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(04-29-2020 01:28 AM)Pounder Wrote:  This thread.... blerg.

I feel for you guys.

On one hand, when a few states are ready to play this fall and many aren’t, good luck with that.

Chances of the continued existence of FBS and FCS and D-2 and all that? Who knows? Chances of a shakeout of school athletic programs at FCS? Who knows, but don’t be surprised. Chances of the WAC surviving this? Shrug.

It’s going to be a mess. Part of the reason for the mess is the virus unearths things that are already happening anyway. Online instruction especially (though I’m not convinced that’s the best course of action). A wipeout of “small” businesses that often underwrite our schools. Heck, WFH changes things like “why would I pay stinkloads of money on car insurance at this point?” Many other things.

What an incoherent post...
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It’s pretty much Texas or bust for the WAC. C Wash, W Ore, and Azusa Pacific don’t show any signs of budging. The RMAC schools look like they’re comfortable too. Pulling Lone Star schools up a couple at a time over a few years and booting Chicago St seems like a sound plan.

If the WAC doesn’t build something for Dixie St and Tarleton St they are just another program sitting, waiting for an invitation out like Seattle and NMSU.
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(04-30-2020 04:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It’s pretty much Texas or bust for the WAC. C Wash, W Ore, and Azusa Pacific don’t show any signs of budging. The RMAC schools look like they’re comfortable too. Pulling Lone Star schools up a couple at a time over a few years and booting Chicago St seems like a sound plan.

If the WAC doesn’t build something for Dixie St and Tarleton St they are just another program sitting, waiting for an invitation out like Seattle and NMSU.

I agree. I didn't at first, but I do now. It was right in front of my face and I couldn't see it. Tarleton just up'd their stadium capacity to 10k, and literally their first conference game after the reno saw almost 12,000 fans trying to squeeze in. They'll be expanding again, and so will Dixie:

https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archiv...qtsMhhOkwA

In Texas, Football is King. Our D2 schools in the LSC are more prepared for the jump up than most current FCS programs out West (Big Sky). And definitely no other D2 schools have the facilities or the financial backing of the LSC programs. Other than maybe a defector or two from the SLC, namely ACU, the new WAC will alot like the LSC 2.0 And I have to admit, the idea of it is growing on me..
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(04-22-2020 11:51 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Lamar was not brought up in the conversation I had with my source. Only SLC teams that were mentioned were Sam, SFA, ACU, and adding WT.

You do know things. I think this is where we're headed, with SUU. East/West Division 8-team WAC. You called it.
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(05-14-2020 09:23 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-22-2020 11:51 AM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Lamar was not brought up in the conversation I had with my source. Only SLC teams that were mentioned were Sam, SFA, ACU, and adding WT.

You do know things. I think this is where we're headed, with SUU. East/West Division 8-team WAC. You called it.
I'm beginning to suspect his sources are the hidden mics he has placed in the offices of ADs and conference commissioners.
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All I can say in my years of knowing these people... I have never been lied to... have possibilities stay only that, possibilities? Yes, but never lied to
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(05-15-2020 05:34 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  All I can say in my years of knowing these people... I have never been lied to... have possibilities stay only that, possibilities? Yes, but never lied to

Yeah you can say whatever you want, I'm on to you...
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Hmmmm....Lamar scheduling Northern Colorado and Tarleton for home and homes. A sign of things to come?
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sport...257152.php
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(05-18-2020 10:20 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Hmmmm....Lamar scheduling Northern Colorado and Tarleton for home and homes. A sign of things to come?
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sport...257152.php
Maybe so. I thought Tarleton scheduling games with Southland schools might be some sign that we were heading that way... effectively an interview giving our admin face time with their admin and showing our ability to travel and compete. However that did not pan out as expected.

The Big Sky has gone to a schedule where all but two games are in conference. NoCo appears to being going with 1 FBS payday and 1 FCS h/h. Looking at their schedules in future years, they are playing Southland schools (Lamar, McNeese, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word).

Like D2, there are fewer FCS conferences west of the Mississippi. It could be they are building in roadsfor a Texas recruiting pipeline.
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(05-18-2020 11:06 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 10:20 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Hmmmm....Lamar scheduling Northern Colorado and Tarleton for home and homes. A sign of things to come?
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sport...257152.php
Maybe so. I thought Tarleton scheduling games with Southland schools might be some sign that we were heading that way... effectively an interview giving our admin face time with their admin and showing our ability to travel and compete. However that did not pan out as expected.

The Big Sky has gone to a schedule where all but two games are in conference. NoCo appears to being going with 1 FBS payday and 1 FCS h/h. Looking at their schedules in future years, they are playing Southland schools (Lamar, McNeese, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word).

Like D2, there are fewer FCS conferences west of the Mississippi. It could be they are building in roadsfor a Texas recruiting pipeline.

The Southland Conference has also been playing a 9 game conference schedule in recent years. They added a game around the same time they were trying to get the odd ball 11 game / sometimes 12 game season changed to 12 games every year. That attempt failed. According to the 2018 article linked below, the 2021 season would be the first time the SLC could go back to 8 conference games. Right now, Lamar has 3 non-conference games scheduled for 2021 with the Tarleton State game addition so the conference may be making the move to 8 conference games that year. If not, Lamar might be substituting a "money game" with UTSA for a home game with Tarleton State.

Link - SLC Could Go Back to Eight Games

The SLC and Big Sky have had problems scheduling out of conference games. The SLC typically has used sub DI games to fill the schedule. That's one of the reasons they went to a 9 game conference schedule.

So, what does all this have to do with WAC Football?

With Tarleton State and Dixie State's move to Division I and their independent schedules, both schools may be non-conference opportunities for both the Big Sky and Southland Conference. It's a "win/win". The independent schools have a better opportunity to complete their respective schedules with regional opponents while the Big Sky and Southland can strengthen their schedules with more Division I opponents in the regions.
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(05-18-2020 11:06 AM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(05-18-2020 10:20 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Hmmmm....Lamar scheduling Northern Colorado and Tarleton for home and homes. A sign of things to come?
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sport...257152.php
Maybe so. I thought Tarleton scheduling games with Southland schools might be some sign that we were heading that way... effectively an interview giving our admin face time with their admin and showing our ability to travel and compete. However that did not pan out as expected.

The Big Sky has gone to a schedule where all but two games are in conference. NoCo appears to being going with 1 FBS payday and 1 FCS h/h. Looking at their schedules in future years, they are playing Southland schools (Lamar, McNeese, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word).

Like D2, there are fewer FCS conferences west of the Mississippi. It could be they are building in roadsfor a Texas recruiting pipeline.

Yes good point. I have no doubt Big Ed will have the Bears winning again, sooner rather than later. He knows he'll need those bountiful Texas recruits to get where he wants to go.
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(04-30-2020 04:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It’s pretty much Texas or bust for the WAC. C Wash, W Ore, and Azusa Pacific don’t show any signs of budging. The RMAC schools look like they’re comfortable too. Pulling Lone Star schools up a couple at a time over a few years and booting Chicago St seems like a sound plan.

If the WAC doesn’t build something for Dixie St and Tarleton St they are just another program sitting, waiting for an invitation out like Seattle and NMSU.


With the GNAC hurting for football schools to join them? I think Central Washington could be the first to move up out of that group. They got money to upgrade their football stadium while Eastern Washington having troubles raising funds to upgrade their's. CWU played 2 Big Sky schools last year. EWU and Idaho. They might be gearing for D1 soon.
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Tarleton Football had the #3 attendance in all of D2 last season. Memorial Stadium currently (after recent expansion) holds 10,000, so they averaged 90% capacity at 8,952 per game, with rival games against WTAMU and Commerce going way over capacity.

As a conference the LSC had 4 teams in the Top-10. If the WAC is looking for more D2 football-playing schools to move up, look no further than the LSC. Especially WTAMU.

"The Texans had the highest total attendance and per-game average of any team in the Lone Star Conference this season, ahead of Midwestern State (6th / 7,703), West Texas A&M (7th / 7,646) and Texas A&M-Commerce (8th / 7,450). As a conference, the LSC finished second in Division II with 250,736 total attendance and averaged 5,117 fans across nine institutions."

https://tarletonsports.com/news/2020/5/2...ation.aspx
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Also would have placed TSU in the top 30 in attendance for FCS D1
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(05-29-2020 03:36 PM)wisdomgymrat Wrote:  Also would have placed TSU in the top 30 in attendance for FCS D1
I was wondering the same thing but look at you doing the hard work.

Good on ya buddy
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Crazy how similar FCS and D2 attendance numbers look outside of NDSU, Montana, and some of the HBCUs
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(04-21-2020 10:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(04-21-2020 09:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-21-2020 06:26 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Never say never but NMSU will never go FCS. Football facilities are not bad at all and the last couple of years millions of dollars have been pumped into the football program. NMSU football has been discussed to death on its own board but I welcome Tarletons inquiry on the matter. Im hoping, with no inside info that these schools that come over from the LCS decide to move up to FBS and restart FBS football with NMSU in the WAC. Same goes for Dixie State. Hard to talk about football here because the WAC does not have football but we might see it more since the two schools joining both have football so their will be more speculation I'm sure what university presidents and Hurd have going on behind the scenes.

I'm curious, has there ever been a jump from D2 directly to FBS? That does seem like the easiest fix to keep NMSU football in the WAC, but that's a huge step forward for a Tarleton or Dixie. Whats the stadoum capacity minimum for FBS? Why isn't NMSU in the MWC?

Besides the fact that NMSU has struggled in football for years, the MWC values, large media markets and major recruiting hotbeds; and NMSU offers neither. UNM is deemed the one and only representative for the State of New Mexico; as if UNM carries much clout south of T or C (Hot Springs), New Mexico. The other problem is NMSU falls behind UTEP in the line of schools wanting into the MWC. UTEP is 45 minutes south of NMSU. Resides in El Paso; a city nearly 7 times larger than Las Cruces. And, services the regions with its international Airport and largest news media market. Also, UTEP is in Texas which would give the MWC a foothold in that State. However, is not that high on the list either. There are other Texas schools (UTSA, North Texas) which the MWC would rather have in the conference than UTEP. So, you can see how far down NMSU is in the pecking order to join the MWC.


I'm late to this thread. But, while it's true the MWC had TCU in the past, but in today's economic climate, schools that are in the region of the conference members is most important. UTEP has a history with many members of the MWC- New Mexico, Air Force, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming. They are in the Mountain time zone like many other MWC schools.

I see UTEP going into the MWC as a common sense addition. Much like Southern Utah to the Big Sky and Bakersfield to the Big West.
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I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.
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(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?
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(07-18-2020 02:23 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(07-18-2020 01:59 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  I'm all for resurrecting this thread as we get closer to football season. Better than talking about how uber awesome nmsu basketball is.
One of the hypotheticals i can't seem to shake is a possible Texas A&M Kingsville/CC merger. If that were to happen, it changes the WAC/SLC landscape quite a bit. Chancellor Sharp is more than in favor of it, even though it died a few years back. But he has to know the potential monster that is UTRGV cannot go unchecked by the A&M system. A Kingsville/CC merger would produce a 25,000 student University playing all sports and the WAC would be a perfect landing spot.

Why would they choose the WAC when they already have SLC membership?

Who's "they"?
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