(04-28-2020 05:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Well, the OP is clearly foolish because masks don't protect 'you'.

Note that none of them were wearing gloves...
Note that social distancing was practiced
Note that even the typical handshake was eschewed for an elbow bump (that's a pre-covid relatively common healthcare practice in flu season... used to be knucks)

I suppose he could have/should have worn one out of courtesy if nothing else, but as this is clearly a hospital, had they wanted him to, they could have made him. It seems they made some sort of reasonable accommodation so that he could be more clearly understood... and of course, i suspect he's been tested more/more recently than the others in that room have....

yes, I also suspect there was a little signaling that with the appropriate precautions... that we can start to get back to more normal.... but clearly not a free-for-all

Feewins still hurt. and no they couldn't have made him.

Loon.

Just accept it as the political statement that it was. The virus is not stopping Trump/Pence.

The VP is obviously tested numerous times for the virus and doesn't have COVID. Should he have worn a mask, probably, but only to avoid nonsense such as this.

The spiraling descent of Tom from once a levelheaded lib to the TDS riddled poster we see before us has truly been a spectacle.

Don't worry. Even if Pence has coronavirus, you can't prove that he would infect anyone else if he didn't wear his mask. Ask Chris Cuomo, he'll tell you...

More much ado about nuttin'.

the mask is to protect you from me. I'm sure as Veep, he has the instant read test at his ready disposal, they likely took his temp, the others are wearing masks and they are keeping distance.

But agreed to 49er above, it's just one more thing for the lunatic fringe to moan about, he shoulda slipped one on for the photo-op, then put it in his back pocket if he doesn't want to wear it.

(04-29-2020 07:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 05:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Well, the OP is clearly foolish because masks don't protect 'you'.

Note that none of them were wearing gloves...
Note that social distancing was practiced
Note that even the typical handshake was eschewed for an elbow bump (that's a pre-covid relatively common healthcare practice in flu season... used to be knucks)

I suppose he could have/should have worn one out of courtesy if nothing else, but as this is clearly a hospital, had they wanted him to, they could have made him. It seems they made some sort of reasonable accommodation so that he could be more clearly understood... and of course, i suspect he's been tested more/more recently than the others in that room have....

yes, I also suspect there was a little signaling that with the appropriate precautions... that we can start to get back to more normal.... but clearly not a free-for-all

Feewins still hurt. and no they couldn't have made him.

Loon.

Drunk already? Damn, we DO need to get back to work.

The VP can't simply choose to violate hospital policy.... he was (it appears) in a patient care area.... guy sitting on a hospital bed... He has no more legal right to be there than you would.... and if you think you're allowed in patient care areas without their permission, go ahead and do it and report back once you post bail. NO they wouldn't arrest the VP, bt that's because he isn't stupid enough to demand to do something pointless in violation of reasonable policy.... and if he did, they likely would decline to participate. Surely you don't think the VP has the right to deny them their right to not appear on TV with him? Jesus, you ***** about your rights being infringed and then tell me that the VP has a right to violate HIPAA

Why you'd choose to argue with me about this is literally insane. I'm providing professional knowledge of healthcare law to demonstrate that the OP is ignorant... and despite you agreeing, you're arguing with me about it.

Hint... the point about nobody wearing gloves was not a 'those bad people, look at them violating the law' that you seem to think (I'm guessing here, you stopped making sense a week ago).... it was to point out that Pence not wearing a mask is obviously no less acceptable in that setting than healthcare workers not wearing gloves.... hence IMO, the entire premise, including the elbow bump is 'staged'... intended to show some basic, but not absolute adherence to 'best practices'. I believe the main point was about encouraging blood donations or something... so it was essentially a PSA.

Feel free to believe differently, but quit assuming you know what I'm talking about. You long ago demonstrated that you don't.

(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 07:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 05:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Well, the OP is clearly foolish because masks don't protect 'you'.

Note that none of them were wearing gloves...
Note that social distancing was practiced
Note that even the typical handshake was eschewed for an elbow bump (that's a pre-covid relatively common healthcare practice in flu season... used to be knucks)

I suppose he could have/should have worn one out of courtesy if nothing else, but as this is clearly a hospital, had they wanted him to, they could have made him. It seems they made some sort of reasonable accommodation so that he could be more clearly understood... and of course, i suspect he's been tested more/more recently than the others in that room have....

yes, I also suspect there was a little signaling that with the appropriate precautions... that we can start to get back to more normal.... but clearly not a free-for-all

Feewins still hurt. and no they couldn't have made him.

Loon.

Drunk already? Damn, we do need to get back to work.

The VP can't simply choose to violate hospital policy.... he was (it appears) in a patient care area.... guy sitting on a hospital bed... He has no more legal right to be there than you would.... and if you think you're allowed in patient care areas without their permission, go ahead and do it and report back once you post bail. NO they wouldn't arrest the VP, bt that's because he isn't stupid enough to demand to do something pointless in violation of reasonable policy.

Why you'd choose to argue with me about this is literally insane. I'm providing professional knowledge of healthcare law to demonstrate that the OP is ignorant... and despite you agreeing, you're arguing with me about it.

Hint... the point about nobody wearing gloves was not a 'those bad people, look at them violating the law' that you seem to think (I'm guessing here, you stopped making sense a week ago).... it was to point out that Pence not wearing a mask is obviously no less acceptable in that setting than healthcare workers not wearing gloves.... hence IMO, the entire premise, including the elbow bump is 'staged'... intended to show some basic, but not absolute adherence to 'best practices'. I believe the main point was about encouraging blood donations or something... so it was essentially a PSA.

Feel free to believe differently, but quit assuming you know what I'm talking about. You long ago demonstrated that you don't.

Do you honestly think he did this without the OK from the hospital, doctors, and patient? Pence is a guy that most definitely would have asked "Should I wear my mask?"

(04-29-2020 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 07:45 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-28-2020 05:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Well, the OP is clearly foolish because masks don't protect 'you'.

Note that none of them were wearing gloves...
Note that social distancing was practiced
Note that even the typical handshake was eschewed for an elbow bump (that's a pre-covid relatively common healthcare practice in flu season... used to be knucks)

I suppose he could have/should have worn one out of courtesy if nothing else, but as this is clearly a hospital, had they wanted him to, they could have made him. It seems they made some sort of reasonable accommodation so that he could be more clearly understood... and of course, i suspect he's been tested more/more recently than the others in that room have....

yes, I also suspect there was a little signaling that with the appropriate precautions... that we can start to get back to more normal.... but clearly not a free-for-all

Feewins still hurt. and no they couldn't have made him.

Loon.

Drunk already? Damn, we do need to get back to work.

The VP can't simply choose to violate hospital policy.... he was (it appears) in a patient care area.... guy sitting on a hospital bed... He has no more legal right to be there than you would.... and if you think you're allowed in patient care areas without their permission, go ahead and do it and report back once you post bail. NO they wouldn't arrest the VP, bt that's because he isn't stupid enough to demand to do something pointless in violation of reasonable policy.

Why you'd choose to argue with me about this is literally insane. I'm providing professional knowledge of healthcare law to demonstrate that the OP is ignorant... and despite you agreeing, you're arguing with me about it.

Hint... the point about nobody wearing gloves was not a 'those bad people, look at them violating the law' that you seem to think (I'm guessing here, you stopped making sense a week ago).... it was to point out that Pence not wearing a mask is obviously no less acceptable in that setting than healthcare workers not wearing gloves.... hence IMO, the entire premise, including the elbow bump is 'staged'... intended to show some basic, but not absolute adherence to 'best practices'. I believe the main point was about encouraging blood donations or something... so it was essentially a PSA.

Feel free to believe differently, but quit assuming you know what I'm talking about. You long ago demonstrated that you don't.

Do you honestly think he did this without the OK from the hospital, doctors, and patient? Pence is a guy that most definitely would have asked "Should I wear my mask?"

And he tested Negative before going in there. If there were no "precautions" on the door a mask is voluntary. I use the example when my wife was in the hospital last Spring for Pneumonia, that miraculously showed up one day. There was an "airborne and contact Precaution" sign on the door. All staff were covered. I got so pissed because the "dietary" staff would refuse to bring in her food trays and I would have to go get one everyday. I never once put on a mask the 3 or 4 days she was in the hospital. They can't "make" you do anything unless you are an employee.

(04-29-2020 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Do you honestly think he did this without the OK from the hospital, doctors, and patient? Pence is a guy that most definitely would have asked "Should I wear my mask?"

Absolutely correct.

And if they said 'yes' and for some reason he didn't want to... they would either stage a situation where it would be okay for him not to wear one OR they would decline to participate at all.

Shere just has a strange and mildly disconcerting obsession with me. I think I remind him of his father.

(04-29-2020 02:23 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  They can't "make" you do anything unless you are an employee.

Hipaa
You had a legal right to be there in a patient area with your wife. They certainly can 'make' you stay out of other people's rooms and of course, other patient care areas. If you had brought a camera in and started filming outside your patient room, they certainly CAN make you stop/decline to provide care. I've done it.

The rest of what you said is correct

(04-29-2020 02:27 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(04-29-2020 02:10 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Do you honestly think he did this without the OK from the hospital, doctors, and patient? Pence is a guy that most definitely would have asked "Should I wear my mask?"

Absolutely correct.

And if they said 'yes' and for some reason he didn't want to... they would either stage a situation where it would be okay for him not to wear one OR they would decline to participate at all.

Shere just has a strange and mildly disconcerting obsession with me. I think I remind him of his father.

Close. You remind me of my aunt that smelled funny





Weirdo

(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  The VP can't simply choose to violate hospital policy.... he was (it appears) in a patient care area.... guy sitting on a hospital bed...

Why you'd choose to argue with me about this is literally insane. I'm providing professional knowledge of healthcare law to demonstrate that the OP is ignorant... and despite you agreeing, you're arguing with me about it.

Curious, why is the OP so ignorant? The tweet posted is basically just stating that Pence violated hospital policy, which you seem to be agreeing with.

Was it because of my title asking if he was somehow immune? And yes, cloth masks don't protect you from getting the virus, but according to the mayo clinic N95 masks can, right?

Quote:Cloth masks
While surgical and N95 masks are in short supply, cloth masks are more accessible and reusable. Although cloth masks and N95 masks have different purposes, both are intended to slow the spread of COVID-19. A cloth mask is worn to help protect others in case the wearer has the virus. An N95 mask helps protect the wearer from getting the virus from others.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-cond...t-20485449

Thanks.

Just to be clear on why the OP is an idiot:

1. When Chris Cuomo, WHO HAD CORONAVIRUS, violated quarantine mutlieple times, left the house without a mask and associated with other in close proximity, and infected his wife and kid - *crickets*

2. When George Stenopoulus, WHO HAD CORONAVIRUS, left the house for a walk and took off his mask because of a phone call - *crickets*

3. When Obama violates quarantine and lockdown and plays golf, while riding in golf carts, without a mask - *crickets*

4. When Pence, who we know doesnt have coronovirus because he's tested every morning, talks to a group of people without a mask - *Violent Crapping of Pants*

(04-30-2020 06:18 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Curious, why is the OP so ignorant? The tweet posted is basically just stating that Pence violated hospital policy, which you seem to be agreeing with.

The fact that you think I'm agreeing with it is what makes it wrong.

If the scene is what you think it is, it would be a violation... same with the lack of gloves which is why I mentioned that... and because it would be a violation, that makes it obvious that the scene is not what you think it is.

I am speculating (by the gurney seeming to be in the middle of a large room with no other beds around) this is a non-clinical area staged to look like a clinical area where such protocols would not be applicable in the first place, but it could also be a clinical area that has been cleared for the same purpose and deemed for the period, not to be subject to the rules...

but I know 100% for a fact that there is no hospital in this country where you'd have the conversations about hosting TV and the VP... with I don't know, half a dozen healthcare professionals including either the Medical Director or COO or other highly responsible party... and they would be so obviously conscious of healthcare protocols to make sure that everyone was wearing masks and that they elbow bump (something foreign to a politician and something most Americans would likely have to be reminded of/taught)... and then so blatantly violate healthcare practices on camera.

That is quite literally among the most unreasonable assertions I've ever heard.

It's akin to a sterile room for an ebola patient with everyone in Haz-Mat... Per protocol, you check each others suits... the Dr looks around and says... everyone ready? Yes Dr... Great... before we start but with the patient in the room, lets bring EVS in here with no protection and have them mop one more time.

It's not the same degree, but it's the same logic. It just wouldn't happen.

If he showed up out of the blue at 3am with key people away, MAYBE... but this was clearly planned.

Quote:Was it because of my title asking if he was somehow immune? And yes, cloth masks don't protect you from getting the virus, but according to the mayo clinic N95 masks can, right?

Nobody I saw in that scene is wearing an n95. n95's are rigid and circular. Those are simple 'cough' masks... flexible and rectangular.

HIS immunity wouldn't matter, its a question of transmission.

So the entire premise that this is in some way an issue that is wrong... as is the question of his immunity, since according to your own understanding, everyone in the room wearing a mask but him, certainly WOULD be protecting HIM. That's what you'd do if everyone BUT him was immune.

(04-30-2020 09:15 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Just to be clear on why the OP is an idiot:

1. When Chris Cuomo, WHO HAD CORONAVIRUS, violated quarantine mutlieple times, left the house without a mask and associated with other in close proximity, and infected his wife and kid - *crickets*

2. When George Stenopoulus, WHO HAD CORONAVIRUS, left the house for a walk and took off his mask because of a phone call - *crickets*

3. When Obama violates quarantine and lockdown and plays golf, while riding in golf carts, without a mask - *crickets*

4. When Pence, who we know doesnt have coronovirus because he's tested every morning, talks to a group of people without a mask - *Violent Crapping of Pants*

@perfecto