90's would make China the center of world trade and therefore the preeminent military power. Step 5 use China's military strength to genocide all races other than Chinese including the genocide of all non pure Chinese.

You see they adopted Nazi Germany's racial purity codes in the 60's under Mao. China is far more fascist than they are communist and human rights don't mean a damned thing to them.

And for the record they haven't fired all of their economic shots at us yet. The could trigger another massive stock sell off if they nationalize the corporate factories that located in China thereby depriving the companies that built them of physical assets, and of product, and by then competing with those companies by using their confiscated plants against them to make even cheaper competitive product.

So the world of hurt coming down on all of us is dangling from a rapidly fraying rope which is keeping it from crashing upon our heads at the moment, but that rope isn't going to hold.

The sooner we get back to a normal business the less destructive it will be. And sport no matter what any national leaders will say publicly none of this was a damned accident. Accidents don't happen when the spread of a virus is covered for 60 days in a period in history where international air travel happens multiple times a day. The accidental release mantra is nothing more than a cover and the virus was manipulated because scientists can't explain the bond in its structure which combined 2 different corona viruses.

So at stake for Clemson and Florida State or any school out there isn't just the playing of a damned football game, but rather the ability of students to pay tuition in the midst of what might likely be another great depression, and the ability of a state legislature stripped of tax based revenue to fund the salaries of administration and staff at those schools, and of their greatest advertising arm, athletics, to be able to even be seen on the tube to spur the interest of the young to attend their campuses, and not lost in all of this has been the ease with which some, not all, of a college education can be had online without visiting or participating in campus life whatsoever.

So when institutes are faced with possible annihilation you better damn well believe that any such remedy is not only realistic, but likely essential.
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(05-02-2020 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:17 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting question, but probably unrealistic. It makes sense that different conferences can do different things. The SEC states are predominantly states with lower population density that should be able to open sooner. However, schools like Florida in a higher population state and Vandy in a high population city (yes, Knoxville is big too) would have a harder time being ready.

Maybe a 8-10 team SEC with ready schools makes more sense.

Unrealistic how? The question is can a conference commissioner order a state school funded by taxpayers, appropriated by the State legislature, to lose revenue which in the SEC would be 132 million average per year per school? I don't think legally they can. And can a school which pledges its services to a contract be held to that contract when ordered by an entity not to comply on a random year of the remaining contract and which comes at tremendous expense to the school for which said conference will not compensate them, nor the contracted party (the network) remunerate them?

This is hardly a shaky set of questions and when the losses are in the 100 plus million range certainly worth the attorney's fees.

This may be the perfect setting for schools to move if their contract is not being fulfilled.

Now because a bunch of limp noodle academic administrators don't like making controversial decisions and long ago leaned to do nothing when faced with a real crisis it is probable that the presidents at Florida State and Clemson will simply do nothing. But anyone with a legal mind knows that this is uncharted waters which are easily worth testing. I seriously doubt any event cancellation insurance can come remotely close to reimbursing a season.

So if your cross state rival is playing football and earning money which will keep hundreds employed while your school is sucking up the loss and will be sorely disadvantaged moving forward, then please carefully explain to me why they have no legal remedy for the damages of a bureaucrats decision telling them they can't play?

At the very least Clemson and Florida State should seek an injunction to play football with the SEC for the 2020-1 season since obviously some of the non conference schedule will be open due to schools not playing.

Social distancing and crowd size is another matter. What Sankey is pondering here are his current TV contracts and the fact that anyone who plays football this fall will be adopted very positively by the American football viewer who otherwise is feeling very hopeless and put upon.

The worst is yet to come. Even if the worst of this pandemic is over, which it isn't as a full resurgence is expected when Fall hits, the economic cascade has not yet begun. Job losses are going to be protracted in recovery. Economic pain is going to be severe, and before it is over crime motivated by need is going to be prevalent. The economic damage to the First Quarter of the year isn't gong to be fully felt until the 4th Quarter and that's because of how finances work and because of how the need of so many is going to outweigh most economic safety nets which presently are keeping individuals' heads above water.

Football will be the great distraction from economic pain by the Fall. And because our idiot politicians took bribes from big business to locate in China for cheap labor and because one large chunk of that was Big Pharma then the shortages of maintenance drugs many need to stave off heart attack and stroke, or diabetics need to maintain blood sugar levels, or those suffering from the chronic nerve pain of trauma injury need to function daily are going to be tied up in trade and reparations disputes with China.

I have one CMO who is a dear friend who called to warn me about my blood pressure meds being in short supply by the 4th Quarter. The bad thing is the way insurance is set up I can't buy resupply until there is less than a week worth of pills remaining.

Young people have not one clue what kind of crap is going to hit the fan late this year because of what has happened from March through June.

So I say all of this to make this point about a much less serious matter, but real damages have been created not only by the virus but by those making decisions pertaining to our lives because of it, and some of those decisions were politically motivated.

The Chinese, a their war college in Beijing, have been plotting an event to take the economies of Western Europe and the U.S. since the early '90's. It was a 5 part plan the first step of which was to entice wealthy American companies to build up their infrastructure by getting them to build factories in China in exchange for cheap labor. The second part of that plan was to use a trade imbalance to drive up U.S. debt and give China some leverage by holding it through the purchase of Treasury bonds. The third part was to create an infrastructure dependency of the U.S. upon China for all kinds of goods necessary for the conduct of normal life (pharmaceuticals, materials required in construction, parts necessary for military machine repair, etc). Step 4 which is where we are now was to create a Black Swan event that would tank the economies, create job loss, and then for China to use its ability for resupply to either drive the American debt higher, or to use crumbling infrastructure and high American debt as an excuse to push to replace the American dollar as the world reserve currency with the renminbi which when backed by 10% gold which China has been buying in quantity since the 90's would make China the center of world trade and therefore the preeminent military power. Step 5 use China's military strength to genocide all races other than Chinese including the genocide of all non pure Chinese.

You see they adopted Nazi Germany's racial purity codes in the 60's under Mao. China is far more fascist than they are communist and human rights don't mean a damned thing to them.

And for the record they haven't fired all of their economic shots at us yet. The could trigger another massive stock sell off if they nationalize the corporate factories that located in China thereby depriving the companies that built them of physical assets, and of product, and by then competing with those companies by using their confiscated plants against them to make even cheaper competitive product.

So the world of hurt coming down on all of us is dangling from a rapidly fraying rope which is keeping it from crashing upon our heads at the moment, but that rope isn't going to hold.

The sooner we get back to a normal business the less destructive it will be. And sport no matter what any national leaders will say publicly none of this was a damned accident. Accidents don't happen when the spread of a virus is covered for 60 days in a period in history where international air travel happens multiple times a day. The accidental release mantra is nothing more than a cover and the virus was manipulated because scientists can't explain the bond in its structure which combined 2 different corona viruses.

So at stake for Clemson and Florida State or any school out there isn't just the playing of a damned football game, but rather the ability of students to pay tuition in the midst of what might likely be another great depression, and the ability of a state legislature stripped of tax based revenue to fund the salaries of administration and staff at those schools, and of their greatest advertising arm, athletics, to be able to even be seen on the tube to spur the interest of the young to attend their campuses, and not lost in all of this has been the ease with which some, not all, of a college education can be had online without visiting or participating in campus life whatsoever.

So when institutes are faced with possible annihilation you better damn well believe that any such remedy is not only realistic, but likely essential.

The economic motivation for playing is one reason I think we'll see the season go off more or less as normal. That may sound cynical to some, but economic needs are not trivial in the grand scheme of things...as you have pointed out.

Anyway, I think we could end up with fewer games possibly although we could end up with schools like Florida State and Clemson playing mostly SEC schools. It would be interesting.
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Nobody knows yet. States can reopen, then revert to banning large crowds in sports venues, concerts, etc.
Every state may not be on the same page in terms of policy, even in the southeastern states.
One consideration may be to limit stadium attendance to students, requiring them to sit 6 feet apart. That would be difficult to enforce and will create new issues, including financial, and complaints from big donors/alumni.

It will come down to making a plan and hope for the best.
Testing will have to be a part of it.
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(05-02-2020 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-02-2020 07:17 AM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  Interesting question, but probably unrealistic. It makes sense that different conferences can do different things. The SEC states are predominantly states with lower population density that should be able to open sooner. However, schools like Florida in a higher population state and Vandy in a high population city (yes, Knoxville is big too) would have a harder time being ready.

Maybe a 8-10 team SEC with ready schools makes more sense.

Unrealistic how? The question is can a conference commissioner order a state school funded by taxpayers, appropriated by the State legislature, to lose revenue which in the SEC would be 132 million average per year per school? I don't think legally they can. And can a school which pledges its services to a contract be held to that contract when ordered by an entity not to comply on a random year of the remaining contract and which comes at tremendous expense to the school for which said conference will not compensate them, nor the contracted party (the network) remunerate them?

This is hardly a shaky set of questions and when the losses are in the 100 plus million range certainly worth the attorney's fees.

This may be the perfect setting for schools to move if their contract is not being fulfilled.

Now because a bunch of limp noodle academic administrators don't like making controversial decisions and long ago leaned to do nothing when faced with a real crisis it is probable that the presidents at Florida State and Clemson will simply do nothing. But anyone with a legal mind knows that this is uncharted waters which are easily worth testing. I seriously doubt any event cancellation insurance can come remotely close to reimbursing a season.

So if your cross state rival is playing football and earning money which will keep hundreds employed while your school is sucking up the loss and will be sorely disadvantaged moving forward, then please carefully explain to me why they have no legal remedy for the damages of a bureaucrats decision telling them they can't play?

At the very least Clemson and Florida State should seek an injunction to play football with the SEC for the 2020-1 season since obviously some of the non conference schedule will be open due to schools not playing.

Social distancing and crowd size is another matter. What Sankey is pondering here are his current TV contracts and the fact that anyone who plays football this fall will be adopted very positively by the American football viewer who otherwise is feeling very hopeless and put upon.

The worst is yet to come. Even if the worst of this pandemic is over, which it isn't as a full resurgence is expected when Fall hits, the economic cascade has not yet begun. Job losses are going to be protracted in recovery. Economic pain is going to be severe, and before it is over crime motivated by need is going to be prevalent. The economic damage to the First Quarter of the year isn't gong to be fully felt until the 4th Quarter and that's because of how finances work and because of how the need of so many is going to outweigh most economic safety nets which presently are keeping individuals' heads above water.

Football will be the great distraction from economic pain by the Fall. And because our idiot politicians took bribes from big business to locate in China for cheap labor and because one large chunk of that was Big Pharma then the shortages of maintenance drugs many need to stave off heart attack and stroke, or diabetics need to maintain blood sugar levels, or those suffering from the chronic nerve pain of trauma injury need to function daily are going to be tied up in trade and reparations disputes with China.

I have one CMO who is a dear friend who called to warn me about my blood pressure meds being in short supply by the 4th Quarter. The bad thing is the way insurance is set up I can't buy resupply until there is less than a week worth of pills remaining.

Young people have not one clue what kind of crap is going to hit the fan late this year because of what has happened from March through June.

So I say all of this to make this point about a much less serious matter, but real damages have been created not only by the virus but by those making decisions pertaining to our lives because of it, and some of those decisions were politically motivated.

The Chinese, a their war college in Beijing, have been plotting an event to take the economies of Western Europe and the U.S. since the early '90's. It was a 5 part plan the first step of which was to entice wealthy American companies to build up their infrastructure by getting them to build factories in China in exchange for cheap labor. The second part of that plan was to use a trade imbalance to drive up U.S. debt and give China some leverage by holding it through the purchase of Treasury bonds. The third part was to create an infrastructure dependency of the U.S. upon China for all kinds of goods necessary for the conduct of normal life (pharmaceuticals, materials required in construction, parts necessary for military machine repair, etc). Step 4 which is where we are now was to create a Black Swan event that would tank the economies, create job loss, and then for China to use its ability for resupply to either drive the American debt higher, or to use crumbling infrastructure and high American debt as an excuse to push to replace the American dollar as the world reserve currency with the renminbi which when backed by 10% gold which China has been buying in quantity since the 90's would make China the center of world trade and therefore the preeminent military power. Step 5 use China's military strength to genocide all races other than Chinese including the genocide of all non pure Chinese.

You see they adopted Nazi Germany's racial purity codes in the 60's under Mao. China is far more fascist than they are communist and human rights don't mean a damned thing to them.

And for the record they haven't fired all of their economic shots at us yet. The could trigger another massive stock sell off if they nationalize the corporate factories that located in China thereby depriving the companies that built them of physical assets, and of product, and by then competing with those companies by using their confiscated plants against them to make even cheaper competitive product.

So the world of hurt coming down on all of us is dangling from a rapidly fraying rope which is keeping it from crashing upon our heads at the moment, but that rope isn't going to hold.

The sooner we get back to a normal business the less destructive it will be. And sport no matter what any national leaders will say publicly none of this was a damned accident. Accidents don't happen when the spread of a virus is covered for 60 days in a period in history where international air travel happens multiple times a day. The accidental release mantra is nothing more than a cover and the virus was manipulated because scientists can't explain the bond in its structure which combined 2 different corona viruses.

So at stake for Clemson and Florida State or any school out there isn't just the playing of a damned football game, but rather the ability of students to pay tuition in the midst of what might likely be another great depression, and the ability of a state legislature stripped of tax based revenue to fund the salaries of administration and staff at those schools, and of their greatest advertising arm, athletics, to be able to even be seen on the tube to spur the interest of the young to attend their campuses, and not lost in all of this has been the ease with which some, not all, of a college education can be had online without visiting or participating in campus life whatsoever.

So when institutes are faced with possible annihilation you better damn well believe that any such remedy is not only realistic, but likely essential.
So to get college football back, hope for covid-19 vaccines and China to not ethnically cleanse the planet. Got it. COGS

So does anyone think any SEC President would prohibit their school from playing football if other schools and conferences remain idle?

As a hog fan, having Michigan drop out of it’s series with us was disappointing. Having Covid-19 trying to take away our game at Notre Dame this fall, would be a bigger kick to the gonads than our recent pitiful performances. The idea of replacing our nonconference games with SEC or other P5 guests to join the conference schedule for that season might take the sting out of that loss.
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A few thoughts:

1) The SEC is set up well if we must go it alone. With 14 teams, we could play a round robin if there were no bowl games and still hit 13 total games. No need for a CCG, but we could hold one with the top two teams if desired. It would be a one-time affair, but it could be a unique experience if the Florida State's of the world find it untenable to break ranks and play with the SEC for a year.

2) I am a bit concerned about the University of Kentucky in all of this. I am a Tennessean with paternal roots in the Commonwealth, so I have the luxury of being a casual observer. Politically, the Commonwealth is leaning more into the Midwestern mindset of their neighbors, especially Ohio. The governor has been quite snarky toward Tennessee's leadership these last couple of months about the COVID-19 response. He even "strongly encouraged" Kentuckians to not cross over into Tennessee or entertaining Tennesseans in Kentucky. It felt like the relationship between Philip Fulmer and the state of Alabama! Kentucky is one institution that I could see bucking the SEC if they feel it is too early.

3) I would not worry about UT or Vandy delaying things. Like other private schools, Vandy needs to get their students on campus ASAP to justify their massive tuitions. Our current leadership is very business friendly (Governor Lee founded and ran a reputable service outfit called Lee Company), and the new president of UT-Knoxville is of the same ilk. Also, having the Titans in town will help speed things up. It would be hard for Vandy to delay if the Titans are playing a few miles down the road. I think we can safely assume that the NFL will be at the leading edge of getting back on the field.
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RE: Sankey implies the SEC would play whether other leagues do or not
(05-03-2020 10:28 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  A few thoughts:

1) The SEC is set up well if we must go it alone. With 14 teams, we could play a round robin if there were no bowl games and still hit 13 total games. No need for a CCG, but we could hold one with the top two teams if desired. It would be a one-time affair, but it could be a unique experience if the Florida State's of the world find it untenable to break ranks and play with the SEC for a year.

2) I am a bit concerned about the University of Kentucky in all of this. I am a Tennessean with paternal roots in the Commonwealth, so I have the luxury of being a casual observer. Politically, the Commonwealth is leaning more into the Midwestern mindset of their neighbors, especially Ohio. The governor has been quite snarky toward Tennessee's leadership these last couple of months about the COVID-19 response. He even "strongly encouraged" Kentuckians to not cross over into Tennessee or entertaining Tennesseans in Kentucky. It felt like the relationship between Philip Fulmer and the state of Alabama! Kentucky is one institution that I could see bucking the SEC if they feel it is too early.

3) I would not worry about UT or Vandy delaying things. Like other private schools, Vandy needs to get their students on campus ASAP to justify their massive tuitions. Our current leadership is very business friendly (Governor Lee founded and ran a reputable service outfit called Lee Company), and the new president of UT-Knoxville is of the same ilk. Also, having the Titans in town will help speed things up. It would be hard for Vandy to delay if the Titans are playing a few miles down the road. I think we can safely assume that the NFL will be at the leading edge of getting back on the field.

I hadn't considered expanding the league schedule. That's another interesting thought.

Whether other schools joined in with us or not, why not fill the schedule out with conference mates? That would be fun.

Our first game is in DFW against USC. I would imagine USC would play whether the other PAC 12 schools do or not, but I guess we'll see. The bigger question at that point may be whether we do it at a neutral site.
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RE: Sankey implies the SEC would play whether other leagues do or not
With 14 schools, each school plays a 12-game conference schedule and doesn’t play 1 school. What school would each school not play?

Texas A&M : Tennessee
Arkansas : Georgia
LSU : South Carolina
Mississippi : Kentucky
Mississippi St : Florida
Alabama : Missouri
Auburn : Vanderbilt
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RE: Sankey implies the SEC would play whether other leagues do or not
(05-03-2020 05:46 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With 14 schools, each school plays a 12-game conference schedule and doesn’t play 1 school. What school would each school not play?

Texas A&M : Tennessee
Arkansas : Georgia
LSU : South Carolina
Mississippi : Kentucky
Mississippi St : Florida
Alabama : Missouri
Auburn : Vanderbilt

My thought is that if we only play a round-robin SEC, something major has happened that would likely mean no bowls, either. That is why I thought 13 because that would serve as a replacement for no bowls. Of course, it would end up being whatever ESPN was willing to $$$. I think your skip school schedule looks good, though. I can't imagine any of those schools losing sleep over that arrangement.
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RE: Sankey implies the SEC would play whether other leagues do or not
(05-03-2020 06:37 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  
(05-03-2020 05:46 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  With 14 schools, each school plays a 12-game conference schedule and doesn’t play 1 school. What school would each school not play?

Texas A&M : Tennessee
Arkansas : Georgia
LSU : South Carolina
Mississippi : Kentucky
Mississippi St : Florida
Alabama : Missouri
Auburn : Vanderbilt

My thought is that if we only play a round-robin SEC, something major has happened that would likely mean no bowls, either. That is why I thought 13 because that would serve as a replacement for no bowls. Of course, it would end up being whatever ESPN was willing to $$$. I think your skip school schedule looks good, though. I can't imagine any of those schools losing sleep over that arrangement.

If the sec plays this year, expect others to also try and play. That means the sec schools would be contractually obligates to play their scheduled nonconference games or buy out of them. Might not get a true 12 or 13 game round robin, but we can fill in the gaps substantially
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