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RE: Big East university campuses
We conclude noting the acreage of each Big East campus. Moving from east to west (as always), we finish by touching on Creighton University in Omaha:

CU: 132 acres

Marquette (have seen): 93 acres

DePaul (have seen): 36 acres

Butler (have seen): 295 acres

Xavier (have seen): 205 acres

Georgetown (have seen): 104 acres

Villanova: 260 acres

Seton Hall: 58 acres

Saint John's (have seen): 105 acres

UConn: 4,400 acres

Providence College (have seen): 105 acres
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RE: Big East university campuses
We now turn out attention to spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

First, and moving from east to west (as always), Providence College:

Cunningham Square offers two monument-esque structures, some black metal gates (that can be closed to prevent vehicle access) and some flags. It seems very solid (though not grand and clearly not suggesting one is arriving at a major place of learning). The drive terminates into a roundabout at Harkins Hall.

In addition, Huxley Avenue provides two entrances to the PC campus — one on the north via Admiral Street and another on the south from Eaton Street. Both entrances are very understated with a smallish and curved stone sign at each.

Providence College is fully surrounded by free-standing single-family homes — a physical form that is both limiting (in terms of yielding eye-catching views) yet charming.
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(04-24-2022 08:22 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  We now turn out attention to spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

First, and moving from east to west (as always), Providence College:

Cunningham Square offers two monument-esque structures, some black metal gates (that can be closed to prevent vehicle access) and some flags. It seems very solid (though not grand and clearly not suggesting one is arriving at a major place of learning). The drive terminates into a roundabout at Harkins Hall.

In addition, Huxley Avenue provides two entrances to the PC campus — one on the north via Admiral Street and another on the south from Eaton Street. Both entrances are very understated with a smallish and curved stone sign at each.

Providence College is fully surrounded by free-standing single-family homes — a physical form that is both limiting (in terms of yielding eye-catching views) yet charming.
Bill, why don't you post some HR information on the BEast schools, e.g. faculty-student ratios, admin vs instructional budgets, staffing ratios (admin-to-full time faculty, principal vs part-time or non-tenured faculty, etc.)? It will take a bit of digging, but might be far more interesting than tallest buildings or campus entrances. I am NOT critical of what you are doing at all; in fact I greatly appreciate your efforts, particularly during the off-season. But I sense that you are struggling a bit to find new comp ideas, so I thought I'd throw out some.
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(04-28-2022 05:49 AM)X-man Wrote:  
(04-24-2022 08:22 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  We now turn out attention to spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

First, and moving from east to west (as always), Providence College:

Cunningham Square offers two monument-esque structures, some black metal gates (that can be closed to prevent vehicle access) and some flags. It seems very solid (though not grand and clearly not suggesting one is arriving at a major place of learning). The drive terminates into a roundabout at Harkins Hall.

In addition, Huxley Avenue provides two entrances to the PC campus — one on the north via Admiral Street and another on the south from Eaton Street. Both entrances are very understated with a smallish and curved stone sign at each.

Providence College is fully surrounded by free-standing single-family homes — a physical form that is both limiting (in terms of yielding eye-catching views) yet charming.
Bill, why don't you post some HR information on the BEast schools, e.g. faculty-student ratios, admin vs instructional budgets, staffing ratios (admin-to-full time faculty, principal vs part-time or non-tenured faculty, etc.)? It will take a bit of digging, but might be far more interesting than tallest buildings or campus entrances. I am NOT critical of what you are doing at all; in fact I greatly appreciate your efforts, particularly during the off-season. But I sense that you are struggling a bit to find new comp ideas, so I thought I'd throw out some.

Thanks for the input, X-Man. And, yes, I have definitely struggled a bit with the past few ideas (I'm sure others have noticed it too). But the original theme of the thread was strictly about the physical form and function of the Big East campuses. As a "fan" of urban placemaking (and a reporter who focuses on the real estate industry), I am more passionate about, for example, the number of art deco buildings located on a college campus as opposed to faculty-student ratios (though the latter can be interesting, too, in relation to the former).

I do feel you are likely correct: Readers of this thread would probably be more interested in the themes you note. And, to be clear, I sincerely appreciate your suggestion and am glad you have enjoyed the thread.

I pondered ending posting on the thread when it hit 20,000 views. So I might keep it going and "pivot" in the direction you note (or at least supplement the topic with your recommendation). It actually is a fine idea. In addition, your thought is sufficiently related to the original concept so as to render a "re-focus" a reasonable option.

Keep reading, my friend!
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we started with Providence College. Next up: the University of Connecticut.

From what I can determine, the UC main entrance (and I use the term loosely) is located at the intersection of Bolton and Storrs roads, with only a modest sign to suggest one has "arrived" at a major place of higher education. It seems there is no other entrance of note to what is a sprawling campus that offers (based on viewing via Google satellite) only modest continuity and "rhythm" related to how its manmade and natural environments interact. The campus truly seems a hodgepodge — with pockets of density here and major swaths of open space there.

There is a spot on Storrs Road at which you see the so-called East Campus and — to the left/west, yet off-centered — the Great Lawn. But this is not an "entrance" in the true sense.

The UConn campus has to rank among the more unusual campuses I've viewed (either in person or via Google maps — and I've seen many). It combines major levels of quirkiness, blandness and, in parts, handsomeness. The network of pedestrian paths, for example, is impressive. I suppose because the UC campus is located in a rural setting, the early years of planning for its evolution were not particularly strict.

If I missed the main entrance, I trust a poster will alert me.
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College and the University of Connecticut. Next up: Saint John's University in the Hillcrest-Jamaica district of the Queens borough of New York City.

The entire SJU campus is essentially gated and, as such, offers restrictive access points. The main entrance is located at Utopia Parkway and Kildare Road (see link below).

Though not grand, the entrance offers an understated elegance and charming old-school feel.

(https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7213769,...384!8i8192
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut and Saint John's University. Next up: Seton Hall University in West Orange, New Jersey.

The main entrance is found at the convergence of Route 510, Seton Drive/Centre Street and Turrell Avenue. The signage is understated but attractive; the columns, rather basic. Because this intersection is "auto and asphalt intense," the overall impact of the entrance is limited. There is another relatively noteworthy campus access point on Route 510 and called the McNulty Pedestrian Gate. On the west segment of the campus, there is an access point at Ward Place Gate at Gardner Avenue.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7459394,...384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7445536,...384!8i8192
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University and Seton Hall University. Next up: Villanova University in Villanova, Pennysylvania (an unincorporated Philadelphia suburb).

VU offers two entrance on North Ithan Avenue, with the more prominent being the point at which Ithan and Lancaster Avenue intersect. The main campus interacts with two rail lines and Lancaster and is located in a suburban setting. As such, it seems most Villanova folks (faculty, administrators and students who live off campus) take a train or drive to the campus.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0336701,...384!8i8192
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall and Villanova. Next up: Georgetown University in Washington, D.C.

The grand entrance gates are locate at the intersection of 37th and O streets NW. Because the GU campus is a bit "hemmed in" by Foundry Branch Valley Park on the west and the Potomac River on the south, its "opportunities" to present visually eye-catching entrances are limited. There is a modest "Welcome To Georgetown University" sign located at the intersection of 37th Street NW and Prospect Street. Canal Road NW (which parallels the river) offers a tasteful "Georgetown University" sign, but that access point is focused heavily on vehicles (so the sign often likely goes unnoticed).
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University and Georgetown University. Next up: Xavier University in Cincinnati.

The XU campus features a simple, yet effective, entrance at Woodburn and Dana avenues. It is not grand but it nicely works. At the split of Dana and Victory Parkway is a ground sign with "Xavier University" in a very odd typeface. The sign is located in a triangular-shaped spot with trees and bushes that does not feel like an even tertiary part of the campus. It almost seems as the sign was placed in the spot as an afterthought. Of note, there are some other modest entrances.

The main challenge for Xavier related to potentially offering a dramatic and/or noteworthy main entrance sign is that the campus layout/configuration — regarding the XU buildings' physical proximity to each other, to the natural environment and to the surrounding streets — doesn't clearly lend itself to such signage.
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(06-05-2022 09:48 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University and Georgetown University. Next up: Xavier University in Cincinnati.

The XU campus features a simple, yet effective, entrance at Woodburn and Dana avenues. It is not grand but it nicely works. At the split of Dana and Victory Parkway is a ground sign with "Xavier University" in a very odd typeface. The sign is located in a triangular-shaped spot with trees and bushes that does not feel like an even tertiary part of the campus. It almost seems as the sign was placed in the spot as an afterthought. Of note, there are some other modest entrances.

The main challenge for Xavier related to potentially offering a dramatic and/or noteworthy main entrance sign is that the campus layout/configuration — regarding the XU buildings' physical proximity to each other, to the natural environment and to the surrounding streets — doesn't clearly lend itself to such signage.

The "odd typeface" sign was the gateway to the original campus before the massive expansion that has occurred over the last 25-30 years. Your decision to list the drive, D'Artagnan Drive, as the main entrance was right. That road, which goes a block to the rotary around the statue of St Francis Xavier, formerly was called Ledgewood and ran all the way to Victory Parkway, with private homes all along the way. Now it's flanked by all Xavier buildings including my building (Smith Hall, the B-school), the Conatan Learning Center and library, a massive dorm complex, and Cintas.
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(06-06-2022 09:58 AM)X-man Wrote:  
(06-05-2022 09:48 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University and Georgetown University. Next up: Xavier University in Cincinnati.

The XU campus features a simple, yet effective, entrance at Woodburn and Dana avenues. It is not grand but it nicely works. At the split of Dana and Victory Parkway is a ground sign with "Xavier University" in a very odd typeface. The sign is located in a triangular-shaped spot with trees and bushes that does not feel like an even tertiary part of the campus. It almost seems as the sign was placed in the spot as an afterthought. Of note, there are some other modest entrances.

The main challenge for Xavier related to potentially offering a dramatic and/or noteworthy main entrance sign is that the campus layout/configuration — regarding the XU buildings' physical proximity to each other, to the natural environment and to the surrounding streets — doesn't clearly lend itself to such signage.

The "odd typeface" sign was the gateway to the original campus before the massive expansion that has occurred over the last 25-30 years. Your decision to list the drive, D'Artagnan Drive, as the main entrance was right. That road, which goes a block to the rotary around the statue of St Francis Xavier, formerly was called Ledgewood and ran all the way to Victory Parkway, with private homes all along the way. Now it's flanked by all Xavier buildings including my building (Smith Hall, the B-school), the Conatan Learning Center and library, a massive dorm complex, and Cintas.

Interesting info. I did now know. Thanks for posting.

My brother and I drove around the Xavier campus a couple of times when he lived in Cincinnati and attended UC. I found it a nice campus — inviting and well maintained — located within a pleasant part of the city.

XU is an important component of a city for which I have strong admiration and positive memories. Sadly, I haven't visited Cincinnati in about 10 years despite living a mere 275 miles away.
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University, Georgetown University and Xavier University. Next up: Butler University in Indianapolis.

The main Butler entrance is located at Sunset Avenue and East 46th Street/Butler Way. With two signs and a tree-lined median, the entrance allows motorists, cyclists or pedestrians to move west into East Mall and Norris Plaza. Overall the physical arrangement is symmetrical, nicely landscaped and dignified. Of note, the entrance is framed by two buildings for which the exteriors designs are rather underwhelming. Also, the general area could use more trees (and larger trees, for that matter). Still, a very respectable campus entrance.

West Hampton Drive offers some functional pedestrian access to the south segment of the BU campus. The intersection of Sunset and Lake Road features a rather prominent building with a large "Butler University" ground sign (the blue and white color scheme looks nice). The big building is home to pub Chatham Tap, which replaced Scotty's Dawghouse when the latter closed in 2018.
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University, Georgetown University, Xavier University and Butler University. Next up: DePaul University in Chicago.

DePaul offers a very tasteful pedestrian-only entrance on Fullerton Avenue and at the campus "Quad." There is an attractive sign at the northeast corner of the campus at Fullerton and Sheffield avenues. And another quality sign (with a similar color scheme) at the southwest corner of the campus at Racine and Belden avenues. But the "best" sign might be found at the intersection of Kenmore and Webster avenues and sitting in front of Byrne Hall near the structure housing St. Vincent de Paul Church.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/1025+W...87.6545736


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9253441,...384!8i8192


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.925409,-...384!8i8192
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RE: Big East university campuses
We continue spotlighting entrances to each Big East university campus. Worth noting: not all entrances for each school campus necessarily will be highlighted. I'm using Google Maps for this exercise, so my apologies for any mistakes I make.

Moving from east to west, we have "visited" Providence College, the University of Connecticut, Saint John's University, Seton Hall University, Villanova University, Georgetown University, Xavier University, Butler University and DePaul University. Next up: Marquette University in Chicago.

I struggled with MU, even having to resort to checking a campus map online. From what I can determine, the main entrance to the campus is located on Wisconsin Avenue and looking north into the Alumni Memorial Union building. It is for pedestrians only. There is what seemingly is an entrance for vehicles at North 16th and West Clybourn streets.

The Marquette campus is a very urban in its form and function. As such, it might be my favorite Big East campus. There is minimal surface parking (or other "dead space") located on or near the campus. The MU buildings create very appropriate "walls" in terms of scale and orientation (both to the street and to one another). Open green space is minimal but tastefully done. The blend of buildings with traditional and contemporary exterior design is perfect.

The main negative to the MU campus is that Clybourn Street does not look pedestrian friendly. And to the south of that street is Interstate 94.

But overall, and even though lacking a grand entrance, this campus looks outstanding.
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