(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 11:17 AM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  Somebody name one walk-on in recent history who has pleasantly surprised any of us.

The only way he'll surprise anybody is if he gets more playing time in mop up duty than the other walk-ons. He's a 6'0" white point guard who shot 53% from the charity stripe.

Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Sports used to be the only way out of poverty for some folks. It wasn't that long ago that the racial myths/slurs/clueless insults were commonplace.

*TriggerWarning (it's disgusting) Reminds me of those old John Wayne movies where they talked about women's wide hips/butt being an indicator of child bearing skills

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/o...cam-newton

Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder had a good run as CBS’s lead sports prognosticator. And then 30 years ago, on the Friday afternoon before Martin Luther King Day, the gruff 70-year-old sat down to lunch with a black Washington DC television reporter and told America what he really thought about the players he covered every week.

Snyder characterized the black athlete as superior “because of his high thighs that go up into his back”. He sourced this opinion in antebellum times, “when during the slave trading, the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he would have a big black kid”.
And he made plain his reservations about black athletes taking roles of greater intellect and authority in sports. “They’ve [blacks] got everything,” he said. “If they take over coaching like everybody wants them to, there’s not going to be anything left for white people.”

Snyder expressed some regret for his remarks shortly after they aired (“I thought I was being instructive, when in fact, I was destructive,” he told the Washington Post), but by then a firestorm of outrage had already gathered.

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Just pure ignorance right here...Do you really think Bball is part of Black folks CULTURE.

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

(04-23-2020 02:02 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

How many people of Non-African Decent have run the 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. Just for reference of athleticism...Running is something anyone can do...Requires no additional equipment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athle...KL20100709

I think the total number is under 10 of the 143 people who have done it.

(04-23-2020 01:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Just pure ignorance right here...Do you really think Bball is part of Black folks CULTURE.

Ignorance comes from not being aware. Memphis alone has a big reputation for having basketball talent. You probably think it comes naturally but I've seen young black men get up day after day and head to a basketball court and stay from sun up to sundown and beyond. That's hard work but it comes easily out of love. Yeah, I would say it's part of their culture. They have excelled at it.

One of the old golf announcers got fired for saying women had a hard time with golf because "their boobs get in the way".

Oh well. Probably should shut this thread down.

(04-23-2020 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:02 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

How many people of Non-African Decent have run the 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. Just for reference of athleticism...Running is something anyone can do...Requires no additional equipment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athle...KL20100709

I think the total number is under 10 of the 143 people who have done it.

But it's not the only thing that determines how athletic a person is. Doncic is not fast but he is athletic.

(04-23-2020 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:02 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

How many people of Non-African Decent have run the 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. Just for reference of athleticism...Running is something anyone can do...Requires no additional equipment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athle...KL20100709

I think the total number is under 10 of the 143 people who have done it.

But it's not the only thing that determines how athletic a person is. Doncic is not fast but he is athletic. Plus, there is a love factor involved.

(04-23-2020 01:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Just pure ignorance right here...Do you really think Bball is part of Black folks CULTURE.

Maybe it was the Mayans who 'invented' Basketball...I only remember it was a life and death hoops game.

(04-23-2020 03:07 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:22 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:02 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

How many people of Non-African Decent have run the 100 meters in less than 10 seconds. Just for reference of athleticism...Running is something anyone can do...Requires no additional equipment.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-athle...KL20100709

I think the total number is under 10 of the 143 people who have done it.

But it's not the only thing that determines how athletic a person is. Doncic is not fast but he is athletic. Plus, there is a love factor involved.

So you will at least admit that People of african decent are at least faster than others. Why wouldn't other traits pertaining to explosiveness and athleticism also be the same.

You are arguing against years of history about athelticism.

(04-23-2020 02:57 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Just pure ignorance right here...Do you really think Bball is part of Black folks CULTURE.

Ignorance comes from not being aware. Memphis alone has a big reputation for having basketball talent. You probably think it comes naturally but I've seen young black men get up day after day and head to a basketball court and stay from sun up to sundown and beyond. That's hard work but it comes easily out of love. Yeah, I would say it's part of their culture. They have excelled at it.

And you are not aware...Or don't understand what culture is...To say it is part of black culture to play basketball is just ignorant. You example is Memphis Culture...Not pertinent to the entire country or entire African American race. Is it also part of the african american culture to play football (68% of the NFL).

There are as many white kids who spend as much time playing basketball in their younger years as black kids do (Not by percentage...Just by numbers) but many stop as they get older because they become less and less competitive.

There are some kids who are just athletic enough that it does not require a ton of work to become very good at the game. You mentioned precious...He didn't really start playing basketball until the 8th grade.

Kenya produces a lot of marathon winners because long-distance running is part of their culture. Jamaica produces sprinters because track and field have become a strong part of their culture and national identity. Baseball has become a big part of Latin American culture and subsequently several of baseball’s top players come from Latin America. Basketball is a big part of African-American culture, so a good deal of players in the NBA are African-American.

Every Black athlete who is successful has worked very hard and is knowledgeable about their sport. Every white athlete who is successful has natural athletic ability.

(04-23-2020 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 02:13 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(04-22-2020 01:04 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  Anthony Miller and there is the first time for everything including you losing your virginity.

What I would really like to know is what does him being white have to do with him playing basketball or are you just feeding into stereotypes?

I should have clarified - walk-on basketball players. Those mentioned in the thread (such as Jake McDowell) didn't surprise anybody. Andre Allen would be the closest, but he was highly-ranked at one point and had scholarship offers at other DI schools. He was expected to be a contributor when he committed here.

Your snark aside, I'm not feeding stereotypes. There is plenty of data and research that shows shorter, less athletic white kids have to excel at fundamentals in order to level the playing field, especially if they want to get scholarships or play at higher levels. When you can't jump out of the gym then you better practice free throws, your jump shot, etc. There's no coasting on your athleticism. Adapt or die.

Research also shows that women basketball players are better free throw shooters than men, and a large part of that also centers on the lack of athleticism and the necessity to focus on the fundamentals.

First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

It shouldn't be. It's all pretty logical. There isn't an online article for this, but I was reading an article once on the subject and it was talking about how a lot of it is a combination of the lack of athleticism and the style of play they grew up with.

They found that kids playing predominately in white leagues and in white neighborhoods were indeed less athletic and therefore had to focus on developing fundamentals. They worked on perimeter shots, free throws, etc. Results in those games in those leagues depended on how well you executed the fundamentals.

Kids in the inner-city leagues and neighborhoods relied more on their speed and athleticism and could more easily adapt to faster styles of play. They didn't have to worry as much on the fundamentals and therefore the majority didn't place as much focus on them.

Larry Bird explained that as an un-athletic white kid from French Lick, by necessity he had to outwork everybody in order to achieve his dreams.

Here's an interesting article from Joel Embiid on how he researched becoming a better three point shooter:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/...story-time

That's a really great read. Love the Tarik Black mention also :)

(04-23-2020 03:37 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 02:57 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:55 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Just pure ignorance right here...Do you really think Bball is part of Black folks CULTURE.

Ignorance comes from not being aware. Memphis alone has a big reputation for having basketball talent. You probably think it comes naturally but I've seen young black men get up day after day and head to a basketball court and stay from sun up to sundown and beyond. That's hard work but it comes easily out of love. Yeah, I would say it's part of their culture. They have excelled at it.

And you are not aware...Or don't understand what culture is...To say it is part of black culture to play basketball is just ignorant.

There are as many white kids who spend as much time playing basketball in their younger years as black kids do (Not by percentage...Just by numbers) but many stop as they get older because they become less and less competitive.

There are some kids who are just athletic enough that it does not require a ton of work to become very good at the game. You mentioned precious...He didn't really start playing basketball until the 8th grade.

Please, explain to me what culture means because I am too ignorant.

(04-23-2020 02:02 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 01:17 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 12:33 PM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 10:22 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(04-23-2020 08:17 AM)hartlessnhere Wrote:  First, I was not being snarked. I was driving home a point that each of us has experienced. I apologize if you thought I was. Please, show me one link where they have taken the time to express a racial difference in basketball with data or research?

Brandon Burlsworth is someone you should google regardless of sport. His story is inspiring.

You can start with the fact that black athletes make up 75% of the NBA and 13% of the population. Roughly 73% of the U.S. population is white and only makes up 23% of the NBA.

I am going to really go out on a limb here and say that it has to do with black people by in large being more athletic than white people and not that the NBA is racist toward white people...

Is this really that questionable of a topic?

Yes, it's questionable because it is stereotypes. Biological factors do not compel people from certain races to excel in certain sports. Cultural factors do. China produces a lot of good ping-pong players because ping-pong is part of Chinese culture. Guess what sport is a part of the African-American culture?

Biological factors may not "compel" them to play the sport but biological factors 100% are the largest factor in their ability to excel in the sport...

You cannot be serious about that statement. It is not racist to admit that in general black people tend to be better athletes than white people. Just like it is not sexist to admit that men tend to more frequently have a ***** than women...

Then by your thinking, there is a whole continent (Africa) full of black people who should be dominating basketball but are not. Example: Precious Achiuwa (a Nigerian) developed his talent by playing in an African American NYC culture, not in Africa. The sport in African culture is soccer.

Sports stereotypes are made to be broken. Athletic basketball players are popping up all over the world from all different backgrounds, from Argentina to Turkey, from Kenya to China. The perfect example is Luka Doncic the Slovenian who plays for Dallas is a 6'7" PG/SF who averages 28.7 ppg is Athletic with his ability to cut on a dime or quickly alter his motion is unparalleled.

This is a waste of time.
A. I am clearly referencing American athletes, not African kids who many will likely never see a basketball...
B. Athleticism does not equate directly to basketball skill. You know this but are choosing be dense. They have a natural athletic advantage, a higher ceiling if you will. But they do have to craft and hone their skills. Again, this is no different than a naturally intelligent scientist. If they never studied science or put time and effort into their intellectual ability then would be stagnant and never grow. But some people are born with a much higher intellectual ceiling than others. I have never said the NBA athletes do not work hard to get into the NBA...
C. Luka is an exception, those always exist. The point is that for every one Luka there are 3 black NBA players... That is the entire point of this conversation.

But I am done taking up space in this thread with this discussion.

Congrats to Connor on making the team and I am sure he will contribute in many ways!

Connor Glennon and his buddies are laughing their asses off.

(04-23-2020 05:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Connor Glennon and his buddies are laughing their asses off.

Profile of Connor Glennon at gotigersgo - link
https://gotigersgo.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=1116

(04-23-2020 05:15 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Connor Glennon and his buddies are laughing their asses off.

This thread was totally hijacked and turned into something that is just pathetically stupid. All the BS should be deleted and the Conner posts left in place.