Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Will there be a football season?
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
Seventyniner Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 954
Joined: Sep 2005
Reputation: 12
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #41
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

This is true, but I think the fact that group 3 is generally bigger than groups 1 and 2 combined by ~2 orders of magnitude needs to be taken into account.

I can see games being played in empty stadiums some time this fall, but I don't think there will be the political will to allow tens of thousands of people to congregate on a regular basis. While most people will get the virus at some point if they go back to even a semblance of normal life, such large gatherings increase the possibility of case clumping.
04-30-2020 01:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ruowls Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,725
Joined: Jul 2005
Reputation: 77
I Root For:
Location:

Football Genius
Post: #42
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-30-2020 01:50 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

This is true, but I think the fact that group 3 is generally bigger than groups 1 and 2 combined by ~2 orders of magnitude needs to be taken into account.

I can see games being played in empty stadiums some time this fall, but I don't think there will be the political will to allow tens of thousands of people to congregate on a regular basis. While most people will get the virus at some point if they go back to even a semblance of normal life, such large gatherings increase the possibility of case clumping.

I agree. I was just noting that although group 3 can be much larger at some events, this group usually has very limited contact from the field and can be isolated in the stands. As such, this group poses a more significant risk to itself and if you eliminate fans in the stands, you mostly just eliminate the risk in the stands and the risk to the participants wouldn't change much.
04-30-2020 02:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OptimisticOwl Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 47,568
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 683
I Root For: Rice
Location: Paradise

The Parliament AwardsNew Orleans BowlFootball GeniusCrappiesDonatorsDonators
Post: #43
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-30-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 01:50 PM)Seventyniner Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

This is true, but I think the fact that group 3 is generally bigger than groups 1 and 2 combined by ~2 orders of magnitude needs to be taken into account.

I can see games being played in empty stadiums some time this fall, but I don't think there will be the political will to allow tens of thousands of people to congregate on a regular basis. While most people will get the virus at some point if they go back to even a semblance of normal life, such large gatherings increase the possibility of case clumping.

I agree. I was just noting that although group 3 can be much larger at some events, this group usually has very limited contact from the field and can be isolated in the stands. As such, this group poses a more significant risk to itself and if you eliminate fans in the stands, you mostly just eliminate the risk in the stands and the risk to the participants wouldn't change much.

As for as fans go, we have a 47,000 seat stadium. I think we could take our normal crowd and impose a 6 foot distance for groups that don't come in together** and fit everybody. And I would expect our crowds to be smaller than usual anyway.

Of course, our antiquated restrooms could be a trouble spot.

**If 2-6 people travel together in a car, I see no reason they should have to sit 6 feet apart.
(This post was last modified: 04-30-2020 02:16 PM by OptimisticOwl.)
04-30-2020 02:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Texasowl Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 99
Joined: Apr 2020
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Rice University
Location:
Post: #44
RE: Will there be a football season?
We will have football but probably a limited schedule. There is too much money involved not to. People in the stands? Why not. Does not effect Rice with our limited attendance.
04-30-2020 07:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
owl at the moon Offline
Eastern Screech Owl
*

Posts: 6,630
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 265
I Root For: rice,smu,uh,unt
Location: 23 mbps from csnbbs
Post: #45
Will there be a football season?
(04-29-2020 02:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am reminded of my old friend Chuck Latourette, who played NFL while in medical school in St. Louis, then came to Houston where he was with the Houston Gamblers of the USFL in three capacities - safety, punter, and team doctor.


(04-29-2020 02:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:11 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  There are 3 potential means for transmission of disease that need to be addressed.

1) The participants: Players and coaches as well as support staff. The players will be mixing with students from their school as well as each other, coaches, opponents and another pool for transmission, game day support staff.

2) Game day support staff: Refs, chain gang, security, stats, vendors, TV or remote streaming staff and maintenance staff. This group will have overlapping contact with the participants as well as possible fans.

3) Fans, spectators: This group will come into contact with each other and group 2 with possibility of limited contact. This limited contact could be a means to bridge transmission from group 3 to group 1.

Testing only players routinely does nothing to prevent possible transmission from group 2 or 3. It also doesn't limit contact and exposure from other students. Testing participants would only ensure that they are not carrying the disease at the time of testing. They still are at risk of transmission from group 2 or 3. Testing ALL individuals from ALL groups before a game would be most difficult.

Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

So, this all comes back to what is the risk of disease to individuals. Also, if the spread is greater than known current prevalence, then there will be greater herd immunity in the fall which will minimize the risk even further. The vaccine is just a way to augment herd immunity by artificial means. And if herd immunity is already present, then what is the true risk? And as states open back up, herd immunity will continue to increase prior to the season.

In my opinion, we can't eliminate exposure to the virus. Even with a vaccine, we don't eliminate exposure. We increase herd immunity by artificial means. But if herd immunity is already present to a significant degree, what increase will a vaccine give? It would protect only those who didn't contract the virus and would be at risk for an adverse outcome if so exposed. And just how big is this risk? Probably not very big of a number. Life carries a certain amount of risk. So the question is if holding the upcoming season increases this risk for individuals? Unfortunately, we can't say for certain what the risk is. So, some predict the worse. Even if it is along the lines of a meteoroid falling from space and hitting a section in the stadium.

I would gladly be the medical staff at games and screen whoever I had to to get games to be played.

Good summary.

We appreciate your generous offer to be the medical staff, but many of us would rather you be at the games coaching.

Probably all of us.


The more jobs everybody can do, the fewer people need to be on hand. Safer that way. Win, win, win.

Bring back limited substitution rule, trim the roster... backups can hold the chains.

Officiating can be done remotely from league HQ.
04-30-2020 09:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OptimisticOwl Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 47,568
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 683
I Root For: Rice
Location: Paradise

The Parliament AwardsNew Orleans BowlFootball GeniusCrappiesDonatorsDonators
Post: #46
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-30-2020 09:13 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Officiating can be done remotely from league HQ.

Or we could just spin a wheel after every play. Quicker and more accurate than CUSA officials.
04-30-2020 09:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cr11owl Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,203
Joined: Feb 2009
Reputation: 19
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #47
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-30-2020 10:49 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:29 AM)75src Wrote:  Too much of the learning experience is lost with on-line only. Much of the experience comes from interacting with other students and participating in college activities. The learning is not just from lectures.

(04-28-2020 06:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  
(04-28-2020 04:40 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  How about the night before each practice?

Test them every week if you have to. Life needs to go on. Kids need to be back on campus. COVID19 isn't "novel" anymore, and college students get over it easily. My bet is that the season and the school year go on as previously planned. Things go back to normal within the next three months.

We'll probably see large lecture-based classes go completely online for the lecture component. Students will watch the lectures on their own time, and class time will be focused on interaction/direct instruction. Smaller groups of students will work with TAs/professors to solve problems or dive deeper into specific topics brought up in the lectures during the class time.

Some courses have started migrating to that format already, and it is fairly easy to implement.

Yup, I agree with this assessment-- I think school will start (perhaps delayed up to a month, depending on where things are at) with some combination of online and in-class courses. The biggest problem for the University to grapple with is how to work social distancing in the residential colleges, particularly at meal time. There is a liability issue Lebron and the BOTs need to consider-- not only from students/parents, but also professors and campus staff.

Have all students sign a liability waiver for living on campus. The risk to anyone 18-22 years old is minimal enough that on a campus of 4000 maybe a couple would have “serious” cases. It’s more likely someone will get in a severe car crash during the school year. Texas overall has only registered 3 deaths per 100k residents so far. Almost everyone is going to catch it at some point or we’re going to develop a vaccine to artificially mimic that. The only people who should bother themselves with worry are immunocompromised students who can take classes remotely and not set foot on campus.
05-01-2020 12:02 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
waltgreenberg Online
Legend
*

Posts: 26,668
Joined: Feb 2006
Reputation: 135
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Chicago

The Parliament Awards
Post: #48
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 12:02 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:49 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:29 AM)75src Wrote:  Too much of the learning experience is lost with on-line only. Much of the experience comes from interacting with other students and participating in college activities. The learning is not just from lectures.

(04-28-2020 06:06 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Test them every week if you have to. Life needs to go on. Kids need to be back on campus. COVID19 isn't "novel" anymore, and college students get over it easily. My bet is that the season and the school year go on as previously planned. Things go back to normal within the next three months.

We'll probably see large lecture-based classes go completely online for the lecture component. Students will watch the lectures on their own time, and class time will be focused on interaction/direct instruction. Smaller groups of students will work with TAs/professors to solve problems or dive deeper into specific topics brought up in the lectures during the class time.

Some courses have started migrating to that format already, and it is fairly easy to implement.

Yup, I agree with this assessment-- I think school will start (perhaps delayed up to a month, depending on where things are at) with some combination of online and in-class courses. The biggest problem for the University to grapple with is how to work social distancing in the residential colleges, particularly at meal time. There is a liability issue Lebron and the BOTs need to consider-- not only from students/parents, but also professors and campus staff.

Have all students sign a liability waiver for living on campus. The risk to anyone 18-22 years old is minimal enough that on a campus of 4000 maybe a couple would have “serious” cases. It’s more likely someone will get in a severe car crash during the school year. Texas overall has only registered 3 deaths per 100k residents so far. Almost everyone is going to catch it at some point or we’re going to develop a vaccine to artificially mimic that. The only people who should bother themselves with worry are immunocompromised students who can take classes remotely and not set foot on campus.

You do realize 18 - 22 year old students are not the only people on campus, right?
05-01-2020 07:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fort Bend Owl Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,593
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 327
I Root For: An easy win
Location:

The Parliament Awards
Post: #49
RE: Will there be a football season?
https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...k-practice

Iowa president says he expects football players back on campus June 1st to start practice (a very odd statement since his school like all others is online this semester, and the normal reporting date for FB players would probably be late July?). Statements like these should give everyone a strong indication almost every FCS school will try to play the 2020 season as scheduled (whether it goes thru bowl season without interruption is a different matter).

The only exceptions offhand would be a couple of FCS schools who still might be considered in an epicenter - Michigan is probably the most prominent example. Others would be Northwestern, Rutgers and Tulane. And then I guess see if anything else emerges between now and August.
(This post was last modified: 05-01-2020 07:43 AM by Fort Bend Owl.)
05-01-2020 07:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tomball Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,790
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 55
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Comal County
Post: #50
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 07:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...k-practice

Iowa president says he expects football players back on campus June 1st to start practice (a very odd statement since his school like all others is online this semester, and the normal reporting date for FB players would probably be late July?). Statements like these should give everyone a strong indication almost every FCS school will try to play the 2020 season as scheduled (whether it goes thru bowl season without interruption is a different matter).

The only exceptions offhand would be a couple of FCS schools who still might be considered in an epicenter - Michigan is probably the most prominent example. Others would be Northwestern, Rutgers and Tulane. And then I guess see if anything else emerges between now and August.

FCS?
05-01-2020 07:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fort Bend Owl Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,593
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 327
I Root For: An easy win
Location:

The Parliament Awards
Post: #51
RE: Will there be a football season?
Sorry - FBS. I always get FBS and FCS confused. It was easier to remember when it was NCAA D1A and D1-AA IMO.
05-01-2020 08:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cr11owl Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,203
Joined: Feb 2009
Reputation: 19
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #52
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 07:15 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 12:02 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:49 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:39 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(04-30-2020 10:29 AM)75src Wrote:  Too much of the learning experience is lost with on-line only. Much of the experience comes from interacting with other students and participating in college activities. The learning is not just from lectures.

We'll probably see large lecture-based classes go completely online for the lecture component. Students will watch the lectures on their own time, and class time will be focused on interaction/direct instruction. Smaller groups of students will work with TAs/professors to solve problems or dive deeper into specific topics brought up in the lectures during the class time.

Some courses have started migrating to that format already, and it is fairly easy to implement.

Yup, I agree with this assessment-- I think school will start (perhaps delayed up to a month, depending on where things are at) with some combination of online and in-class courses. The biggest problem for the University to grapple with is how to work social distancing in the residential colleges, particularly at meal time. There is a liability issue Lebron and the BOTs need to consider-- not only from students/parents, but also professors and campus staff.

Have all students sign a liability waiver for living on campus. The risk to anyone 18-22 years old is minimal enough that on a campus of 4000 maybe a couple would have “serious” cases. It’s more likely someone will get in a severe car crash during the school year. Texas overall has only registered 3 deaths per 100k residents so far. Almost everyone is going to catch it at some point or we’re going to develop a vaccine to artificially mimic that. The only people who should bother themselves with worry are immunocompromised students who can take classes remotely and not set foot on campus.

You do realize 18 - 22 year old students are not the only people on campus, right?

How many people over 60 are in the residential colleges? Professors can still lecture from the front of a classroom, stay at least 6ft away from anyone else, and wash their hands frequently. The measures in place now were supposed to prevent the hospital systems from being overwhelmed not stop everyone from catching COVID-19. Hospitals aren’t overwhelmed so it’s time to return to having a life. The virus isn’t going away.
05-01-2020 08:23 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tomball Owl Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,790
Joined: Oct 2005
Reputation: 55
I Root For: Rice Owls
Location: Comal County
Post: #53
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 08:05 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Sorry - FBS. I always get FBS and FCS confused. It was easier to remember when it was NCAA D1A and D1-AA IMO.

Figured you did. It would have been major news if Michigan, Northwestern, Tulane, etc., had dropped from FBS to FCS.

And I agree it was easier to follow when the split was D1A, D1-AA, D2, D3, etc. Whether explicit or not, there is clearly now a FBS-1A and a FBS-1AA, or some such split. Maybe just call it FBS-Haves and FBS-Have Nots?
05-01-2020 11:06 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
westsidewolf1989 Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,245
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 57
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #54
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 07:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...k-practice

Iowa president says he expects football players back on campus June 1st to start practice (a very odd statement since his school like all others is online this semester, and the normal reporting date for FB players would probably be late July?). Statements like these should give everyone a strong indication almost every FCS school will try to play the 2020 season as scheduled (whether it goes thru bowl season without interruption is a different matter).

The only exceptions offhand would be a couple of FCS schools who still might be considered in an epicenter - Michigan is probably the most prominent example. Others would be Northwestern, Rutgers and Tulane. And then I guess see if anything else emerges between now and August.

The only thing I could think he means by June 1 is freshman / incoming players. I believe freshman players show up at some point in June (although June 1 seems early) to start acclimating workouts / practices and take classes. My freshman year roommates were all football players and they had been at Rice since mid-June when I showed up on O-Week.
05-01-2020 11:11 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rice Dad Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 30
Joined: Jul 2019
Reputation: 0
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #55
RE: Will there be a football season?
(05-01-2020 11:11 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(05-01-2020 07:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...k-practice

Iowa president says he expects football players back on campus June 1st to start practice (a very odd statement since his school like all others is online this semester, and the normal reporting date for FB players would probably be late July?). Statements like these should give everyone a strong indication almost every FCS school will try to play the 2020 season as scheduled (whether it goes thru bowl season without interruption is a different matter).

The only exceptions offhand would be a couple of FCS schools who still might be considered in an epicenter - Michigan is probably the most prominent example. Others would be Northwestern, Rutgers and Tulane. And then I guess see if anything else emerges between now and August.

The only thing I could think he means by June 1 is freshman / incoming players. I believe freshman players show up at some point in June (although June 1 seems early) to start acclimating workouts / practices and take classes. My freshman year roommates were all football players and they had been at Rice since mid-June when I showed up on O-Week.

All FBS football kids report in June for summer school, conditioning, and meetings through June and July. Fall camp starts in August. That means we are about 30 days away from football kids reporting to FBS colleges on the normal schedule - those same colleges are not having on campus summer school. So, June reporting for football is not happening and the season will be likely be delayed, at the very least, in my opinion. The NCAA is not going to allow some teams to workout while others can't due to state quarantine, etc., so ultimately the NCAA will determine when football can start doing anything.
05-01-2020 12:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GoodOwl Online
The 1 Hoo Knocks
*

Posts: 14,196
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 616
I Root For: New Horizons
Location: Planiverse
Post: #56
RE: Will there be a football season?
(04-30-2020 09:13 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am reminded of my old friend Chuck Latourette, who played NFL while in medical school in St. Louis, then came to Houston where he was with the Houston Gamblers of the USFL in three capacities - safety, punter, and team doctor.

(04-29-2020 02:11 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  There are 3 potential means for transmission of disease that need to be addressed.

1) The participants: Players and coaches as well as support staff. The players will be mixing with students from their school as well as each other, coaches, opponents and another pool for transmission, game day support staff.

2) Game day support staff: Refs, chain gang, security, stats, vendors, TV or remote streaming staff and maintenance staff. This group will have overlapping contact with the participants as well as possible fans.

3) Fans, spectators: This group will come into contact with each other and group 2 with possibility of limited contact. This limited contact could be a means to bridge transmission from group 3 to group 1.

Testing only players routinely does nothing to prevent possible transmission from group 2 or 3. It also doesn't limit contact and exposure from other students. Testing participants would only ensure that they are not carrying the disease at the time of testing. They still are at risk of transmission from group 2 or 3. Testing ALL individuals from ALL groups before a game would be most difficult.

Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

So, this all comes back to what is the risk of disease to individuals. Also, if the spread is greater than known current prevalence, then there will be greater herd immunity in the fall which will minimize the risk even further. The vaccine is just a way to augment herd immunity by artificial means. And if herd immunity is already present, then what is the true risk? And as states open back up, herd immunity will continue to increase prior to the season.

In my opinion, we can't eliminate exposure to the virus. Even with a vaccine, we don't eliminate exposure. We increase herd immunity by artificial means. But if herd immunity is already present to a significant degree, what increase will a vaccine give? It would protect only those who didn't contract the virus and would be at risk for an adverse outcome if so exposed. And just how big is this risk? Probably not very big of a number. Life carries a certain amount of risk. So the question is if holding the upcoming season increases this risk for individuals? Unfortunately, we can't say for certain what the risk is. So, some predict the worse. Even if it is along the lines of a meteoroid falling from space and hitting a section in the stadium.

I would gladly be the medical staff at games and screen whoever I had to to get games to be played.

Good summary.

We appreciate your generous offer to be the medical staff, but many of us would rather you be at the games coaching.

Probably all of us.

Step 1: Name RU Owls new Head Coach.
Step 2: Rule that due to coronabug, only teams with Head Coaches who are Doctors can play football this season.
Step 3: Rice wins first National Champ in Football, and 2nd NC for the school!
05-01-2020 09:46 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
OptimisticOwl Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 47,568
Joined: Apr 2005
Reputation: 683
I Root For: Rice
Location: Paradise

The Parliament AwardsNew Orleans BowlFootball GeniusCrappiesDonatorsDonators
Post: #57
RE: Will there be a football season?
05-02-2020 08:57 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
owl at the moon Offline
Eastern Screech Owl
*

Posts: 6,630
Joined: Aug 2013
Reputation: 265
I Root For: rice,smu,uh,unt
Location: 23 mbps from csnbbs
Post: #58
Will there be a football season?
(05-02-2020 08:57 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Most impacted


Good catch. Game changer for LSU.
Early line swings from LSU -28 to maybe Rice -1.5

(Or, maybe to LSU -27.5)
05-04-2020 01:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
75src Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,412
Joined: Mar 2009
Reputation: 21
I Root For: Rice
Location:
Post: #59
RE: Will there be a football season?
The glory days for Rice where when there was limited substitution and small rosters. I think unlimited substitution started around 1964. Neely was better at working with a small group of players and I think the university limited itself to bringing in 40 freshman for all sports.

(04-30-2020 09:13 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:26 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am reminded of my old friend Chuck Latourette, who played NFL while in medical school in St. Louis, then came to Houston where he was with the Houston Gamblers of the USFL in three capacities - safety, punter, and team doctor.


(04-29-2020 02:23 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:11 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  
(04-29-2020 02:07 PM)ruowls Wrote:  There are 3 potential means for transmission of disease that need to be addressed.

1) The participants: Players and coaches as well as support staff. The players will be mixing with students from their school as well as each other, coaches, opponents and another pool for transmission, game day support staff.

2) Game day support staff: Refs, chain gang, security, stats, vendors, TV or remote streaming staff and maintenance staff. This group will have overlapping contact with the participants as well as possible fans.

3) Fans, spectators: This group will come into contact with each other and group 2 with possibility of limited contact. This limited contact could be a means to bridge transmission from group 3 to group 1.

Testing only players routinely does nothing to prevent possible transmission from group 2 or 3. It also doesn't limit contact and exposure from other students. Testing participants would only ensure that they are not carrying the disease at the time of testing. They still are at risk of transmission from group 2 or 3. Testing ALL individuals from ALL groups before a game would be most difficult.

Even if you exclude fans (minimize group 3), you still have an open system with the possibility of transmission into group 1 from group 2 which is a must to conduct a contest.

So, this all comes back to what is the risk of disease to individuals. Also, if the spread is greater than known current prevalence, then there will be greater herd immunity in the fall which will minimize the risk even further. The vaccine is just a way to augment herd immunity by artificial means. And if herd immunity is already present, then what is the true risk? And as states open back up, herd immunity will continue to increase prior to the season.

In my opinion, we can't eliminate exposure to the virus. Even with a vaccine, we don't eliminate exposure. We increase herd immunity by artificial means. But if herd immunity is already present to a significant degree, what increase will a vaccine give? It would protect only those who didn't contract the virus and would be at risk for an adverse outcome if so exposed. And just how big is this risk? Probably not very big of a number. Life carries a certain amount of risk. So the question is if holding the upcoming season increases this risk for individuals? Unfortunately, we can't say for certain what the risk is. So, some predict the worse. Even if it is along the lines of a meteoroid falling from space and hitting a section in the stadium.

I would gladly be the medical staff at games and screen whoever I had to to get games to be played.

Good summary.

We appreciate your generous offer to be the medical staff, but many of us would rather you be at the games coaching.

Probably all of us.


The more jobs everybody can do, the fewer people need to be on hand. Safer that way. Win, win, win.

Bring back limited substitution rule, trim the roster... backups can hold the chains.

Officiating can be done remotely from league HQ.
05-04-2020 10:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fort Bend Owl Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,593
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 327
I Root For: An easy win
Location:

The Parliament Awards
Post: #60
RE: Will there be a football season?
Rice fans are hearty souls. We've been coming to games for years with the possibility of large chunks of Rice Stadium falling and crushing us to pieces instantly. I just don't know which odds are greater between the two potential calamities.
05-05-2020 06:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 2 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2020 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2020 MyBB Group.