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Conference Realignment Conceptualized
Conference realignment has gotten a ton of buzz in light of the economic impacts of the viral pandemic. The writing is on the wall, these far-flung, low revenue conferences are not sustainable. Even if they were, they could be improved upon and aren't business savvy. I'm actually feeling as optimistic on this topic as I have in a while, and I think improvement is inevitable. The only question is how significant will the improvement be?

Here are the four most important considerations for ODU's conference future. I've broken them down into 4 sections.

1. The priority should be to get in the current AAC. I am of the belief that this is not a very likely outcome; but it is absolutely the best case scenario and would raise our athletic profile. If the administration is doing their job, they are making a hard and persistent sales pitch to the AAC brass.

The AAC will add a new team in the immediate future. NCAA rules state that you must have 12 teams (AAC has 11) to play a conference championship game. You can play a conference championship game with less than 12 (Big XII has 10) if you play a full round-robin schedule. This is very difficult to do with 11 teams, and I know the AAC wants to have available OOC games to schedule P5 schools. The AAC has been given a waiver on this requirement through 2021. A domino will fall soon.

2. In the likely event we don't get into the AAC, we need to make the most of our immediate situation. We absolutely must form a more condensed regional conference. I believe the only two conferences that will be a part of this game are CUSA and the SunBelt. The MAC already has what we want, regionality and natural rivals, so I don't think we could get any defectors from there.

There seem to be 2 options with creating a more regional conference. Option A, certain schools defect and cherry pick to create a new conference. Option B, CUSA and SunBelt come together, and split the schools on regional lines.

Option A: Under this option relevant bylaws state that in order to receive an auto-bid as a conference, defections must include 7 schools who have existed together in the same conference for 8 years. So likely CUSA-East would break off, although I'd love to have UAB as well. That would give us 8 schools, and from there we could add any combination of App State, Georgia State, UMass, and Ohio and find a bunch of value. This would probably be the preferable option because we wouldn't have to take as much chop liver from the SunBelt.

Option B: This is probably the easier route logistically, and we might be able to avoid the bylaws considered in option A with this option. If two conferences come together and distribute all teams into two new regional conferences, its conceivable that the NCAA would waive the relevant bylaws and both conferences could retain an auto-bid. Ideally, I'd like to see App State, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, Georgia State, Old Dominion, UAB, WKU. I think it would be wise to lobby to stay in a smaller conference with higher value schools that are superior in basketball. This would also set us up better for upcoming consideration 3. Although realistically with option B we'd probably have to take on Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and F_U, as much as we don't like them.

3. This is the wildcard, this is speculation, but it's also where a lot of the fun comes in. Around 2023-2024 a lot of the P5 TV contracts expire. When negotiating for new contracts, a few of these P5s may see it in their interest to poach the relatively precarious Big XII. Under a few possibilities , Texas and Oklahoma would defect. From there, Kansas would not see the value in the Big XII and would be welcomed elsewhere as a hoops blue blood. Oklahoma St could potentially be an attractive option for a lot of conferences too. That would leave the Big XII with 6 teams that still have a big enough brand to attract AAC schools. Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and UCF are the highest profile AAC teams and they would gladly defect to join the new Big XII.

The remaining misfits in the AAC would not have the same pull that the previous misfits of the Big XII had. The remaining AAC brands in this scenario would not provide enough media revenue their own merits to break up the newly formed CUSA/Sunbelt (East/West) conferences. Likely, these 7 misfits would in turn join with the most logical conference based on regionality. So for the Eastern conference we are in, that would mean Temple, ECU, and Navy definitely align with us. USF would have a choice to make, but both CUSA and SunBelt would offer them.

4. The final step in realignment would be to poach non-football members. Perhaps after all is said and done, we'd have enough clout as a conference to poach VCU, Dayton, Wichita State, Richmond, and George Mason.


All in all, this is probably what we're looking at if we go with Option B from section 2:

New Eastern Conference:

App State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina (begrudgingly)
Florida Atlantic (begrudgingly)
Florida International (begrudgingly)
Marshall
MTSU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

ECU (if option 3 works out!)
Navy (if option 3 works out!)
Temple (if option 3 works out!)
USF (if option 3 works out!)

Ideally, we could replace Coastal Carolina, F_Us, and Georgia Southern with schools like Ohio, UMass, or Buffalo. Regardless, this is a clear upgrade from where we are at now. Whatever we end up with will be better than what we currently have, but not perfect.

New Western Conference:

Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Texas State
Troy
UL Monroe
UTEP
UTSA

SMU (if option 3 works out!)
Tulane (if option 3 works out!)
Tulsa (if option 3 works out!)
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RE: Conference Realignment Conceptualized
ODU centric, rose-colored glasses, travel partner league:

(within 2 hours of each other)
ODU-ECU
TEMPLE-NAVY
CHARLOTTE-APP
MARSHALL-OHIO
UAB-GA STATE
JMU-LIB

Of course the AAC teams would be out unless the BIG XII raids them when the GOR rights are up. Ohio would have to be convinced to leave the MAC. UAB would have to WANT to come East. JMU would have to want to be FBS. NAVY might look at this collective group and say “F*** it, let’s go Independent!” (Delaware ??)
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RE: Conference Realignment Conceptualized
(04-24-2020 10:06 PM)ODUi Wrote:  ODU centric, rose-colored glasses, travel partner league:

(within 2 hours of each other)
ODU-ECU
TEMPLE-NAVY
CHARLOTTE-APP
MARSHALL-OHIO
UAB-GA STATE
JMU-LIB

Of course the AAC teams would be out unless the BIG XII raids them when the GOR rights are up. Ohio would have to be convinced to leave the MAC. UAB would have to WANT to come East. JMU would have to want to be FBS. NAVY might look at this collective group and say “F*** it, let’s go Independent!” (Delaware ??)
Drop Georgia State and UAB and that would be decent, though unrealistic.

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RE: Conference Realignment Conceptualized
The Coastal Virginia Conference

ODU
NSU
Hampton
CNU
Va Wesleyan
Regent
EVMS
W&M

Maybe an esports league or chess club. lol
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(04-24-2020 07:14 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Conference realignment has gotten a ton of buzz in light of the economic impacts of the viral pandemic. The writing is on the wall, these far-flung, low revenue conferences are not sustainable. Even if they were, they could be improved upon and aren't business savvy. I'm actually feeling as optimistic on this topic as I have in a while, and I think improvement is inevitable. The only question is how significant will the improvement be?

Here are the four most important considerations for ODU's conference future. I've broken them down into 4 sections.

1. The priority should be to get in the current AAC. I am of the belief that this is not a very likely outcome; but it is absolutely the best case scenario and would raise our athletic profile. If the administration is doing their job, they are making a hard and persistent sales pitch to the AAC brass.

The AAC will add a new team in the immediate future. NCAA rules state that you must have 12 teams (AAC has 11) to play a conference championship game. You can play a conference championship game with less than 12 (Big XII has 10) if you play a full round-robin schedule. This is very difficult to do with 11 teams, and I know the AAC wants to have available OOC games to schedule P5 schools. The AAC has been given a waiver on this requirement through 2021. A domino will fall soon.

2. In the likely event we don't get into the AAC, we need to make the most of our immediate situation. We absolutely must form a more condensed regional conference. I believe the only two conferences that will be a part of this game are CUSA and the SunBelt. The MAC already has what we want, regionality and natural rivals, so I don't think we could get any defectors from there.

There seem to be 2 options with creating a more regional conference. Option A, certain schools defect and cherry pick to create a new conference. Option B, CUSA and SunBelt come together, and split the schools on regional lines.

Option A: Under this option relevant bylaws state that in order to receive an auto-bid as a conference, defections must include 7 schools who have existed together in the same conference for 8 years. So likely CUSA-East would break off, although I'd love to have UAB as well. That would give us 8 schools, and from there we could add any combination of App State, Georgia State, UMass, and Ohio and find a bunch of value. This would probably be the preferable option because we wouldn't have to take as much chop liver from the SunBelt.

Option B: This is probably the easier route logistically, and we might be able to avoid the bylaws considered in option A with this option. If two conferences come together and distribute all teams into two new regional conferences, its conceivable that the NCAA would waive the relevant bylaws and both conferences could retain an auto-bid. Ideally, I'd like to see App State, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, Georgia State, Old Dominion, UAB, WKU. I think it would be wise to lobby to stay in a smaller conference with higher value schools that are superior in basketball. This would also set us up better for upcoming consideration 3. Although realistically with option B we'd probably have to take on Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and F_U, as much as we don't like them.

3. This is the wildcard, this is speculation, but it's also where a lot of the fun comes in. Around 2023-2024 a lot of the P5 TV contracts expire. When negotiating for new contracts, a few of these P5s may see it in their interest to poach the relatively precarious Big XII. Under a few possibilities , Texas and Oklahoma would defect. From there, Kansas would not see the value in the Big XII and would be welcomed elsewhere as a hoops blue blood. Oklahoma St could potentially be an attractive option for a lot of conferences too. That would leave the Big XII with 6 teams that still have a big enough brand to attract AAC schools. Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and UCF are the highest profile AAC teams and they would gladly defect to join the new Big XII.

The remaining misfits in the AAC would not have the same pull that the previous misfits of the Big XII had. The remaining AAC brands in this scenario would not provide enough media revenue their own merits to break up the newly formed CUSA/Sunbelt (East/West) conferences. Likely, these 7 misfits would in turn join with the most logical conference based on regionality. So for the Eastern conference we are in, that would mean Temple, ECU, and Navy definitely align with us. USF would have a choice to make, but both CUSA and SunBelt would offer them.

4. The final step in realignment would be to poach non-football members. Perhaps after all is said and done, we'd have enough clout as a conference to poach VCU, Dayton, Wichita State, Richmond, and George Mason.


All in all, this is probably what we're looking at if we go with Option B from section 2:

New Eastern Conference:

App State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina (begrudgingly)
Florida Atlantic (begrudgingly)
Florida International (begrudgingly)
Marshall
MTSU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

ECU (if option 3 works out!)
Navy (if option 3 works out!)
Temple (if option 3 works out!)
USF (if option 3 works out!)

Ideally, we could replace Coastal Carolina, F_Us, and Georgia Southern with schools like Ohio, UMass, or Buffalo. Regardless, this is a clear upgrade from where we are at now. Whatever we end up with will be better than what we currently have, but not perfect.

New Western Conference:

Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Texas State
Troy
UL Monroe
UTEP
UTSA

SMU (if option 3 works out!)
Tulane (if option 3 works out!)
Tulsa (if option 3 works out!)

The twelve team rule was removed (mostly to appease to the Big XII) after the 2015 season.
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(04-26-2020 11:45 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(04-24-2020 07:14 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Conference realignment has gotten a ton of buzz in light of the economic impacts of the viral pandemic. The writing is on the wall, these far-flung, low revenue conferences are not sustainable. Even if they were, they could be improved upon and aren't business savvy. I'm actually feeling as optimistic on this topic as I have in a while, and I think improvement is inevitable. The only question is how significant will the improvement be?

Here are the four most important considerations for ODU's conference future. I've broken them down into 4 sections.

1. The priority should be to get in the current AAC. I am of the belief that this is not a very likely outcome; but it is absolutely the best case scenario and would raise our athletic profile. If the administration is doing their job, they are making a hard and persistent sales pitch to the AAC brass.

The AAC will add a new team in the immediate future. NCAA rules state that you must have 12 teams (AAC has 11) to play a conference championship game. You can play a conference championship game with less than 12 (Big XII has 10) if you play a full round-robin schedule. This is very difficult to do with 11 teams, and I know the AAC wants to have available OOC games to schedule P5 schools. The AAC has been given a waiver on this requirement through 2021. A domino will fall soon.

2. In the likely event we don't get into the AAC, we need to make the most of our immediate situation. We absolutely must form a more condensed regional conference. I believe the only two conferences that will be a part of this game are CUSA and the SunBelt. The MAC already has what we want, regionality and natural rivals, so I don't think we could get any defectors from there.

There seem to be 2 options with creating a more regional conference. Option A, certain schools defect and cherry pick to create a new conference. Option B, CUSA and SunBelt come together, and split the schools on regional lines.

Option A: Under this option relevant bylaws state that in order to receive an auto-bid as a conference, defections must include 7 schools who have existed together in the same conference for 8 years. So likely CUSA-East would break off, although I'd love to have UAB as well. That would give us 8 schools, and from there we could add any combination of App State, Georgia State, UMass, and Ohio and find a bunch of value. This would probably be the preferable option because we wouldn't have to take as much chop liver from the SunBelt.

Option B: This is probably the easier route logistically, and we might be able to avoid the bylaws considered in option A with this option. If two conferences come together and distribute all teams into two new regional conferences, its conceivable that the NCAA would waive the relevant bylaws and both conferences could retain an auto-bid. Ideally, I'd like to see App State, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, Georgia State, Old Dominion, UAB, WKU. I think it would be wise to lobby to stay in a smaller conference with higher value schools that are superior in basketball. This would also set us up better for upcoming consideration 3. Although realistically with option B we'd probably have to take on Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern, and F_U, as much as we don't like them.

3. This is the wildcard, this is speculation, but it's also where a lot of the fun comes in. Around 2023-2024 a lot of the P5 TV contracts expire. When negotiating for new contracts, a few of these P5s may see it in their interest to poach the relatively precarious Big XII. Under a few possibilities , Texas and Oklahoma would defect. From there, Kansas would not see the value in the Big XII and would be welcomed elsewhere as a hoops blue blood. Oklahoma St could potentially be an attractive option for a lot of conferences too. That would leave the Big XII with 6 teams that still have a big enough brand to attract AAC schools. Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, and UCF are the highest profile AAC teams and they would gladly defect to join the new Big XII.

The remaining misfits in the AAC would not have the same pull that the previous misfits of the Big XII had. The remaining AAC brands in this scenario would not provide enough media revenue their own merits to break up the newly formed CUSA/Sunbelt (East/West) conferences. Likely, these 7 misfits would in turn join with the most logical conference based on regionality. So for the Eastern conference we are in, that would mean Temple, ECU, and Navy definitely align with us. USF would have a choice to make, but both CUSA and SunBelt would offer them.

4. The final step in realignment would be to poach non-football members. Perhaps after all is said and done, we'd have enough clout as a conference to poach VCU, Dayton, Wichita State, Richmond, and George Mason.


All in all, this is probably what we're looking at if we go with Option B from section 2:

New Eastern Conference:

App State
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina (begrudgingly)
Florida Atlantic (begrudgingly)
Florida International (begrudgingly)
Marshall
MTSU
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Old Dominion
UAB
WKU

ECU (if option 3 works out!)
Navy (if option 3 works out!)
Temple (if option 3 works out!)
USF (if option 3 works out!)

Ideally, we could replace Coastal Carolina, F_Us, and Georgia Southern with schools like Ohio, UMass, or Buffalo. Regardless, this is a clear upgrade from where we are at now. Whatever we end up with will be better than what we currently have, but not perfect.

New Western Conference:

Arkansas State
Louisiana
Louisiana Tech
North Texas
Rice
South Alabama
Southern Miss
Texas State
Troy
UL Monroe
UTEP
UTSA

SMU (if option 3 works out!)
Tulane (if option 3 works out!)
Tulsa (if option 3 works out!)

The twelve team rule was removed (mostly to appease to the Big XII) after the 2015 season.

They want to not have divisions though and take their top two which they can only do with a true round robin (which the Big 12 does) and can only do that if they have a 10 game conference schedule (which they won't) so they currently have a waiver to do what they want but would otherwise need to form uneven divisions which would result in crazy schedules like we had during UAB's hiatus. If their waiver doesn't get extended or made rule they don't have a lot of pleasant options but could certainly still afford to wait.
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How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.
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(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

From a footprint standpoint, it is not very different at all. From a cache, exposure and financial standpoint it is very different. If CUSA paid out $5million+ to each team and had most games on actual TV, and we played teams our fans have heard of (Like Navy, Temple, ECU, So Fla, Memphis UCF, Cincinnati) it would be a no brainer. Those are the things that make the geographic ridiculousness of it worth it. And the extra millions of dollars more than pays for it. Plus a multi-bid basketball league.
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(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

The AAC has a far better media deal, a far better national presence and provide far better intraconference opponents. The P6 thing is PR bluster BS that nobody outside of the front office and the echo chambers online takes seriously, but let's not act as though they're completely interchangeable with CUSA and the Belt.

It's not the footprint, it's whether the ROI on playing in such a large footprint is worth it. CUSA gives less payoff than the AAC, but more than say if the Big South or CAA were spread out that much. By the same token, if for some unknowable reason any P5 invited ODU, they'd kill all our mothers to accept, because the benefits would far outweigh the increase in travel costs and class time missed.
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(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

Not sure how the money works out, but at least the AAC is usually a respectable basketball league... enough where we could play for at-large bids and get games on TV. I'd still prefer the A10 for basketball because the AAC advantage vaporizes once Memphis, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati inevitably walk.
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(04-27-2020 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

Not sure how the money works out, but at least the AAC is usually a respectable basketball league... enough where we could play for at-large bids and get games on TV. I'd still prefer the A10 for basketball because the AAC advantage vaporizes once Memphis, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati inevitably walk.

I don't see their departures as being a sure thing tbh. They all put on a show for the Big 12 a few years ago and were told thanks but no thanks. I suppose it's possible that Texas and Oklahoma trigger a mass exodus that forces a rump Big 12 to invite who they can from the AAC and MWC (and maybe Rice) to create a tweener conference, but if that happened, my guess is they'd have enough votes to force a dissolution, or at least compel it with luxurious parting gifts for the schools that couldn't find a power-conference home.

I'm sure most of the AAC would love to move up to the power conference ranks, but I don't see many easy paths there. And even if some of them left, there'd be enough that they'd be a better fit for ODU than CUSA *or* the A10, especially if they backfilled with good schools.
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(04-27-2020 02:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

Not sure how the money works out, but at least the AAC is usually a respectable basketball league... enough where we could play for at-large bids and get games on TV. I'd still prefer the A10 for basketball because the AAC advantage vaporizes once Memphis, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati inevitably walk.

I don't see their departures as being a sure thing tbh. They all put on a show for the Big 12 a few years ago and were told thanks but no thanks. I suppose it's possible that Texas and Oklahoma trigger a mass exodus that forces a rump Big 12 to invite who they can from the AAC and MWC (and maybe Rice) to create a tweener conference, but if that happened, my guess is they'd have enough votes to force a dissolution, or at least compel it with luxurious parting gifts for the schools that couldn't find a power-conference home.

I'm sure most of the AAC would love to move up to the power conference ranks, but I don't see many easy paths there. And even if some of them left, there'd be enough that they'd be a better fit for ODU than CUSA *or* the A10, especially if they backfilled with good schools.

I don't see their departures as being a thing at all, at least not until the end of the GoRs in 2025. And with the SEC not needing one, and the ACC's decade extension, that leaves only The B1G, the Big XII and the PAC 12 in play even then.

Unless something completely unexpected happens with the B1G, or Texas and/or OK somehow get an SEC invite, nothing is going to happen.
If the Big XII was going to expand, they would have last year. Instead they rebuffed some AAC program overtures.

Done.
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(04-27-2020 06:33 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 02:56 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 01:41 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 10:15 AM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  How is the AAC any different from a footprint standpoint than CUSA? It's basically the exact same footprint. Not sure why the AAC is always looked at as the best option. It's as far flung as any of the other conferences. Also, are we sure they are immune to the financial pressures others are facing? They, too, might need to break-up and consolidate into a more regional fit. Perhaps a mix of AAC / CUSA / Sun Belt by region will be the solution.

Not sure how the money works out, but at least the AAC is usually a respectable basketball league... enough where we could play for at-large bids and get games on TV. I'd still prefer the A10 for basketball because the AAC advantage vaporizes once Memphis, Houston, UCF and Cincinnati inevitably walk.

I don't see their departures as being a sure thing tbh. They all put on a show for the Big 12 a few years ago and were told thanks but no thanks. I suppose it's possible that Texas and Oklahoma trigger a mass exodus that forces a rump Big 12 to invite who they can from the AAC and MWC (and maybe Rice) to create a tweener conference, but if that happened, my guess is they'd have enough votes to force a dissolution, or at least compel it with luxurious parting gifts for the schools that couldn't find a power-conference home.

I'm sure most of the AAC would love to move up to the power conference ranks, but I don't see many easy paths there. And even if some of them left, there'd be enough that they'd be a better fit for ODU than CUSA *or* the A10, especially if they backfilled with good schools.

I don't see their departures as being a thing at all, at least not until the end of the GoRs in 2025. And with the SEC not needing one, and the ACC's decade extension, that leaves only The B1G, the Big XII and the PAC 12 in play even then.

Unless something completely unexpected happens with the B1G, or Texas and/or OK somehow get an SEC invite, nothing is going to happen.
If the Big XII was going to expand, they would have last year. Instead they rebuffed some AAC program overtures.

Done.

I agree, but how long can the AAC pretend to be able to compete at 15-20% of the resources of the real P5, and how long before the media realize they have the AAC over a barrel and can pay them half of what they currently do, and they'd still have to take it and be happy with it, like the rest of us. As they are now, Id love to be in the AAC for the money, exposure and geographic rivals. But even without the money and exposure, Id still prefer them simply for the chance to play Temple, ECU and Navy annually.
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Hey I know there is talk of realigning conferences.i thought awhile on this and here's what I think should happen.Get your 65 p5 schools,11 aac schools,12 mountain west schools and 2 mac,2 indys,2 cusa schools,and 2 sun belt and add 2 non football schools and divide equally into 8 conferences.Here they are:
BIG EAST
BOSTON COLLEGE
SYRACUSE
BUFFALO
ARMY(VILLANOVA*)
PITT
PENN STATE
TEMPLE
RUTGERS
NAVY(GEORGETOWN*)
MARYLAND
VIRGINIA
WEST VIRGINIA
ST. JOHN'S*
CONNECTICUT*

ACC
VIRGINIA TECH
OLD DOMINION
TENNESSEE
CHARLOTTE
APPALACHAIN STATE
NORTH CAROLINA
DUKE
WAKE FOREST
NORTH CAROLINA STATE
EAST CAROLINA
SOUTH CAROLINA
CLEMSON
VCU*
DAVIDSON*

SEC
GEORGIA
GEORGIA TECH
FLORIDA
FLORIDA STATE
MIAMI
CENTRAL FLORIDA
SOUTH FLORIDA
ALABAMA
AUBURN
MISSISSIPPI
MISSISSIPPI STATE
MEMPHIS
UAB*
COLLEGE OF CHARLESTON*

BIG TEN
VANDERBILT
KENTUCKY
LOUISVILLE
CINCINNATI
OHIO STATE
PURDUE
NOTRE DAME
INDIANA
MICHIGAN
MICHIGAN STATE
NORTHWESTERN
NORTHERN ILLINOIS
XAVIER*
BUTLER*

BIG TWELVE
MINNESOTA
WISCONSIN
ILLINOIS
IOWA
IOWA STATE
MISSOURI
KANSAS
KANSAS STATE
COLORADO
AIR FORCE
NEBRASKA
WYOMING
MARQUETTE*
CREIGHTON*

SWC
ARKANSAS
ARKANSAS STATE
LSU
TULANE
OKLAHOMA
OKLAHOMA STATE
TULSA
HOUSTON
TEXAS
TEXAS A&M
BAYLOR
SMU
WICHITA STATE*
ST. LOUIS*

PAC 12
TEXAS TECH
TCU
NEW MEXICO
COLORADO STATE
BYU
UNLV
ARIZONA
ARIZONA STATE
USC
UCLA
SAN DIEGO STATE
HAWAII(PEPPERDINE*)
ST. MARY'S*
NEW MEXICO STATE*

MOUNTAIN WEST
UTAH
UTAH STATE
NEVADA
BOISE STATE
WASHINGTON
WASHINGTON STATE
OREGON
OREGON STATE
CALIFORNIA
STANFORD
SAN JOSE STATE
FRESNO STATE
GONZAGA*
SAN FRANCISCO*

Take the rest of BCS and put with the elite of fcs and you would have awesome division 2.winnwr of each conference plays football tournament for championship.I think it makes the most sense,good schools and rivalries and good markets.What say you monarch nation?
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Why only 2 from the MAC, CUSA, and SBC? Why do you think ODU and Charlotte would be picked over the other 12 teams in CUSA? If ODU was passed over and relegated to the “awesome” Div. 2 league would you be happy? I honestly don’t think the P5 would be open to helping out the lil sisters of the poor (G5).
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Look there is such a thing about butts in seats and market size and budget size.this would be great but you and I know odu is not getting in either even with the budget and market size,but someone has to fix geographical problems and the strong need to suevive.i would be disappointed if odu weren't in,but dude,even if we got in aac,the good schools would be gone in no time.just wanted to show a way to get conference realignment right but it will never happen.i wish they could get in a regional conference that we could drive to,save money for school and get into,you kniw like east carolina,app st,marshall,coastal schools like that,not el paso,rustin,san antonio,you get the idea.
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There is absolutely no incentive for the power privileged conferences to bring in any more teams. Why would they split their fortunes any more and water down their brand with directional schools? Unless they completely break away, in which case they may take half a dozen teams and ODU wont be one of them. The governor surely isn't going to come to ODUs rescue and blackmail UVA and VT to let us in like they did for VT. This is a legislature that actually passed a law with the direct purpose of making it harder for ODU to compete. I'd love to see it, but it wont happen. And I really don't even care if we are relegated to the D2 league in football. What would tick me off is not keeping up in basketball. Though with rampant cheating at the upper levels, paying players under the table etc we cant compete their either. We surely don't have the money to buy recruits like the Dukes and UNCs of the world, and if it stays against the rules (unlikely) Im not sure ODU has the will to "cheat" like they do either. If we could simply stay in the G5 league without anyone else leaving, I think Id be satisfied. There are some good teams in the AAC, MW, A10, CUSA, CAA, MVC, MAC, Horizon, SB that could make for a very fun national tourney in hoops.
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On the basketball side, you don't have to compete with the Dukes and UNC-CHeats of the world. You just have to compete with the Wichita States, VCUs, Daytons of the world. That may require some bending the rules in the current structure, but the reality is that some minimal "cheating" is about like driving 70 mph on I-264. If you don't want to get run over by all the other traffic, you just have to do it since the 55 mph speed limit isn't being enforced.
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(Bump) In Idaho newspapers, an article quoting Boise State and AAC emails of mutual interest
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(12-21-2020 05:26 PM)HeadsetGuy Wrote:  (Bump) In Idaho newspapers, an article quoting Boise State and AAC emails of mutual interest

But why? They were in before, changed their mind and stayed in the MWC with a better deal. Now the AAC doesn’t have UConn, so I’d argue it’s even less appealing than it was.
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