(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

That's how UTRGV was formed, right? Brownsville and UTPA combined into one school. Are there classes being held at both campuses or was Brownsville closed?

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

(07-18-2020 02:29 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

That's how UTRGV was formed, right? Brownsville and UTPA combined into one school. Are there classes being held at both campuses or was Brownsville closed?

That's right. Probably some activity still there by way of a "center", but the main campus is now in Edinburg. It was 4 years ago since last debated and shot down. Im sure Chancellor Sharp just retreated, regrouped and re-planned his 2nd attack. He wants this to happen, just has to sell it to the stakeholders.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/10/...gsville-a/

(07-17-2020 04:02 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  I talked to a WAC AC about their non conf. scheduling philosophy. The AC said because they travel so much for conference games, they like to stay regional for non conference games. They play their share of money games, but they will play schools within their region. The AC, also said that's basically the same scheduling philosophy of WAC schools.

I read this story that mentioned Bakersfield travel schedule for WAC games. https://www.bakersfield.com/news/big-wes...501b1.html

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

Well then why isnt A&M CC in the WAC already?

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

You keep bring up the A&M Chancellor and his preference for the WAC. Is the chancellor selected or elected? How long is his term? How long has he been there? I ask because if/when he leaves, the new chancellor may have a totally different viewpoint. Or the covid situation changes the current chancellor's viewpoint.

(07-18-2020 03:23 PM)Hilldog Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

You keep bring up the A&M Chancellor and his preference for the WAC. Is the chancellor selected or elected? How long is his term? How long has he been there? I ask because if/when he leaves, the new chancellor may have a totally different viewpoint. Or the covid situation changes the current chancellor's viewpoint.

I thinknthe covid situation only solidifies his stance for a merger. As far as his WAC>SLC preference I could only speculate if it would be shared by his successor, whomever that may be. You have to ask yourself, why would they choose SLC over WAC? Nothing there except a bloated league full of same ol' same ol' schools. The Louisana schools are on the brink of collapse. WAC has more upside, and has UTRGV in it. What if Commerce and WT moved up to the WAC. Just makes more sense when you look at the big picture.

(07-18-2020 03:22 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

Well then why isnt A&M CC in the WAC already?

Well that gets back to the title of this thread. A&M CC doesn't play football. No value.

(07-18-2020 03:42 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 03:22 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:25 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Who's "they"?

A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

Well then why isnt A&M CC in the WAC already?

Well that gets back to the title of this thread. A&M CC doesn't play football. No value.

So the non football playing schools bring no value to the WAC? Aren't they the majority?

(07-18-2020 04:15 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 03:42 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 03:22 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:36 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  A&M CC and the hypothetical merger school

You"d have a completely new institution, but still an A&M school, and the A&M Chancellor has made no bones about how much he prefers the WAC over the SLC.

Well then why isnt A&M CC in the WAC already?

Well that gets back to the title of this thread. A&M CC doesn't play football. No value.

So the non football playing schools bring no value to the WAC? Aren't they the majority?

C'mon, I didnt say that. But as it stands today, logic tells me if you're trying to build/resurrect a football conference, football playing schools hace to take precedence in your recruitment.

(07-18-2020 02:54 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  ...
That's right. Probably some activity still there by way of a "center", but the main campus is now in Edinburg.
....

I work at UTRGV and calling Edinburg the "main campus" gets you called in to your supervisor's office. Officially we're all equal, because people in Brownsville get upset otherwise. Brownsville students, Brownsville faculty, Brownsville politicians, and most especially the Brownsville-based legislators that get to vote on our budget.

Of course off the record you're completely right. Edinburg has more students, more facilities, more faculty with base offices there, and more programs offered. Prior to the merger there was no doubt that UTPA was bigger, more stable, and better academically than UTB, although neither one was top tier if we're being honest about it.

Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Only thing is that takes two and Kingsville has been extremely resistant. Could always happen but I'd be surprised if it happened within two years. Even then wouldn't they be Southland Conference?

(07-18-2020 06:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

Since the SWAC cancelled football, we are out of our lone FCS game. Might happen. Would be interesting if we played both Tarleton and Dixie State.

(07-18-2020 07:12 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 06:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

Since the SWAC cancelled football, we are out of our lone FCS game. Might happen. Would be interesting if we played both Tarleton and Dixie State.

And you're also out of your UCLA payday game. Nobody's gonna pick up that tab now with the new eligibility rule. So nmsu has two open slots, and two FCS options for "easy wins" to at least try to go get some bowl money. Tarleton would step up in a heartbeat, not sure about Dixie.

(07-18-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 07:12 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 06:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

Since the SWAC cancelled football, we are out of our lone FCS game. Might happen. Would be interesting if we played both Tarleton and Dixie State.

And you're also out of your UCLA payday game. Nobody's gonna pick up that tab now with the new eligibility rule. So nmsu has two open slots, and two FCS options for "easy wins" to at least try to go get some bowl money. Tarleton would step up in a heartbeat, not sure about Dixie.

Because of the limits to the number of of D2 scholarships (36), neither Dixie State or Tarleton State would have the two year rolling average of 80% of the FCS limit of 63 scholarships (50+). That doesn't mean NMSU would not play them, but they would not count toward bowl eligibility. As a result, FCS schools that do meet the average would likely be scheduled if possible. It will probably be two years before they have the two year average required (90% of 63 without this year's exception because of covid 19).

(07-18-2020 08:25 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 07:12 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 06:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

Since the SWAC cancelled football, we are out of our lone FCS game. Might happen. Would be interesting if we played both Tarleton and Dixie State.

And you're also out of your UCLA payday game. Nobody's gonna pick up that tab now with the new eligibility rule. So nmsu has two open slots, and two FCS options for "easy wins" to at least try to go get some bowl money. Tarleton would step up in a heartbeat, not sure about Dixie.

Because of the limits to the number of of D2 scholarships (36), neither Dixie State or Tarleton State would have the two year rolling average of 80% of the FCS limit of 63 scholarships (50+). That doesn't mean NMSU would not play them, but they would not count toward bowl eligibility. As a result, FCS schools that do meet the average would likely be scheduled if possible. It will probably be two years before they have the two year average required (90% of 63 without this year's exception because of covid 19).

Well that sucks. nmsu would be foolish to not schedule for bowl eligibility, and by the looks of things, there will be plenty FCS schools looking to make a deal. And probably within region, too.

(07-18-2020 08:34 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 08:25 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 07:12 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 06:08 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Due to Covid, NMSU, the lone FBS member in the WAC, can play up to two FCS home games to count toward bowl eligibility.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...eason-only

Tarleton has already had one cancellation road game to Bethune-Cookman. Might we be treated to an early Tarleton-NMSU showdown in Las Cruces? Boy oh boy, I sure hope so!

Since the SWAC cancelled football, we are out of our lone FCS game. Might happen. Would be interesting if we played both Tarleton and Dixie State.

And you're also out of your UCLA payday game. Nobody's gonna pick up that tab now with the new eligibility rule. So nmsu has two open slots, and two FCS options for "easy wins" to at least try to go get some bowl money. Tarleton would step up in a heartbeat, not sure about Dixie.

Because of the limits to the number of of D2 scholarships (36), neither Dixie State or Tarleton State would have the two year rolling average of 80% of the FCS limit of 63 scholarships (50+). That doesn't mean NMSU would not play them, but they would not count toward bowl eligibility. As a result, FCS schools that do meet the average would likely be scheduled if possible. It will probably be two years before they have the two year average required (90% of 63 without this year's exception because of covid 19).

Well that sucks. nmsu would be foolish to not schedule for bowl eligibility, and by the looks of things, there will be plenty FCS schools looking to make a deal. And probably within region, too.

If restrictions don’t start to we may not have football. As it is right now there is a mandatory 14 day quarantine if we travel out of state. So does that mean we won’t host a game this year? Could we schedule nothing but away games to bend those rules?

(07-18-2020 06:04 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:54 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  ...
That's right. Probably some activity still there by way of a "center", but the main campus is now in Edinburg.
....

I work at UTRGV and calling Edinburg the "main campus" gets you called in to your supervisor's office. Officially we're all equal, because people in Brownsville get upset otherwise. Brownsville students, Brownsville faculty, Brownsville politicians, and most especially the Brownsville-based legislators that get to vote on our budget.

Of course off the record you're completely right. Edinburg has more students, more facilities, more faculty with base offices there, and more programs offered. Prior to the merger there was no doubt that UTPA was bigger, more stable, and better academically than UTB, although neither one was top tier if we're being honest about it.

Lol duly noted.

But they are now:
https://www.utrgv.edu/newsroom/2019/05/0...cation.htm

And that has to be an itch the A&M BOR are dying to scratch. A 25,000 student research-focused A&M school in the Coastal Bend region would bring balance to the force. I wonder, what would they call it? A&M Coastal?

(07-18-2020 06:04 PM)edinburger Wrote:  

(07-18-2020 02:54 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  ...
That's right. Probably some activity still there by way of a "center", but the main campus is now in Edinburg.
....

I work at UTRGV and calling Edinburg the "main campus" gets you called in to your supervisor's office. Officially we're all equal, because people in Brownsville get upset otherwise. Brownsville students, Brownsville faculty, Brownsville politicians, and most especially the Brownsville-based legislators that get to vote on our budget.

Of course off the record you're completely right. Edinburg has more students, more facilities, more faculty with base offices there, and more programs offered. Prior to the merger there was no doubt that UTPA was bigger, more stable, and better academically than UTB, although neither one was top tier if we're being honest about it.

So, there are still classes being held in Brownsville? How far apart are the two campuses?

In the LA/OC area, you have Cal Poly Pomona and Cal St. Fullerton that are 15-20 miles apart. Cal St. LA and CP Pomona are also about 20 miles from each other. But, none of those campuses are thinking about combining.