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Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/
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(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/
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(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?
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(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

First of all, I'm not calling Rohrwasser a right-wing extremist. The facts haven't made their way to light on this story yet.

Let's say Rohrwasser is a member of (or at least supports) the Three Percenters. Certainly that is a different planet of extremism than a engaging in a peaceful protest such as taking a knee during the National Anthem. Has Kaepernick associated himself with left-wing extremist groups? Honest question... I'm not aware of it, if so.
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(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

Good question. Also, all the guys kneeling with him protesting the USA as an oppressive country.

Kaep

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"
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So, even putting aside the tendentious, in-the-eye-of-the-woke-beholder characterization of this group as "extremist" (looks rightist but not beyond the pale to me: denies racist ideology, has thousands of law-enforcement members without problem except for an ultrablue city and a college town), the kid immediately appears shook, claims a mistake, apologizes for not doing more research (as an 18-year-old, mind you), and promises to have his tattoo removed . . . and that's not good enough. No, somebody on the Patriots and/or the kid have to lose their jobs.

Cancel culture BS combined with hot-take sports journalism.

And BTW, the whole thing is a pretext for getting to spill even more ink about Kaepernick, whose name appears in the first article nearly as much as Rohrwasser's. Is Kaepernick a left-wing extremist? And remind me...in four years has he apologized for anything, or acknowledged the legitimacy of other viewpoints to make himself more palatable to prospective employers, like it took Rohrwasser all of one second to do?
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(04-28-2020 03:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

First of all, I'm not calling Rohrwasser a right-wing extremist. The facts haven't made their way to light on this story yet.

Let's say Rohrwasser is a member of (or at least supports) the Three Percenters. Certainly that is a different planet of extremism than a engaging in a peaceful protest such as taking a knee during the National Anthem. Has Kaepernick associated himself with left-wing extremist groups? Honest question... I'm not aware of it, if so.

Im just making note of your ostensible support for restricting playing in the NFL to thsoe who 'think proper political thought', according to you. You obviously didnt catch that nuance. Perhaps that isnt a such 'nuance' for you.
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(04-28-2020 03:51 PM)illiniowl Wrote:  So, even putting aside the tendentious, in-the-eye-of-the-woke-beholder characterization of this group as "extremist" (looks rightist but not beyond the pale to me: denies racist ideology, has thousands of law-enforcement members without problem except for an ultrablue city and a college town), the kid immediately appears shook, claims a mistake, apologizes for not doing more research (as an 18-year-old, mind you), and promises to have his tattoo removed . . . and that's not good enough. No, somebody on the Patriots and/or the kid have to lose their jobs.

Cancel culture BS combined with hot-take sports journalism.

And BTW, the whole thing is a pretext for getting to spill even more ink about Kaepernick, whose name appears in the first article nearly as much as Rohrwasser's. Is Kaepernick a left-wing extremist? And remind me...in four years has he apologized for anything, or acknowledged the legitimacy of other viewpoints to make himself more palatable to prospective employers, like it took Rohrwasser all of one second to do?

And has all the SJW parrots clamoring for his removal for 'double ungood badthink'. The evidence of that first sentence above ostensibly being 93's first and second post.

I wonder why progressives have gained the notoriety of being as close-minded as those whom they squawk about.... I wonder.....

And illini, thank you for the whole 'putting aside' sentence above. I think 93 either failed to note that issue, or, 'perhaps', may not care to note that issue about the group.
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(04-28-2020 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:08 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  Interesting article. I wonder if his apology/explanation will be the end of this story or if further investigation is underway?

https://theundefeated.com/features/where...-patriots/

And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

First of all, I'm not calling Rohrwasser a right-wing extremist. The facts haven't made their way to light on this story yet.

Let's say Rohrwasser is a member of (or at least supports) the Three Percenters. Certainly that is a different planet of extremism than a engaging in a peaceful protest such as taking a knee during the National Anthem. Has Kaepernick associated himself with left-wing extremist groups? Honest question... I'm not aware of it, if so.

Im just making note of your ostensible support for restricting playing in the NFL to thsoe who 'think proper political thought', according to you. You obviously didnt catch that nuance. Perhaps that isnt a such 'nuance' for you.

I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.
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(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

First of all, I'm not calling Rohrwasser a right-wing extremist. The facts haven't made their way to light on this story yet.

Let's say Rohrwasser is a member of (or at least supports) the Three Percenters. Certainly that is a different planet of extremism than a engaging in a peaceful protest such as taking a knee during the National Anthem. Has Kaepernick associated himself with left-wing extremist groups? Honest question... I'm not aware of it, if so.

Im just making note of your ostensible support for restricting playing in the NFL to thsoe who 'think proper political thought', according to you. You obviously didnt catch that nuance. Perhaps that isnt a such 'nuance' for you.

I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.
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(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:10 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:47 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:41 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 03:19 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  And diving in a bit further it looks like his social medial activity be problematic when it comes to explaining away the tattoo. It also may be that he got the tattoo in college rather then in high school. This story likely has legs. Did the Patriots just draft a right-wing extremist?

https://nesn.com/2020/04/jemele-hill-wei...-activity/

Do you consider Kaepernick to be an equivalent 'left wing extremist'?

First of all, I'm not calling Rohrwasser a right-wing extremist. The facts haven't made their way to light on this story yet.

Let's say Rohrwasser is a member of (or at least supports) the Three Percenters. Certainly that is a different planet of extremism than a engaging in a peaceful protest such as taking a knee during the National Anthem. Has Kaepernick associated himself with left-wing extremist groups? Honest question... I'm not aware of it, if so.

Im just making note of your ostensible support for restricting playing in the NFL to thsoe who 'think proper political thought', according to you. You obviously didnt catch that nuance. Perhaps that isnt a such 'nuance' for you.

I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Apples and oranges, since Rohrwasser denies having any political views and in fact renounces the ones he's been accused of having. Kaepernick on the other hand not only stridently persists in his views but insists on promoting them on company time.
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(04-28-2020 04:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.

You're correct. Kaepernick hasn't shown the ability to start as a quarterback in the NFL. I've read scouting reports of him that state he doesn't make game decisions at the level that an NFL starting quarterback should. He came into the league in a great place for him, a team with a good, solid, experienced offensive line that could provide him with plenty of time to make decisions when running the offense. When the 49ers' line deteriorated, his lack of good decision-making was exposed, so the team got rid of him for a (judging by recent results) superior replacement.

Like all pro sports owners, NFL owners like to win, because you make more money when you win, and you do that by getting talented players for your team. There's plenty of talented people who've gotten lots of chances to play who've done more heinous things than kneel during the national anthem. Kaepernick might be able to play in the league as a backup, but right now it's in his economic best interest to be a victim, so he's playing that role instead.
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(04-28-2020 07:14 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.

You're correct. Kaepernick hasn't shown the ability to start as a quarterback in the NFL. I've read scouting reports of him that state he doesn't make game decisions at the level that an NFL starting quarterback should. He came into the league in a great place for him, a team with a good, solid, experienced offensive line that could provide him with plenty of time to make decisions when running the offense. When the 49ers' line deteriorated, his lack of good decision-making was exposed, so the team got rid of him for a (judging by recent results) superior replacement.

Like all pro sports owners, NFL owners like to win, because you make more money when you win, and you do that by getting talented players for your team. There's plenty of talented people who've gotten lots of chances to play who've done more heinous things than kneel during the national anthem. Kaepernick might be able to play in the league as a backup, but right now it's in his economic best interest to be a victim, so he's playing that role instead.

You may be right about 2019-2020 Kaepaernick. However, when you look at all the quarterbacks on NFL rosters for the first couple years of his "ban" there were doubtlessly inferior QB's there. I haven't read much to dispute that from NFL people.
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(04-29-2020 09:16 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 07:14 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.

You're correct. Kaepernick hasn't shown the ability to start as a quarterback in the NFL. I've read scouting reports of him that state he doesn't make game decisions at the level that an NFL starting quarterback should. He came into the league in a great place for him, a team with a good, solid, experienced offensive line that could provide him with plenty of time to make decisions when running the offense. When the 49ers' line deteriorated, his lack of good decision-making was exposed, so the team got rid of him for a (judging by recent results) superior replacement.

Like all pro sports owners, NFL owners like to win, because you make more money when you win, and you do that by getting talented players for your team. There's plenty of talented people who've gotten lots of chances to play who've done more heinous things than kneel during the national anthem. Kaepernick might be able to play in the league as a backup, but right now it's in his economic best interest to be a victim, so he's playing that role instead.

You may be right about 2019-2020 Kaepaernick. However, when you look at all the quarterbacks on NFL rosters for the first couple years of his "ban" there were doubtlessly inferior QB's there. I haven't read much to dispute that from NFL people.

Nor do I dispute it. But the total package is much more than just his 40 speed or arm strength. He brings discordance and trouble, and problems to be handled. Not many back up QBs are worth the trouble.

To put it another way, suppose a very good back up QB had a 3% tattoo. Ir he was very loudly pro-Trump. should the team consider that, or just hire the best talent available?
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(04-29-2020 09:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 09:16 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 07:14 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:15 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  I'm interested in how this story plays out. The NFL honchos seemingly decided that Kaepernick's political views were too much for them. I wonder how they'll treat Rohrwasser if more comes out of this story.

Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.

You're correct. Kaepernick hasn't shown the ability to start as a quarterback in the NFL. I've read scouting reports of him that state he doesn't make game decisions at the level that an NFL starting quarterback should. He came into the league in a great place for him, a team with a good, solid, experienced offensive line that could provide him with plenty of time to make decisions when running the offense. When the 49ers' line deteriorated, his lack of good decision-making was exposed, so the team got rid of him for a (judging by recent results) superior replacement.

Like all pro sports owners, NFL owners like to win, because you make more money when you win, and you do that by getting talented players for your team. There's plenty of talented people who've gotten lots of chances to play who've done more heinous things than kneel during the national anthem. Kaepernick might be able to play in the league as a backup, but right now it's in his economic best interest to be a victim, so he's playing that role instead.

You may be right about 2019-2020 Kaepaernick. However, when you look at all the quarterbacks on NFL rosters for the first couple years of his "ban" there were doubtlessly inferior QB's there. I haven't read much to dispute that from NFL people.

Nor do I dispute it. But the total package is much more than just his 40 speed or arm strength. He brings discordance and trouble, and problems to be handled. Not many back up QBs are worth the trouble.

To put it another way, suppose a very good back up QB had a 3% tattoo. Ir he was very loudly pro-Trump. should the team consider that, or just hire the best talent available?

That is exactly the issue that I raised originally. It will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this vis-a-vis how they handled Kaepernick.
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I think the NFL owners, individually, will, as I would, look at the total package.
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(04-29-2020 09:45 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 09:23 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 09:16 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 07:14 PM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Seemingly? Seemingly, they ran him through very particularized and personal tryouts. And there are more than a few reputable reports that Kaep has been offered more than one contract -- to which he has turned down.

I dont necessarily think that that burden is solely that of the antebellum plantation-like NFL owner's like you seemingly (that *is* a good word) set forth part and parcel as the ultimate truth above.

You're correct. Kaepernick hasn't shown the ability to start as a quarterback in the NFL. I've read scouting reports of him that state he doesn't make game decisions at the level that an NFL starting quarterback should. He came into the league in a great place for him, a team with a good, solid, experienced offensive line that could provide him with plenty of time to make decisions when running the offense. When the 49ers' line deteriorated, his lack of good decision-making was exposed, so the team got rid of him for a (judging by recent results) superior replacement.

Like all pro sports owners, NFL owners like to win, because you make more money when you win, and you do that by getting talented players for your team. There's plenty of talented people who've gotten lots of chances to play who've done more heinous things than kneel during the national anthem. Kaepernick might be able to play in the league as a backup, but right now it's in his economic best interest to be a victim, so he's playing that role instead.

You may be right about 2019-2020 Kaepaernick. However, when you look at all the quarterbacks on NFL rosters for the first couple years of his "ban" there were doubtlessly inferior QB's there. I haven't read much to dispute that from NFL people.

Nor do I dispute it. But the total package is much more than just his 40 speed or arm strength. He brings discordance and trouble, and problems to be handled. Not many back up QBs are worth the trouble.

To put it another way, suppose a very good back up QB had a 3% tattoo. Ir he was very loudly pro-Trump. should the team consider that, or just hire the best talent available?

That is exactly the issue that I raised originally. It will be interesting to see how the NFL handles this vis-a-vis how they handled Kaepernick.

And yet, the analysis here is 'is a backup QB worth that trouble'' Kaep *absolutely* has been offered backup positions. Which he refused. So the 'fallback position' really isnt a position that should be considered in the slightest.

The question isnt 'will NFL owners hold offers back due to the issues surrounding Kaep' as has been implied. As a whole, they did not. Yet somehow that is the moral question we are commiserating on -- wherein fact that supposition *isnt* a supposition at all. He was offered backup positions, at backup pay. Note the plural.

So I would retreat from the position that the NFL en masse has blackballed him, as seemingly is being implied.

That is one of the reasons I found the proffered articles really biased -- they were all written as though there have been zero offers. Which is apparently false.

93 then makes the point "there were doubtlessly inferior QB's there. I haven't read much to dispute that from NFL people." Pure stats, and even a mix of politics doesnt help 93's position.

Kaep was an adept performer in one system -- and that offensive scheme overall was a fairly unique one and adapted to Kaep's strengths and designed and drafted to avoid his weaknesses. 93's comments *might* be a point, that is if every NFL offensive system shared those somewhat unique attributes that the 49ers employed at that time. But, just a small handful did -- probably no more than two others.

No offense, but adapting a 'fire drill' quarterback to the 49ers system would have been an utter disaster --- correspondingly adapting Kaep to systems that emphasized his weaknesses would have been as well. And that is a reason why I find 93s comments abut stats and 'inferior quarterbacks' at best non-germane, and potentially at worst muddying the real issue there.
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I think what has been lost in the Kaepernick conversation is that he was an effective NFL quarterback until teams figured out how to stop what he could do, and then he couldn't adapt and remain effective. He was 17-6 in his first year and a half, when his unconventional talents prevailed Then he went 8-8, 2-6, and 1-10 as people figured out how to stop him. Basically, they let him have what he could do, knowing that couldn't beat them. His individual statistics were pretty decent even in those years, his QB ratings for the five years were 98, 92, 86, 78, and 91. But there are lots of QBs with decent stats that can't win games. He would now be a 33 year old QB who hasn't played in 4 years. He's making more money as a rabble rouser than he would make as a QB.

I'd say the same thing about Rohrwasser. If he turns into another Vinateri, it will be forgotten. If he is a mediocre kicker, he will be gone in two years or less.

HIs stated position is that it was a mistake, he rejects the three-percenter beliefs, and he is having the tattoo removed. That's totally different from Kaepernick's approach. I'm willing to take him at his word until he proves otherwise. Just as I take Kaepernick at his word until he proves otherwise. But Kaepernick's word is very different from Rohrwasser's.
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If QB "A" is rated an 88, and QB Kaep is rated a 91, then other things being equal, take Kaep.

Other things are not equal. One consideration in the mind of each owner and GM and coach is how much is this going to detract from the mission, the mission being to win championships. If there is team dissension and fans staying away, that must be considered. Hiring Kaep would be like hiring Norma Rae to run a sweat shop. Maybe Norma is a very good seamstress, but she is not worth the aggravation.

And all this for a guy who may never play a down when it matters?
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(04-29-2020 10:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think what has been lost in the Kaepernick conversation is that he was an effective NFL quarterback until teams figured out how to stop what he could do, and then he couldn't adapt and remain effective. He was 17-6 in his first year and a half, when his unconventional talents prevailed Then he went 8-8, 2-6, and 1-10 as people figured out how to stop him. Basically, they let him have what he could do, knowing that couldn't beat them. His individual statistics were pretty decent even in those years, his QB ratings for the five years were 98, 92, 86, 78, and 91. But there are lots of QBs with decent stats that can't win games. He would now be a 33 year old QB who hasn't played in 4 years. He's making more money as a rabble rouser than he would make as a QB.

I'd say the same thing about Rohrwasser. If he turns into another Vinateri, it will be forgotten. If he is a mediocre kicker, he will be gone in two years or less.

HIs stated position is that it was a mistake, he rejects the three-percenter beliefs, and he is having the tattoo removed. That's totally different from Kaepernick's approach. I'm willing to take him at his word until he proves otherwise. Just as I take Kaepernick at his word until he proves otherwise. But Kaepernick's word is very different from Rohrwasser's.

NFL players are quite united in his ability as a QB:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2814...yer-survey

Granted... this doesn't say anything about what salary he would accept as a backup.

But when you guys says that he wasn't good enough for an NFL roster, actual NFL players disagree with this assessment.
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