(05-06-2020 10:18 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 11:58 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yea, at this point I think it should be up to individuals. If you want to put yourself at risk, then feel free to. If you want to avoid others then go ahead. I mean who knows how long we had been exposed to all of this before the shelter in place order? Id be willing to bet a lot of people had it as early as February.

Except it's not that simple. If people "put themselves at risk;" AND it effected no one else, I'd agree . . Feel Free.

But the reality is, these people put themselves at risk, contract the virus, and PASS IT to others whom they come in contact with, some without even knowing they're passing it on.

That's not exercising any individual right. That's the epitome of Selfishness.

True, but I'd be willing to bet that at this point we've all been exposed to it... Like I asked previously, how long was this going around before we did anything about it? I could be wrong but we probably were out and about and exposed to it for a pretty good while.

I don't think those in rural areas have been exposed to it though. It hasn't had the opportunity to spread to certain areas because of these measures.

That said, the stay and home orders have done what they were meant to do flatten the curve. It may have saved some lives from the virus (probably due to seasonality as we enter into summer), but in reality it was to prevent non-covid deaths due to lack of available care. Roughly the same number of people will contract the disease and deaths will be similar just spread over a longer period of time.

If we continue this until a vaccine is available more people will die from economic issues (especially if you're talking about the world not just the US). The risks of economic, food supply, hospital funding, etc. will at some point outweigh the virus specific health risks. We are closing to that point than some would admit.

The solution to this isn't an easy choice, any solution put forth will result in hardships. Hopefully we're passed the point of having this discussion leading to hyperbolic cable news talking points. Saying we need to open the economy up with measures to address concerns does not mean someone hopes a family member dies. Being concerned about the elderly doesn't mean you want the poor to starve either. Plenty of middle ground I believe everyone can find.

Rural areas have been exposed too. All 64 parishes in Louisiana have at least 2 cases.

2 cases is not exposure.

Most rural areas in Alabama have had very little testing. I would imagine that’s the case in a lot of other states as well. For that matter, a lot of urban areas are struggling to test.

(05-06-2020 10:18 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 11:58 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yea, at this point I think it should be up to individuals. If you want to put yourself at risk, then feel free to. If you want to avoid others then go ahead. I mean who knows how long we had been exposed to all of this before the shelter in place order? Id be willing to bet a lot of people had it as early as February.

Except it's not that simple. If people "put themselves at risk;" AND it effected no one else, I'd agree . . Feel Free.

But the reality is, these people put themselves at risk, contract the virus, and PASS IT to others whom they come in contact with, some without even knowing they're passing it on.

That's not exercising any individual right. That's the epitome of Selfishness.

Unless you are a hermit, and rarely leave your house, you've been exposed to it already. I'm exposed to it daily, but if the choices are making enough money to pay my bills and feed my family, or save someone else's life, I'm going to pick the selfish route every time.

It's why you are seeing Social Distancing start to fall off in many places. The Economic depression has lasted long enough that its forcing people into difficult decisions, and given the choice most Americans are going to pick the selfish option.

While we're at it, Dan Patrick outlined on his show the other day what the rumors are that he's heard for College Football.

10 game seasons if they play in Fall. Money games are dropped universally (So no FCS vs FBS games and almost no P5 vs G5 games) Each team will play a full conference slate with either 1 or two regional nonconference opponents.

Many games in front of empty stadiums, though some smaller schools might get to play in front of half capacity crowds, especially those in more rural areas.

Spring football still possible, but there are economic concerns to keeping games in the Fall. Even the TV money would be significant enough to keep most schools afloat for the fall with or without fans. There is certainly going to be a large market for televised games.

(05-04-2020 07:11 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 05:25 PM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 02:49 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(05-01-2020 07:46 PM)Usajags Wrote:  [quote='GaSoEagle' pid='16802059' dateline='1588377491']
If colleges open back up football could happen maybe

All depends on what the results are as states continue to reopen. If there is no spike in cases, and we can get life back to normal by mid-June. Let’s play some FOOTBALL!!!!

I believe this is how it will work. There will be some changes to when practice starts due to no spring practice, hopefully players can get back at it by end of June, short break in July and start season prep mid to late July. No reason that can’t happen.

When the news cycle stops this 24 hr non stop talk about a virus, life will be resumed. Much of this discussion is over the top and many will come to realize this in the coming weeks if they haven't already. We are all fragile beings, subject to health issues daily which prior to now we have understood and acted accordingly. That should not mean that our country should be shut down, our economy damaged and the Bill of Rights tossed aside. Two California doctors are claiming the profession is being told to overstate deaths by claiming the virus is the cause when it's not. NY hospitals placed only 184 patients on the Comfort and their hospitals were nowhere near capacity claimed by the Governor. Several hospitals are going broke due to a lack of patients and needed surgeries. The virus has taken some and which is unfortunate but no more so than many other diseases. Lets stop this unending fear that we have and enjoy life.

So, if we stop talking about it, the virus will just disappear and people will stop dying? That's news to me. I didn't know that the virus was listening to the news and making its decisions based off of what CNN, Fox News, and NPR had to say.

I don't care what you have to say about the matter, as life is not going to go back to normal when people stop talking about it. There will be a new normal and we need to be okay with that. Just because two doctors said something doesn't mean it's true. As you said in your comment, people are told to say things all the time, just to make a point. Who is to say that they weren't doing just that?

The facts are that thousands of people have died, we still don't have a cure, and people being in close proximity to one another is an issue. You can try to refute that as much as you want with, "Well, if we ignore it, it won't get us", but that isn't real life. The fact that we have to even say, "People died and that sucks. Let's move on" is damn near terrifying. If that's how we respond to an actual pandemic now, our country has a lot to worry about after this is all over.

Pretty poor summary of what I said. If you think this virus is bad, I hope you never see a geniune depression in this country. The virus will be a small problem at that point. If we started getting unending news tomorrow that mashed potatoes kills us, few would eat mashed potatoes. Many diseases out there that can kill us. What are you doing about them? Have you changed your life because of them? Probably not for it isn't on the tv 24hrs a day. People are scared as hell about the virus and why not, the news has many believing they are the walking dead. Saw a guy in Lowe's yesterday. Had on rubber gloves with full outer wear and a face mask that covered almost his entire face. Only the eyes and a inch above were exposed. He practiced social distancing from about 30 feet. He stood near the door, looked at the people shopping for 2-3 minutes and then left. He was very scared and looked the part. I felt sorry for him,

they can test all they want. many people may have the virus and dont know it. so if they test positive will they all of a sudden start to feel bad because they didnt know they were supposed to? over 1.2 million people died in the u.s. last year from heart disease and cancer alone. about 100,000 a month. get a grip. there are people out and about that are stupid enough to cough or sneeze on folks so I would probably take along a mask to wear anywhere I might encounter a crowd and just get back to as normal as possible. an infinitesimal number of healthy folks that get it may die just like you could get shot by a stray bullet or hit by lightning. because society is lawsuit happy, everyone in any position of authority has gone off the deep end with these restrictions to cover their butts. fine for them but many of us grow tired of it. our daughter-in-law is a teacher and has to don full hazmat gear just to go up to her fully closed down school to get anything from her classroom...just getting to be nuts. IMHO

Life is short, Life is tough, and sometimes Life's not fair. I say once they getting the testing running more efficiently rip the bandaid off and let Covid run it's course these next few months. I think the tip toeing was good start but I'd like to see everyone toughing up on this a little.

Yea, I mean I get people who have family that are susceptible taking caution. If they want to continue to do so then thats fine, you may still do so. But as I said earlier I'd bet that most of us have already been exposed with no real effects so why hold us back?

I'm not sure that comparisons to cancer and heart disease are all that useful. Those are diseases that are only at the forefront of our consciousness because we've done such a good job at figuring out how to survive deadly bacteria and viruses. Covid-19 almost assuredly taps into this idea that we as humans are largely past the "plague" phase of our existence, so it's certainly going to get a different reaction from long-life diseases.

The biggest comparison one could probably make is that susceptibility rises with age for all of them...but even with that, if someone recognized that there was a plan where we could limit contact with each other for several months to potentially never have to deal with heart disease or cancer again, I'm sure there would be a push from some quarters to enact it. We may never do it, but there would be an argument.

With that said, I've pretty much just resigned myself to the fact that I'm not going to feel good about seeing my at-risk parents in south Georgia until testing is commonplace or this whole thing has run its course. I can't really judge those that are so opposed to the lockdowns, as I've been an essential worker the whole time, haven't seen personal finances affected much, and definitely don't feel like I've had some sort of fundamental rights taken away from me. I know others have been hit by these factors and have a different view, so I'll just respect the differing perspectives and hope we can hit on a middle ground that limits the casualties - human, economic, and rhetorical - that both ends of the spectrum are most afraid of.

Arkansas hasn't officially given the go ahead yet, but it appears that AState is currently planning to bring football players back to campus June 1. We're on a fairly aggressive reopening timeline here, and the announcement about re opening the last two things in the state still shut down (Night Club and Youth Activities/team sports) are next week. While target dates have not been mentioned, I'm going to assume that Mohajir has already been told what that date is.

My grandson plays on a travel team based out of Poplar Bluff Missouri. They are practising again. About to start tournament play.

(05-06-2020 09:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:18 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 11:58 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yea, at this point I think it should be up to individuals. If you want to put yourself at risk, then feel free to. If you want to avoid others then go ahead. I mean who knows how long we had been exposed to all of this before the shelter in place order? Id be willing to bet a lot of people had it as early as February.

Except it's not that simple. If people "put themselves at risk;" AND it effected no one else, I'd agree . . Feel Free.

But the reality is, these people put themselves at risk, contract the virus, and PASS IT to others whom they come in contact with, some without even knowing they're passing it on.

That's not exercising any individual right. That's the epitome of Selfishness.

Unless you are a hermit, and rarely leave your house, you've been exposed to it already. I'm exposed to it daily, but if the choices are making enough money to pay my bills and feed my family, or save someone else's life, I'm going to pick the selfish route every time.

It's why you are seeing Social Distancing start to fall off in many places. The Economic depression has lasted long enough that its forcing people into difficult decisions, and given the choice most Americans are going to pick the selfish option.

Lol...so you finally admit you killing people is acceptable. I started to say you are a pathetic little man but you miss the man part by a wide margin. I guess every fan base has to have some real s h I t t e rs. stAte has found ours.

(05-16-2020 02:34 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 09:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:18 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 11:58 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yea, at this point I think it should be up to individuals. If you want to put yourself at risk, then feel free to. If you want to avoid others then go ahead. I mean who knows how long we had been exposed to all of this before the shelter in place order? Id be willing to bet a lot of people had it as early as February.

Except it's not that simple. If people "put themselves at risk;" AND it effected no one else, I'd agree . . Feel Free.

But the reality is, these people put themselves at risk, contract the virus, and PASS IT to others whom they come in contact with, some without even knowing they're passing it on.

That's not exercising any individual right. That's the epitome of Selfishness.

Unless you are a hermit, and rarely leave your house, you've been exposed to it already. I'm exposed to it daily, but if the choices are making enough money to pay my bills and feed my family, or save someone else's life, I'm going to pick the selfish route every time.

It's why you are seeing Social Distancing start to fall off in many places. The Economic depression has lasted long enough that its forcing people into difficult decisions, and given the choice most Americans are going to pick the selfish option.

Lol...so you finally admit you killing people is acceptable. I started to say you are a pathetic little man but you miss the man part by a wide margin. I guess every fan base has to have some real s h I t t e rs. stAte has found ours.

Who knew that going out in public, following social distancing regulations when possible, but going about your daily life would get you called to be a murderer.

Yes, I go to work every day. Yes, I cross state lines regularly. Its a requirement of my job. Yes, I generally social distance when in large crowds, no I don't wear a mask. If that makes me a selfish maniac, than I'll wear that label proudly. Because I'm not changing who I am.

People that take every chance to claim individuals are wishing deaths to others are a close second to the hoax crowd.

(05-16-2020 03:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  People that take every chance to claim individuals are wishing deaths to others are a close second to the hoax crowd.

I'd say they're worse. Agree with them or not, at least the hoax crowd isn't wishing death on those they disagree with them

(05-16-2020 02:46 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-16-2020 02:34 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 09:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-06-2020 10:18 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(05-05-2020 11:58 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Yea, at this point I think it should be up to individuals. If you want to put yourself at risk, then feel free to. If you want to avoid others then go ahead. I mean who knows how long we had been exposed to all of this before the shelter in place order? Id be willing to bet a lot of people had it as early as February.

Except it's not that simple. If people "put themselves at risk;" AND it effected no one else, I'd agree . . Feel Free.

But the reality is, these people put themselves at risk, contract the virus, and PASS IT to others whom they come in contact with, some without even knowing they're passing it on.

That's not exercising any individual right. That's the epitome of Selfishness.

Unless you are a hermit, and rarely leave your house, you've been exposed to it already. I'm exposed to it daily, but if the choices are making enough money to pay my bills and feed my family, or save someone else's life, I'm going to pick the selfish route every time.

It's why you are seeing Social Distancing start to fall off in many places. The Economic depression has lasted long enough that its forcing people into difficult decisions, and given the choice most Americans are going to pick the selfish option.

Lol...so you finally admit you killing people is acceptable. I started to say you are a pathetic little man but you miss the man part by a wide margin. I guess every fan base has to have some real s h I t t e rs. stAte has found ours.

Who knew that going out in public, following social distancing regulations when possible, but going about your daily life would get you called to be a murderer.

Yes, I go to work every day. Yes, I cross state lines regularly. Its a requirement of my job. Yes, I generally social distance when in large crowds, no I don't wear a mask. If that makes me a selfish maniac, than I'll wear that label proudly. Because I'm not changing who I am.

Ummm. Maybe you should read what you type. You said if people did OK. I have get out occasionally but I am not so flippant about people dying. Extreme times and yes these are extreme times expose people and you boyo have been exposed. Be proud of being a piece of crap. Am I wrong but weren't you a teacher? Lord help us.

(05-16-2020 03:29 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  People that take every chance to claim individuals are wishing deaths to others are a close second to the hoax crowd.

Read what puke said. I never said he wished anything on anyone.just that he didn't care if anyone dies because of him or others like him.