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(05-01-2020 07:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
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(05-01-2020 04:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I live in Michigan. This is not a good situation.

Her emergency powers were set to expire at midnight unless Congress gave her more. They offered 15 days, plus some other concessions. She told them to pound sand, wanting full authority, so they chose not to extend her emergency power & that going forward things would work as you learn them in school - Congress writes the bills, and she can veto if she doesn't like them

She said 'screw that', and she gave herself emergency powers for 30 more days via executive order, denying any Congressional say in it.

Congress is saying that the Michigan constitution forbids her from giving herself emergency powers without having it go through Congress first. They said they're suing but I have no idea if they actually are & the timeliness of this. If you hear that they're suing the contents of her executive orders, that's incorrect. they're suing her self-granted emergency powers.

She shows little intention of opening up, only saying BS like (and this is verbatim) 'people want the government to take care of them', 'going to be a slow process', 'will last months, into the fall', etc.

Michigan has a severe stay-at-home order & it's expected she's going to extend that with her unconstitutional emergency powers.

Bottom line: The economic devastation is quickening. I think federal government is going to have to have a say sooner than later, as time marches on & governors get so slow on opening up they're not moving like Michigan's.

Does MI law allow the Govt to declare a state of emergency and grant the office emergency powers?
MI Law allows the governor to declare a state of emergency with emergency powers that lasts for 30 days. When 30 days are up, it needs to be extended by both the House & the Senate, else it's over. The House refused.

Thank you for responding. I'm very concerned about this. I know many in the state are. Even people who vote Blue have expressed their frustration to me.

If that's the law then this should be open and shut, even for a 4 - 3 MI Supreme Court

I understand and appreciate the need for public safety, but we must also look at precedent. Letting governors do whatever they want for however long they want goes against the fundamental core of our system of checks and balances
Lower judge sides w/ Gretchen -> ruled in favor of an older law (that doesn't require the 28 day extension) as the one Gretchen's using (although the older law gives the governor less power)

Hopefully going to the Michigan Supreme Court & fast.
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I don't know if it's because y'all are in Red states or are fine w/ governors giving themselves emergency powers, but I'd have thought there'd be more threads on the Constitutional Crisis going on.

(05-19-2020 09:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 05:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Well Michigan going to Biden in November: Big Gretch guaranteeing everyone gets an application in the mail to mail-in vote.

Seems way too early to be guaranteeing mail-in voting, & shouldn't a radical change of how Michigan does its voting go thru the legislative branch first?

That damn judge overseeing the lawsuit needs to rule ASAP so we can leave 1-person rule behind in the dust.

More bad news for Michigan: Michigan United for Liberty - a group organizing the protests - also sued for the governor for her self-granted emergency powers. The lower court judge ruled against them: declaring "This is an unpredictable, dangerous emergency or disaster situation. A disaster or emergency is a dynamic, unpredictable situation fraught with complexity. It is unreasonable to expect demanding legislative standards be incorporated into such a demanding scenario."

Big Gretch is apparently having that ruling be an item of consideration for the judge overseeing the legislative branch lawsuit against her.

Rough day for Michigan. :(
Michigan United for Liberty filed their appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court today
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(05-21-2020 04:17 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 07:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 07:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 06:31 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 04:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I live in Michigan. This is not a good situation.

Her emergency powers were set to expire at midnight unless Congress gave her more. They offered 15 days, plus some other concessions. She told them to pound sand, wanting full authority, so they chose not to extend her emergency power & that going forward things would work as you learn them in school - Congress writes the bills, and she can veto if she doesn't like them

She said 'screw that', and she gave herself emergency powers for 30 more days via executive order, denying any Congressional say in it.

Congress is saying that the Michigan constitution forbids her from giving herself emergency powers without having it go through Congress first. They said they're suing but I have no idea if they actually are & the timeliness of this. If you hear that they're suing the contents of her executive orders, that's incorrect. they're suing her self-granted emergency powers.

She shows little intention of opening up, only saying BS like (and this is verbatim) 'people want the government to take care of them', 'going to be a slow process', 'will last months, into the fall', etc.

Michigan has a severe stay-at-home order & it's expected she's going to extend that with her unconstitutional emergency powers.

Bottom line: The economic devastation is quickening. I think federal government is going to have to have a say sooner than later, as time marches on & governors get so slow on opening up they're not moving like Michigan's.

Does MI law allow the Govt to declare a state of emergency and grant the office emergency powers?
MI Law allows the governor to declare a state of emergency with emergency powers that lasts for 30 days. When 30 days are up, it needs to be extended by both the House & the Senate, else it's over. The House refused.

Thank you for responding. I'm very concerned about this. I know many in the state are. Even people who vote Blue have expressed their frustration to me.

If that's the law then this should be open and shut, even for a 4 - 3 MI Supreme Court

I understand and appreciate the need for public safety, but we must also look at precedent. Letting governors do whatever they want for however long they want goes against the fundamental core of our system of checks and balances
Lower judge sides w/ Gretchen -> ruled in favor of an older law (that doesn't require the 28 day extension) as the one Gretchen's using (although the older law gives the governor less power)

Hopefully going to the Michigan Supreme Court & fast.

A GOP rep said while the headlines will say Gretchen Won, there were some victories:
1.) The court ruled she did break the more recent Act that requires legislature approval
2.) The court agreed the legislature has a right to sue the governor. The GOP rep says "This may sound minor, but is actually really important."
3.) The court ruled the older act (that doesn't require legislature approval) is allowed, but this is where there's still disagreement. The legislature believes that this is a riot act and can only be used for local emergencies. "The later act was specifically created to allow broader powers, under the condition the governor gets approval at the end of 28 days."

They are appealing.
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(05-21-2020 03:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump visiting Michigan today. A Ford factory that's (probably) all union workers who vote Democrat.

Not sure how his meeting w/ the Ford executives went, but the local Detroit media drilling him about not wearing a mask & if the country has enough ventilators & masks if the crisis lasts years.

What a waste of his time.

Michigan AG suing Trump & going after Ford for not making him wear a mask.

Trump in a Tweet warns the AG not to threaten Ford too much they want to leave Michigan
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These Mask Wearers have lost their collective minds.
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(05-22-2020 05:35 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/tsspangler/status/12...2986338304

NO WOMAN NO CRY

My stomach just dropped to the pit.

Talk about a Friday night bomb.

Wow.

Ugh.

No words.
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I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA
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(05-22-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA

Do things generally still have to go thru the legislature during the "crisis" there?
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I've been thinking Michigan will go Blue for 2020 election for a while now, but today I'm starting to question it:

People are riled up here about Big Gretch. If they show up in November, Biden's toast here.

It depends on who Biden's VP is tho. I believe he wants a woman of color & that could get a huge percent of the black vote out, which would basically nullify those taking out their frustration towards Gretchen.

Ugh.....I guess I'm gonna stick w/ that's what happens.
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(05-22-2020 07:46 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA

Do things generally still have to go thru the legislature during the "crisis" there?

Cooper has had pretty much full control since he issued his emergency order in late March. Like most states he had 30 days of emergency control. After that he extended it another 2 weeks and implemented his 3 phase plan to reopen.

We are on phase 2 now which will supposedly last another month. And while there was a big protest at the end of April in order to pressure to fully reopen right away, there hasnt been that much pushback. Of course, at least in my county, enforcement for this stuff hasnt been very militant.
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