(04-20-2020 04:26 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  It is almost impossible to justify Rutgers into the BIG. Most likely, they just needed an even number after Maryland.

Rutgers has hardly supported their athletic department. They do a poor job of funding. UMD had financial problems post-Debbie Yow...but Rutgers has been a mess for decades. Athletically, it’s difficult to remember success stories...it’s rivals are Lafayette, Lehigh, Princeton and Columbia. I don’t know whether they have ever won a BIG championship in any sport. Best case, it’ll take another 5 to 10 years for Rutgers to be competitive with fellow BIG athletic programs.

There is no reason for the ACC to try to replicate anything associated with Rutgers. It’s unlikely that Rutgers is delivering New Jersey or NYC television markets...but there are lots of BIG alums in Jersey.

Don't forget that part of adding Rutgers was the B10 attempting to keep PSU from the ACC.

(04-20-2020 02:35 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:52 PM)ken d Wrote:  "Deliver" may be too strong a word. Rutgers may draw some eyeballs from NYC, but so would Syracuse. Maybe even more. And the Orange, I'm sure, draw eyeballs from New Jersey as well, just as Clemson does from North Carolina and Georgia and probably Virginia Tech from Tennessee. State lines aren't barriers.

I had wished the Big Ten had taken Syracuse (and/or Pittsburgh) before the ACC had instead of getting stuck with Rutgers. If I didn't live right next to New Jersey I wouldn't even know what state Rutgers was in. The main conference realignment board has a thread about schools with deceptive names (public schools that sound like private schools, you know, like Rutgers). UConn would deliver more of New York than Rutgers ... at least during basketball season. When they played in the Big East Tournament they packed Madison Square Garden. Of course some people here don't think basketball is a sport.

Nobody thinks that here. It's an important sport.


Just not important enough to take in a school for it when they are the bottom of the barrel in the far more important sport and would eat far more than they kill for the conference.

(04-20-2020 04:30 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Louisville does not deliver New Albany, IN. That's IU country.

I'm sorry. It's true.

Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Most of Southern Indiana gets its television from Louisville KY or Evansville Indiana. About 40% of the Evansville market is in Kentucky. When you turn on the television in Charlotte NC, you will see UNC, Clemson, NC State, SC, Duke, and if the broadcast time is open, you get WF, GT, UGA, an ACC blurb and then an SEC blurb.

I lived in the Tri-Cities market for 5 years outside of UT and VT no other college sports existed except once in while they covered ETSU.

Here is an Evansville Indiana TV station https://www.14news.com/

They cover Indiana, KY, and Illinois

Sure.... that doesn't cover why a UC fan appeared to try and troll Louisville in the 3rd post of the thread, unless he was responding to a since deleted post. Not to mention he picked a city out of the blue (New Albany) and wasn't fully correct in his assessment.

I'd give IU a slight majority in southern Ind. over UofL, at least with the counties in the metro area. There are plenty of Card fans across the river though. I will say IU definitely dominates as you head up I-65 towards Indianapolis.

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Louisville does not deliver New Albany, IN. That's IU country.

I'm sorry. It's true.

Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

As someone who lived in Miami County, Indiana for 6 years you overstate IU's dominance statewide.

BTW, Brown County is one of my favorite places.

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Louisville does not deliver New Albany, IN. That's IU country.

I'm sorry. It's true.

Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

Yeah, you're beyond clueless.

Plus the fact that an obsessed UC fan feels the need to quickly chime in to this thread on the ACC board to try and downplay UofL fan territory when Louisville hadn't even been mentioned in the entire thread says all we need to know about you. Classic little brother syndrome. Keep dreaming.

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

I was born in Southern Indiana. Lived there in the 60’s, moved back in the 80’s and stayed until 2013.

Not sure when and where you were in Indiana but you are clueless about Southern Indiana.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/col...ket-sales/

The link provides tickets sold by county.

For the 30 plus years I lived in Southern Indiana you couldn’t find an IU Football fan with a search party.

IU basketball fans all over the state are Notre Dame fans during football season if they follow football at all.

Louisville actually has a radio station in Cincinnati that carries Louisville games live.

https://www.gotknowhow.com/articles/how-...a-fb-radio

Our recent scheduling plan is to play a game in Nashville, Indianapolis or Cincinnati each season. Sometimes as the home team; others as visitor. We have played WKU, Texas A&M and Mississippi State in Nashville recently. We have played Purdue in Indianapolis recently and plan to play IU there as part of a three game series. There have also been discussions about playing Ohio State in Cincinnati. Those have been going on for a few years now.

Vince has done a good job taking what Tom did and taking it to the natural next level.

Thanks to Louisville fans, UofL controls the Louisville Market. We have been the number one market for the NCAA basketball tournament for at least a decade or longer, that includes years that UofL or UK weren’t in the tournament.

(04-20-2020 09:12 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Louisville does not deliver New Albany, IN. That's IU country.

I'm sorry. It's true.

Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

Yeah, you're beyond clueless.

Plus the fact that an obsessed UC fan feels the need to quickly chime in to this thread on the ACC board to try and downplay UofL fan territory when Louisville hadn't even been mentioned in the entire thread says all we need to know about you. Classic little brother syndrome. Keep dreaming.

I believe the original topic was state overlap. I was offering my take which I believe to be accurate. That's what you do on these things, right?

So tell me, I guess if Romeo Langford (from New Albany... right across the river from Louisville) had signed with Louisville, his signing would have been in his HS gym and it would have been jam packed to the rafters with UL people... like it was IU people?

Come on. At least try to be a little rational here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmD2kxu4MSc

(04-21-2020 09:02 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 09:12 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 12:10 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Louisville does not deliver New Albany, IN. That's IU country.

I'm sorry. It's true.

Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

Yeah, you're beyond clueless.

Plus the fact that an obsessed UC fan feels the need to quickly chime in to this thread on the ACC board to try and downplay UofL fan territory when Louisville hadn't even been mentioned in the entire thread says all we need to know about you. Classic little brother syndrome. Keep dreaming.

I believe the original topic was state overlap. I was offering my take which I believe to be accurate. That's what you do on these things, right?

So tell me, I guess if Romeo Langford (from New Albany... right across the river from Louisville) had signed with Louisville, his signing would have been in his HS gym and it would have been jam packed to the rafters with UL people... like it was IU people?

Come on. At least try to be a little rational here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmD2kxu4MSc

Stop being ridiculous. The original topic of State Overlap had to do with penetration into media markets. I'm sorry that Cincy got screwed but it was your own administration's fault for beginning to attempt major college football competition about decade after Louisvillle who got lucky and got the last ticket up because they gambled and put in the money starting in the 80's. It's that simple.

Cincy is uniquely screwed by it's location in the Kentucky suburbs. Cincy is southern town in a northern state. Cincy's home media market it tri-sected by Indiana, KY, and Ohio but there are more Ohio State football fans and more Kentucky basketball fans in Cincy than anything Cincy offers, not to mention the competition with the Reds and the Bengals. "Deliver" is a word that is subject to interpretation.

Your example of a high school loi signing is ridiculous.

Even if every red neck Hooiser in Southern Indiana is tuned in to IU basketball, that's not all they watch. They will watch Purdue, Notre Dame, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, Ohio State, and Michigan hoping they will lose. It's a rare sports person that only watches "their team". Who you chose to hate is as important as who you chose to support.

Moreover, there are three-four football slots in any Saturday. One on Friday, and one on Thursday for ESPN. Three such spots for ABC. Two on Fox, Two such spots for CBS. An an average of .5 on NBC. That's at least 10 broadcasting spots to fill on a weekend needing at least 20 teams to do the trick just for a national telecast. Make half those game regional and you need 30 teams.

So it doesn't matter who is most popular in Southern Indiana because when Louisville, or Notre Dame, or Purdue, or Kentucky, etc., are playing people who watch sports in Southern Indiana are watching and the only time they wont is when IU is on for a 3 hours slice of those 30 hours.

(04-21-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 09:02 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 09:12 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 04:24 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Did I miss something. This appears to be out of no where. Why is a UC fan claiming to know what's going on in Southern IN?

Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

Yeah, you're beyond clueless.

Plus the fact that an obsessed UC fan feels the need to quickly chime in to this thread on the ACC board to try and downplay UofL fan territory when Louisville hadn't even been mentioned in the entire thread says all we need to know about you. Classic little brother syndrome. Keep dreaming.

I believe the original topic was state overlap. I was offering my take which I believe to be accurate. That's what you do on these things, right?

So tell me, I guess if Romeo Langford (from New Albany... right across the river from Louisville) had signed with Louisville, his signing would have been in his HS gym and it would have been jam packed to the rafters with UL people... like it was IU people?

Come on. At least try to be a little rational here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmD2kxu4MSc

Stop being ridiculous. The original topic of State Overlap had to do with penetration into media markets. I'm sorry that Cincy got screwed but it was your own administration's fault for beginning to attempt major college football competition about decade after Louisvillle who got lucky and got the last ticket up because they gambled and put in the money starting in the 80's. It's that simple.

Cincy is uniquely screwed by it's location in the Kentucky suburbs. Cincy is southern town in a northern state. Cincy's home media market it tri-sected by Indiana, KY, and Ohio but there are more Ohio State football fans and more Kentucky basketball fans in Cincy than anything Cincy offers, not to mention the competition with the Reds and the Bengals. "Deliver" is a word that is subject to interpretation.

Your example of a high school loi signing is ridiculous.

How'd this get to be about UC? i wasn't touting UC for anything.

And other than ridiculing me, you never did answer the question. Would Langford have had a gym full of UL fans in New Albany, IN if he had signed with UL?

It's a fair question.

And while Cardinal Jim is partially correct about the non-existent IU football fan, if they would ever become anything more than a pathetic doormat, the basketball crowd would come out of the woodwork in the fall too.

But as far as UL owning southern Indiana over IU... yeaaaah I'm just gonna have to go ahead and respectfully disagree with you on that one.

(04-21-2020 02:48 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 02:14 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-21-2020 09:02 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 09:12 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(04-20-2020 07:07 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Yes, you did miss something.

I grew up in Indiana and was a Bob Knight lovin', cream & crimson bleeding who's ear as a kid and have many IU blowhard relatives.

While I outgrew it when I got to UC, it doesn't change the fact that the Indiana border marks IU's territory.

Louisville is nothing in Indiana. Don't be too upset though. Neither is Notre Dame. Purdue has a following but it is still dwarfed by IU.

That's just the facts.

Yeah, you're beyond clueless.

Plus the fact that an obsessed UC fan feels the need to quickly chime in to this thread on the ACC board to try and downplay UofL fan territory when Louisville hadn't even been mentioned in the entire thread says all we need to know about you. Classic little brother syndrome. Keep dreaming.

I believe the original topic was state overlap. I was offering my take which I believe to be accurate. That's what you do on these things, right?

So tell me, I guess if Romeo Langford (from New Albany... right across the river from Louisville) had signed with Louisville, his signing would have been in his HS gym and it would have been jam packed to the rafters with UL people... like it was IU people?

Come on. At least try to be a little rational here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmD2kxu4MSc

Stop being ridiculous. The original topic of State Overlap had to do with penetration into media markets. I'm sorry that Cincy got screwed but it was your own administration's fault for beginning to attempt major college football competition about decade after Louisvillle who got lucky and got the last ticket up because they gambled and put in the money starting in the 80's. It's that simple.

Cincy is uniquely screwed by it's location in the Kentucky suburbs. Cincy is southern town in a northern state. Cincy's home media market it tri-sected by Indiana, KY, and Ohio but there are more Ohio State football fans and more Kentucky basketball fans in Cincy than anything Cincy offers, not to mention the competition with the Reds and the Bengals. "Deliver" is a word that is subject to interpretation.

Your example of a high school loi signing is ridiculous.

How'd this get to be about UC? i wasn't touting UC for anything.

And other than ridiculing me, you never did answer the question. Would Langford have had a gym full of UL fans in New Albany, IN if he had signed with UL?

It's a fair question.

And while Cardinal Jim is partially correct about the non-existent IU football fan, if they would ever become anything more than a pathetic doormat, the basketball crowd would come out of the woodwork in the fall too.

But as far as UL owning southern Indiana over IU... yeaaaah I'm just gonna have to go ahead and respectfully disagree with you on that one.

It's a stupid question not a fair question. LOI signings and television markets are like comparing a minnow to a whale.

Bear that is not to say I think YOU are stupid, only that your comparison leads to you formulating a stupid question.