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(05-01-2020 04:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I live in Michigan. This is not a good situation.

Her emergency powers were set to expire at midnight unless Congress gave her more. They offered 15 days, plus some other concessions. She told them to pound sand, wanting full authority, so they chose not to extend her emergency power & that going forward things would work as you learn them in school - Congress writes the bills, and she can veto if she doesn't like them

She said 'screw that', and she gave herself emergency powers for 30 more days via executive order, denying any Congressional say in it.

Congress is saying that the Michigan constitution forbids her from giving herself emergency powers without having it go through Congress first. They said they're suing but I have no idea if they actually are & the timeliness of this. If you hear that they're suing the contents of her executive orders, that's incorrect. they're suing her self-granted emergency powers.

She shows little intention of opening up, only saying BS like (and this is verbatim) 'people want the government to take care of them', 'going to be a slow process', 'will last months, into the fall', etc.

Michigan has a severe stay-at-home order & it's expected she's going to extend that with her unconstitutional emergency powers.

Bottom line: The economic devastation is quickening. I think federal government is going to have to have a say sooner than later, as time marches on & governors get so slow on opening up they're not moving like Michigan's.

Does MI law allow the Govt to declare a state of emergency and grant the office emergency powers?
MI Law allows the governor to declare a state of emergency with emergency powers that lasts for 30 days. When 30 days are up, it needs to be extended by both the House & the Senate, else it's over. The House refused.

Thank you for responding. I'm very concerned about this. I know many in the state are. Even people who vote Blue have expressed their frustration to me.

If that's the law then this should be open and shut, even for a 4 - 3 MI Supreme Court

I understand and appreciate the need for public safety, but we must also look at precedent. Letting governors do whatever they want for however long they want goes against the fundamental core of our system of checks and balances
Lower judge sides w/ Gretchen -> ruled in favor of an older law (that doesn't require the 28 day extension) as the one Gretchen's using (although the older law gives the governor less power)

Hopefully going to the Michigan Supreme Court & fast.
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I don't know if it's because y'all are in Red states or are fine w/ governors giving themselves emergency powers, but I'd have thought there'd be more threads on the Constitutional Crisis going on.

(05-19-2020 09:38 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-19-2020 05:22 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Well Michigan going to Biden in November: Big Gretch guaranteeing everyone gets an application in the mail to mail-in vote.

Seems way too early to be guaranteeing mail-in voting, & shouldn't a radical change of how Michigan does its voting go thru the legislative branch first?

That damn judge overseeing the lawsuit needs to rule ASAP so we can leave 1-person rule behind in the dust.

More bad news for Michigan: Michigan United for Liberty - a group organizing the protests - also sued for the governor for her self-granted emergency powers. The lower court judge ruled against them: declaring "This is an unpredictable, dangerous emergency or disaster situation. A disaster or emergency is a dynamic, unpredictable situation fraught with complexity. It is unreasonable to expect demanding legislative standards be incorporated into such a demanding scenario."

Big Gretch is apparently having that ruling be an item of consideration for the judge overseeing the legislative branch lawsuit against her.

Rough day for Michigan. :(
Michigan United for Liberty filed their appeal to the Michigan Supreme Court today
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(05-21-2020 04:17 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 07:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 07:42 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 06:31 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 04:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I live in Michigan. This is not a good situation.

Her emergency powers were set to expire at midnight unless Congress gave her more. They offered 15 days, plus some other concessions. She told them to pound sand, wanting full authority, so they chose not to extend her emergency power & that going forward things would work as you learn them in school - Congress writes the bills, and she can veto if she doesn't like them

She said 'screw that', and she gave herself emergency powers for 30 more days via executive order, denying any Congressional say in it.

Congress is saying that the Michigan constitution forbids her from giving herself emergency powers without having it go through Congress first. They said they're suing but I have no idea if they actually are & the timeliness of this. If you hear that they're suing the contents of her executive orders, that's incorrect. they're suing her self-granted emergency powers.

She shows little intention of opening up, only saying BS like (and this is verbatim) 'people want the government to take care of them', 'going to be a slow process', 'will last months, into the fall', etc.

Michigan has a severe stay-at-home order & it's expected she's going to extend that with her unconstitutional emergency powers.

Bottom line: The economic devastation is quickening. I think federal government is going to have to have a say sooner than later, as time marches on & governors get so slow on opening up they're not moving like Michigan's.

Does MI law allow the Govt to declare a state of emergency and grant the office emergency powers?
MI Law allows the governor to declare a state of emergency with emergency powers that lasts for 30 days. When 30 days are up, it needs to be extended by both the House & the Senate, else it's over. The House refused.

Thank you for responding. I'm very concerned about this. I know many in the state are. Even people who vote Blue have expressed their frustration to me.

If that's the law then this should be open and shut, even for a 4 - 3 MI Supreme Court

I understand and appreciate the need for public safety, but we must also look at precedent. Letting governors do whatever they want for however long they want goes against the fundamental core of our system of checks and balances
Lower judge sides w/ Gretchen -> ruled in favor of an older law (that doesn't require the 28 day extension) as the one Gretchen's using (although the older law gives the governor less power)

Hopefully going to the Michigan Supreme Court & fast.

A GOP rep said while the headlines will say Gretchen Won, there were some victories:
1.) The court ruled she did break the more recent Act that requires legislature approval
2.) The court agreed the legislature has a right to sue the governor. The GOP rep says "This may sound minor, but is actually really important."
3.) The court ruled the older act (that doesn't require legislature approval) is allowed, but this is where there's still disagreement. The legislature believes that this is a riot act and can only be used for local emergencies. "The later act was specifically created to allow broader powers, under the condition the governor gets approval at the end of 28 days."

They are appealing.
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(05-21-2020 03:40 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Trump visiting Michigan today. A Ford factory that's (probably) all union workers who vote Democrat.

Not sure how his meeting w/ the Ford executives went, but the local Detroit media drilling him about not wearing a mask & if the country has enough ventilators & masks if the crisis lasts years.

What a waste of his time.

Michigan AG suing Trump & going after Ford for not making him wear a mask.

Trump in a Tweet warns the AG not to threaten Ford too much they want to leave Michigan
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These Mask Wearers have lost their collective minds.
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(05-22-2020 05:35 PM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/tsspangler/status/12...2986338304

NO WOMAN NO CRY

My stomach just dropped to the pit.

Talk about a Friday night bomb.

Wow.

Ugh.

No words.
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I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA
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(05-22-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA

Do things generally still have to go thru the legislature during the "crisis" there?
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I've been thinking Michigan will go Blue for 2020 election for a while now, but today I'm starting to question it:

People are riled up here about Big Gretch. If they show up in November, Biden's toast here.

It depends on who Biden's VP is tho. I believe he wants a woman of color & that could get a huge percent of the black vote out, which would basically nullify those taking out their frustration towards Gretchen.

Ugh.....I guess I'm gonna stick w/ that's what happens.
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(05-22-2020 06:54 PM)solohawks Wrote:  I'm surprised the NC legislature as allowed the governor so much control. The NC Governor's ability to veto is just over 20 years old.

My guess is the governor, while not opening as fast as our neighbors to the south and west, put together a tolerable plan in addition to having a fairly broad emergency statute to claim executive power. Plus with a 6-1 D to R ratio any suit would have been DOA

Do things generally still have to go thru the legislature during the "crisis" there?

Cooper has had pretty much full control since he issued his emergency order in late March. Like most states he had 30 days of emergency control. After that he extended it another 2 weeks and implemented his 3 phase plan to reopen.

We are on phase 2 now which will supposedly last another month. And while there was a big protest at the end of April in order to pressure to fully reopen right away, there hasnt been that much pushback. Of course, at least in my county, enforcement for this stuff hasnt been very militant.
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More bad news for Michigan:

Supreme Court has been sitting on the case waiting for Gretchen's opinion on whether it should go to appeals court. Deadline is tomorrow. Not sure why they needed to give her a week to hear her tell them 'have it go to appeals.' If they have it go to the appeals court (having 4-3 numbers conservative judges), what garbage this is.

Meanwhile Gretchen - after one of her officials told Trump to pound sand for not wearing a mask at the Ford facility - is requesting his help for the National Guard to July 31 now.
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(05-20-2020 08:55 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  
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(05-19-2020 09:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  So much precedence. What if a true psychopath dictator gets in office?

The Constitution is burning & we shall be next.

That's one reason I think we will eventually split into 2 or more countries. This goes way beyond a difference in political philosophy.

It's now no holds barred non-shooting warfare.

One side wants open borders. The other wants some restrictions on immigration.

One side wants full rights - including voting & taxpayer money - for illegals. The other side doesn't.

One side wants abortion up to post-birth. The other side wants limitations on abortion in some way.

One side wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment. The other side doesn't.

One side wants 'free' healthcare. The other side doesn't.

One side wants giant minimum wage hikes. The other side doesn't.

One side wants 'free' college education. The other side doesn't.

One side thinks the flag is a shame & the country needs to be held accountable for past acts. The other side is nationalist.

One side wants mail-in & internet voting. The other side doesn't.

One side wants to hand over everything to the government due to global warming. The other doesn't.

More & more examples.

There's no middle ground to these. A lot of people might claim they want a middle ground, but we're not gonna get it. Blame the politicians, but the most vocal are the ones who don't want a middle ground.

I've thought for a while states should have more control of what goes down in their state & shouldn't be at the mercy of what another state might want. Maybe it's time to really move to that idea.
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(05-19-2020 09:50 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  So much precedence. What if a true psychopath dictator gets in office?

The Constitution is burning & we shall be next.

That's one reason I think we will eventually split into 2 or more countries. This goes way beyond a difference in political philosophy.

It's now no holds barred non-shooting warfare.

Minneapolis is burning & riots encouraged
Press censoring conservatives & president declared war on them

I don't know what's happened but we're losing the country. Maybe because I'm young, but I've never seen such hate & such unrest in the country before. My understanding of history says it's been way worse than this, but I don't feel like it's been like this since all the Vietnam protests.

This isn't good, people.

Trump gets elected, & the viciousness increases
Biden gets elected, we can begin the transition to communism spurned by the 'second wave'

At this point when's the next shooting? Will the protests for states opening up get violent? Increase in crime due to mass unemployment?

Before the crisis & everyday was LGBTQ marches & the Dem's saying everyday women & minorities are treated unfairly, I felt like I was living in the women's/minority's suffrage days. Now I feel like the country's going backwards to before then.

Country's in big trouble
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A couple of important ones you left off your long list;

One side wants lax to little enforcement of laws while the other side wants law and order

One side wants to incarcerate few people and let out previously convicted felons early while the other side says if you did the crime, do the time

I'm seeing a rapid acceleration of the breakdown of this country and its social fabric. I thought that the Hillary vs Trump election was THE most important of my lifetime. I now think the same about this one coming up. If the dems regain control of the WH and the Senate, we're about done as a functioning country.
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Rumor is Detroit riots are being planned.

(05-28-2020 07:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  A couple of important ones you left off your long list;

One side wants lax to little enforcement of laws while the other side wants law and order

One side wants to incarcerate few people and let out previously convicted felons early while the other side says if you did the crime, do the time

I'm seeing a rapid acceleration of the breakdown of this country and its social fabric. I thought that the Hillary vs Trump election was THE most important of my lifetime. I now think the same about this one coming up. If the dems regain control of the WH and the Senate, we're about done as a functioning country.
I didn't view the Hillary/Trump election as the most important. But since then I feel Far Left is much more mainstream than it was even just 3 or 4 years ago & that makes the 2020 election that much more important.
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(05-28-2020 11:17 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  More bad news for Michigan:

Supreme Court has been sitting on the case waiting for Gretchen's opinion on whether it should go to appeals court. Deadline is tomorrow. Not sure why they needed to give her a week to hear her tell them 'have it go to appeals.' If they have it go to the appeals court (having 4-3 numbers conservative judges), what garbage this is.

Meanwhile Gretchen - after one of her officials told Trump to pound sand for not wearing a mask at the Ford facility - is requesting his help for the National Guard to July 31 now.

I haven't heard any update today. My guess is she asked for an extension on letting them know if she wants it to go to a appeals court first & they gave it to her. Courts are notoriously slow & seems to me right to a speedy trial went the way of the dinosaurs a long time ago.
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(05-28-2020 11:17 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  More bad news for Michigan:

Supreme Court has been sitting on the case waiting for Gretchen's opinion on whether it should go to appeals court. Deadline is tomorrow. Not sure why they needed to give her a week to hear her tell them 'have it go to appeals.' If they have it go to the appeals court (having 4-3 numbers conservative judges), what garbage this is.

Meanwhile Gretchen - after one of her officials told Trump to pound sand for not wearing a mask at the Ford facility - is requesting his help for the National Guard to July 31 now.

Pound sand? It was her lunatic AG and she threatened to charge him. Said he was a biological terrorist something ridiculous.

What the hell is going on up there? Damn.
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It's no longer about the virus:

Michigan United For Liberty, a grassroots organization of over 9,000 members in Michigan, has canceled its Michiganders' Marketplace “Sunday Funday” freedom celebration at the Michigan Capitol, which had been scheduled for 1pm on Sunday the 31st.
The decision was immediately made when the group was informed that another group of demonstrators plans to descend on the Capitol that same day, ostensibly to protest the killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.
Despite Chauvin’s immediate firing, subsequent arrest, and the President announcing a Justice Department investigation into the incident, rioters in Minneapolis robbed and burned innocent businesses to the ground, overran a police precinct, assaulted officers, and committed other acts of senseless violence.
Riots have broken out in numerous other major U.S. cities.
“We will not allow our message of peaceful, law-abiding, positive resistance to be conflated with the violent and unlawful actions of unrelated groups, and we cannot ask our members and supporters to put themselves in harm’s way,” said MUFL spokesman Adam de Angeli. “We will not be associated with political terrorism in any manner.”
While Michigan United For Liberty acknowledges the seriousness of the issue of police brutality, the group is committed to – and must remain focused on – ending Governor Whitmer’s unconstitutional lockdown orders that are destroying the lives and livelihoods of Michiganders with every passing day. Regrettably, the organization sees no possibility of its positive message being clearly conveyed with another protest happening at the same place and time.
Instead, Michigan United For Liberty encourages its members carry out the spirit of the scheduled event – opposing and defying the governor’s unconstitutional lockdown orders – on Sunday by going to church, getting together with friends, and being productive members of society.
“Our movement honors the tradition of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who understood that only through non-violence can we achieve justice,” de Angeli continued. “We had hoped to send that message once again with an upbeat freedom celebration on Sunday afternoon, but given the circumstances, it’s clearly better that we simply move forward, roll out our legislative program and grassroots leadership program, and steer clear of this danger.
“Our movement is of creators – workers, builders, artists, doctors, entrepreneurs – united against the governor’s destructive orders. The risk of getting mixed up with potentially violent protesters over a separate issue is just not worth it.”
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(05-29-2020 10:44 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Rumor is Detroit riots are being planned.

(05-28-2020 07:03 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  A couple of important ones you left off your long list;

One side wants lax to little enforcement of laws while the other side wants law and order

One side wants to incarcerate few people and let out previously convicted felons early while the other side says if you did the crime, do the time

I'm seeing a rapid acceleration of the breakdown of this country and its social fabric. I thought that the Hillary vs Trump election was THE most important of my lifetime. I now think the same about this one coming up. If the dems regain control of the WH and the Senate, we're about done as a functioning country.
I didn't view the Hillary/Trump election as the most important. But since then I feel Far Left is much more mainstream than it was even just 3 or 4 years ago & that makes the 2020 election that much more important.



Not picking on you, but nah. Far left has always been there, you think antiques like Granny Nan just came up with her crap?, they've just now been smoked out. They can't or won't hide their true intentions any longer.

They feel entitled to the entirety of governance cause they are absolutely convinced that their way is the right way. WH, jusdiciary, both chambers of Congress.

It is both a manifestation and a failure of our Government run schools and the rights failure in stepping in, demanding we actually teach kids not indoctrinate.

zerO didn't try to hide it, he openly campaigned on "fundamentally transforming America, and their actions spoke to the ends they would go too. He and they almost got there. Almost.

It's quoted often and it needs to be: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free" Ronaldus Maximus

Truer words never spoken. Look around.
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