(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:23 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 11:19 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 10:39 AM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  For Troy, we've had the best consistent student turn-out I've ever seen in football and even women's basketball. Men's basketball saw more students compared to years prior. Baseball is the same as usual.

That's good for Troy that the students have something to entertain themselves. Not a whole lot else is going on in Troy is there?

Could be the reason that the smaller college-town schools typically have the best attendance... I.E. - App State, Troy, Arkansas State, La Tech, Marshall, Southern Miss, Wyoming, etc.

True. It's a good thing. Hopefully South's attendance at football games increase in new stadium.

I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

One thing to look at is a comparison of the NCAA statistics number vs the average of the per game attendance from the box scores. For example, NCAA shows 1,973 for Lamar based on 15 home games. On the other hand, averaging the attendance using the universty's box score number (and the per game attendance number on ESPN's website) for the same 15 games yields a 2,256 average.

Here's the page I am using for the NCAA statistics just in case I am using a different source.
NCAA Statistics

Note: Looks like the settings weren't retained. From the link above, select the sport (Men's Basketball). Then select the Division (I). Then click on the "Misc. Reports" tab on the right hand side. From there, click on the "Attendance" hyperlink. The columns are sortable by clicking on the respective headings.

Per NCAA: 1,973
Per Box Score: 2,256

Either way, attendance is still much lower than the "good old days", but I expected that the numbers for the same year would be the same.

For those in the know, are there attendees who would be excluded in the NCAA count vs the box score count? (Sorry. My beancounter background coming out.)

(04-24-2020 07:32 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  One thing to look at is a comparison of the NCAA statistics number vs the average of the per game attendance from the box scores. For example, NCAA shows 1,973 for Lamar based on 15 home games. On the other hand, averaging the attendance using the universty's box score number (and the per game attendance number on ESPN's website) for the same 15 games yields a 2,256 average.

Here's the page I am using for the NCAA statistics just in case I am using a different source.
NCAA Statistics

Note: Looks like the settings weren't retained. From the link above, select the sport (Men's Basketball). Then select the Division (I). Then click on the "Misc. Reports" tab on the right hand side. From there, click on the "Attendance" hyperlink. The columns are sortable by clicking on the respective headings.

Per NCAA: 1,973
Per Box Score: 2,256

Either way, attendance is still much lower than the "good old days", but I expected that the numbers for the same year would be the same.

For those in the know, are there attendees who would be excluded in the NCAA count vs the box score count? (Sorry. My beancounter background coming out.)

One may count tickets scanned, the other may be total attendance in the building, including players, coaches, pep band, media, cheer leaders, vendors, literally every single person in the building.

(04-24-2020 09:25 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 07:32 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  One thing to look at is a comparison of the NCAA statistics number vs the average of the per game attendance from the box scores. For example, NCAA shows 1,973 for Lamar based on 15 home games. On the other hand, averaging the attendance using the universty's box score number (and the per game attendance number on ESPN's website) for the same 15 games yields a 2,256 average.

Here's the page I am using for the NCAA statistics just in case I am using a different source.
NCAA Statistics

Note: Looks like the settings weren't retained. From the link above, select the sport (Men's Basketball). Then select the Division (I). Then click on the "Misc. Reports" tab on the right hand side. From there, click on the "Attendance" hyperlink. The columns are sortable by clicking on the respective headings.

Per NCAA: 1,973
Per Box Score: 2,256

Either way, attendance is still much lower than the "good old days", but I expected that the numbers for the same year would be the same.

For those in the know, are there attendees who would be excluded in the NCAA count vs the box score count? (Sorry. My beancounter background coming out.)

One may count tickets scanned, the other may be total attendance in the building, including players, coaches, pep band, media, cheer leaders, vendors, literally every single person in the building.

Thanks!!!

I think I figured out the difference. The NCAA average looks like it omitted the attendance for the best attended home game of the season (game against Stephen F. Austin with 4,254 in attendance). NCAA number of games is correct at 15, but it's like getting a 0 instead of a 4,254 on a test.

It doesn't look like there were any promotions for that game. I thought that might have been an issue if there were give-aways to jack up the attendance, but those things are extremely rare if ever there.

The next possibility might be that the attendance wasn't recorded on the form to the NCAA in time to be counted. I help update Wikipedia pages for men's and women's basketball (mostly SLC, but other conferences if I have enough time) and did notice attendance missing for at least a few days on some games so that's a possibility.

I know this doesn't have anything to do with the Sun Belt, but I thought I would interject just in case the discrepancy was not just a one off.

To get this back to the Sun Belt...

I got the privilege of attending some wild basketball games against current Sun Belt members back in the day. Blackham Coliseum in Lafayette was a rocking place before the CajunDome. That place was packed!!!! Later, after I was transferred to Lafayette, we had season tickets at the CajunDome for 3 years before I got transferred to Houston so I got to see a lot of games there. There were some great games there. I haven't been to College Park, but I sat on the bleachers on the Texas Hall stage in Arlington in a great run-and-gun game against UT Arlington. It was definitely a unique experience. I never made it to Jonesboro or San Marcos for a game. I regret never getting to go to venues of other current members. Closest I got was being stationed in Valdosta, GA many years ago, but I didn't make any games back then. I could have made a Georgia Southern or Georgia State game, but didn't. I did do a night training flight with touch-and-goes at Myrtle Beach Air Force Base one night. That's the closest I got to Coastal Carolina. :-)

(04-24-2020 03:30 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 02:37 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:09 PM)kevinwmsn Wrote:  Our basketball arena is too big for most games,similar like how Ladd was too big for us unless the SEC was coming.
It was packed out for Auburn, not so much for the other games. Maybe attendance can get better for next season after having a good year last year assuming we get back to normal.

I am all about basketball arenas' being proportional to attendance. Say what you want about our home court, but it has a great feel for basketball games. Once we get into a venue that looks the part of a college basketball arena (and less like a converted gym), we'll really be in business.

When was that new arena going to start being built?

I'm honestly not sure. Last I knew, it wouldn't be finished until 2022, and I haven't been to Atlanta in a while to see if it's even clear that there's something on the way.

(04-24-2020 05:48 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:23 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 11:19 AM)JoeJag Wrote:  That's good for Troy that the students have something to entertain themselves. Not a whole lot else is going on in Troy is there?

Could be the reason that the smaller college-town schools typically have the best attendance... I.E. - App State, Troy, Arkansas State, La Tech, Marshall, Southern Miss, Wyoming, etc.

True. It's a good thing. Hopefully South's attendance at football games increase in new stadium.

I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

During football season?

(04-25-2020 08:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 05:48 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:23 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  Could be the reason that the smaller college-town schools typically have the best attendance... I.E. - App State, Troy, Arkansas State, La Tech, Marshall, Southern Miss, Wyoming, etc.

True. It's a good thing. Hopefully South's attendance at football games increase in new stadium.

I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

During football season?

Basketball, this is a thread about basketball attendance.

(04-25-2020 08:26 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-25-2020 08:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 05:48 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  True. It's a good thing. Hopefully South's attendance at football games increase in new stadium.

I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

During football season?

Basketball, this is a thread about basketball attendance.

Basketball attendance in the Sun Belt is embarrassing and almost not worth mentioning. Gone are the days when SBC basketball was relevant.

(04-24-2020 02:44 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 07:20 AM)sdcritter Wrote:  I can remember when stAte had crowds of 5000 on a bad night. So sad to see what it's become.

I remember when you guys would get 7000-8000 for a Saturday conference game. As a Little Rock fan, I was pretty jealous. Still, in those days, we would get around 3-4K for a Saturday conference game. I would be pissed about that number, but would be absolutely thrilled now.

Except for the fact that we won the league, this year, our attendance is not as awful, as I thought, compared to the rest of league. Only 8 teams averaged over 2K, and USA got there mostly due to a 10K+ crowd against Auburn. I believe Little Rock has the smallest student body, and certainly, the smallest number of oncampus students- so that hurts attendance numbers. We probably are near the top in season tickets sold, although that has clearly gone down as are fanbase is getting older and older. Unless the coronavirus "disappears" as Trump claimed, I'm afraid of what are attendance numbers will be, this year, with the bulk of our reliable fans over 65.

I'm afraid times have changed and, based on the above mentioned numbers, it certainly is not just in Arkansas. Seems like millennials are much more likely to stay home and play video games, watch movies, or watch multiple games on their big screens then attend mid-major sports events. I took my 2 kids, to just about every game, from the time they were born until their late high school years when they began having their "own" social lives (although they often still came to the games). Just don't see young families at our games anymore. Not sure if that is the same at other places or not.

Pretty sure that both ULM and Troy are smaller than Little Rock.

(04-24-2020 07:32 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  One thing to look at is a comparison of the NCAA statistics number vs the average of the per game attendance from the box scores. For example, NCAA shows 1,973 for Lamar based on 15 home games. On the other hand, averaging the attendance using the universty's box score number (and the per game attendance number on ESPN's website) for the same 15 games yields a 2,256 average.

Here's the page I am using for the NCAA statistics just in case I am using a different source.
NCAA Statistics

Note: Looks like the settings weren't retained. From the link above, select the sport (Men's Basketball). Then select the Division (I). Then click on the "Misc. Reports" tab on the right hand side. From there, click on the "Attendance" hyperlink. The columns are sortable by clicking on the respective headings.

Per NCAA: 1,973
Per Box Score: 2,256

Either way, attendance is still much lower than the "good old days", but I expected that the numbers for the same year would be the same.

For those in the know, are there attendees who would be excluded in the NCAA count vs the box score count? (Sorry. My beancounter background coming out.)

Possibly facility workers, referee's and scoring personnel? In other words, anyone in the building at the time.

We just have problems getting our students to come our for basketball unless it is vs GaSt or to a lesser degree App St— this is basketball I am talking. We have a new coaching staff rolling in so hopefully it will improve. Getting rid of the D2 games wouldn t hurt

(04-25-2020 08:26 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-25-2020 08:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 05:48 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 12:48 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  True. It's a good thing. Hopefully South's attendance at football games increase in new stadium.

I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

During football season?

Basketball, this is a thread about basketball attendance.

The comment you were replying to was about football attendance

(04-25-2020 08:21 PM)debragga Wrote:  

(04-25-2020 08:26 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-25-2020 08:13 AM)debragga Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 05:48 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(04-24-2020 01:00 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  I certainly believe it will.

We do have a 3 week period where we are competing directly with Mardi Gras.

During football season?

Basketball, this is a thread about basketball attendance.

The comment you were replying to was about football attendance

Yeah, about an hour ago I read it and saw what you were talking about. But obviously we aren’t dealing with Mardi Gras during football. We need good out of conference home games early and then end the season strong fighting for a conference championship, because we have a hole in the season where we just aren’t going to get fans in the building.

(04-23-2020 04:20 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  MEN'S BASKETBALL FINAL ATTENDANCE

1. Louisiana - 3,730
2. South Alabama - 2,640
3. Troy - 2,509
4. Texas State - 2,285
5. UL-Monroe - 1,993
6. Georgia State - 1,947
7. UT-Arlington - 1,754
8. App State - 1,685
9. Little Rock - 1,560
10. Arkansas State - 1,506
11. Georgia Southern - 1,497
12. Coastal Carolina - 1,229

It was really interesting watching App State's basketball attendance steadily increase during the season. Disproves the notion that people won't come to App State games regardless of how the team's doing. Our second to last home game of the season had right around 3,000. App fans are finally excited about basketball. Another 2 or 3 years of 20 win seasons and App's average attendance should easily top 2,000.