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(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:05 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Recruiting is like concrete work. You cannot tell if it is good for several years.

Unless it is really bad, and then you can tell right away.

Or Really good. But we don’t see those types of players at UC. Maybe Brannen can bring em back. When was the last time we had a stud freshman of the Dermarr Johnson variety? Lance? Yancy? Those guys were not quite there.
 
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(04-17-2020 11:46 AM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 10:25 AM)RuckleSt Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:05 AM)doss2 Wrote:  Recruiting is like concrete work. You cannot tell if it is good for several years.

Unless it is really bad, and then you can tell right away.

Or Really good. But we don’t see those types of players at UC. Maybe Brannen can bring em back. When was the last time we had a stud freshman of the Dermarr Johnson variety? Lance? Yancy? Those guys were not quite there.

Clark was a very productive Freshmen, but not quite star level. Perhaps Downey or Vaughn.
 
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(04-17-2020 10:09 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
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(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.

We got MAW because Samari Curtis decommitted after Mick left. You say MAW looked good at times -- how good did Samari Curtis look his freshman year? And I don't get the concern with DeJulius. Dude played in the best conference in the country and played 21 minutes per game. He is proven. Doesn't mean he's going to be a star, but he's definitely not unproven. Rap moving up to a higher level of competition is a concern, but lest we forget he dropped 21 and 9 on us last season.

I know this much -- I'll take this roster over whatever Mick would have put together sight unseen.

DeJulius is going to be starting and learning a new system. I think he will be the best incoming player, but it's still going to be a transition for him.

As for Rap, in the last 2 years he has played a total of 9 top 100 (BartorVik) quality games and in those games has averaged an offensive rating below 85. He has also averaged a TO rate above 20% in those games. In top 100 games in the last two years he has shot 33-71 from 2 and 5-29 from 3. Though his assist rate in top 100 games has been above 20% as well, indicating that good teams key on him and force other players to beat them. That's not even getting into his rebound rate, defense and likely defensive struggles if he plays at the 4. His best top 100 game was his game against us. I expect him to be good, but it may take a while and may require him playing at the 5.

I'm not judging this roster or future rosters against what might have been with Mick. I'm judging based on what is and what should be and most importantly what they do on the court. The floor I'll be happy with this year is around 18 regular season wins and a high seed in the NIT. NCAA tournament would be a pleasant surprise. 21-22 I expect to make the NCAA tournament at minimum and more than 20 regular season wins.
 
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Downey was a really good college freshman, but he wasn’t NBA material. Vaughn was good as well but more a “victim” of circumstance. Who else was going to put the ball in the hole on that team?
 
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(04-17-2020 12:17 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 10:09 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.

We got MAW because Samari Curtis decommitted after Mick left. You say MAW looked good at times -- how good did Samari Curtis look his freshman year? And I don't get the concern with DeJulius. Dude played in the best conference in the country and played 21 minutes per game. He is proven. Doesn't mean he's going to be a star, but he's definitely not unproven. Rap moving up to a higher level of competition is a concern, but lest we forget he dropped 21 and 9 on us last season.

I know this much -- I'll take this roster over whatever Mick would have put together sight unseen.

As for Rap, in the last 2 years he has played a total of 9 top 100 (BartorVik) quality games and in those games has averaged an offensive rating below 85. He has also averaged a TO rate above 20% in those games. In top 100 games in the last two years he has shot 33-71 from 2 and 5-29 from 3. Though his assist rate in top 100 games has been above 20% as well, indicating that good teams key on him and force other players to beat them. That's not even getting into his rebound rate, defense and likely defensive struggles if he plays at the 4. His best top 100 game was his game against us. I expect him to be good, but it may take a while and may require him playing at the 5.

I don't think its necessarily fair to judge him based on 9 games first off, especially not when the rest of his teammates were over matched. Anyone that has played sports knows that sometimes your teammates just aren't good enough to help and you either still pass it to them and nothing happens or you start to force it and play worse. He will likely look like a completely different player when he is the 3rd or 4th scoring option than being the best player on the floor for his team. A couple easy buckets because someone like Vogt gets doubled and his numbers go way way up.
 
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(04-17-2020 12:17 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 10:09 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.

We got MAW because Samari Curtis decommitted after Mick left. You say MAW looked good at times -- how good did Samari Curtis look his freshman year? And I don't get the concern with DeJulius. Dude played in the best conference in the country and played 21 minutes per game. He is proven. Doesn't mean he's going to be a star, but he's definitely not unproven. Rap moving up to a higher level of competition is a concern, but lest we forget he dropped 21 and 9 on us last season.

I know this much -- I'll take this roster over whatever Mick would have put together sight unseen.

DeJulius is going to be starting and learning a new system. I think he will be the best incoming player, but it's still going to be a transition for him.

As for Rap, in the last 2 years he has played a total of 9 top 100 (BartorVik) quality games and in those games has averaged an offensive rating below 85. He has also averaged a TO rate above 20% in those games. In top 100 games in the last two years he has shot 33-71 from 2 and 5-29 from 3. Though his assist rate in top 100 games has been above 20% as well, indicating that good teams key on him and force other players to beat them. That's not even getting into his rebound rate, defense and likely defensive struggles if he plays at the 4. His best top 100 game was his game against us. I expect him to be good, but it may take a while and may require him playing at the 5.

I'm not judging this roster or future rosters against what might have been with Mick. I'm judging based on what is and what should be and most importantly what they do on the court. The floor I'll be happy with this year is around 18 regular season wins and a high seed in the NIT. NCAA tournament would be a pleasant surprise. 21-22 I expect to make the NCAA tournament at minimum and more than 20 regular season wins.

I won't get into the 4 vs. 5 debate, but even coming off the bench it seems Rap has much more upside than Sorolla offered last season. Between he and Eason it seems we have guys who could effectively share minutes on the frontline with Vogt and Dou. Scott's scoring production may need to come from others. If Keith returns and shows the progress from junior to senior year that Tre did, we're in for a fun ride.

I see talent upgrades in several spots on this roster and I'm going to suggest this is an NCAA team until proven otherwise. Even with several new players, I predict a better pre-conference performance against what may be a bit softer schedule in November and December than last season. Houston locks up a bid; who after that will be better than Cincy? The AAC won't be a one bid conference.
 
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(04-17-2020 12:18 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Downey was a really good college freshman, but he wasn’t NBA material. Vaughn was good as well but more a “victim” of circumstance. Who else was going to put the ball in the hole on that team?

Downey ended up having a great college career, 2000+ points, and top 10 all time in the NCAA in steals when he graduated.

Vaughn may not have been the most efficient Freshmen, but he was essentially our only offensive threat that year, so he had to deal with opposing defenses keying on him. I'll always be grateful for him dragging us thru that era.
 
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(04-17-2020 12:17 PM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 10:09 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 09:26 AM)skyblade Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 08:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  Brannen's recruiting has been outstanding.

I think people are getting a bit over their skis on thinking these freshmen will contribute significantly in year 1 though. I haven't seen much tape of any of them, but I would expect them to have years like MAW or Harvey had. The good news is that Brannen's first two freshman classes have several guys who should be very nice upperclassmen.

DeJulius looks fantastic, and Ivanauskas should be good. It will be interesting to see how they gel and how the returning players progress, given that teams may not be able to practice for a while.

I agree, even the Sophomores we haven't seen enough out of to know how good they will be. We will be deep on the bench, but I'm not sure our starters will be that good.

We are relying on a lot of pieces that have potential, but are unproven. DeJulius looks good, but he has never been a starter. The jump in competition level will be a challenge for Rap. Williams (assuming he comes back) needs to learn to be the team leader and the go to guy. Diarra needs to continue to play like he did at the end of the season. Vogt needs to give it his all at defense and rebounding (his minutes will probably be reduced, which may help him). MAW looked good at times, but only at times.

The rest of the guys we haven't seen enough from to be confident they will contribute. We are going to rely a lot on unproven freshmen and sophomores for minutes. Harvey seems to be the best bet.

Adding Rap and Dejulius definitely improves us, but I still don't see us as a tournament team. 21-22 is when it looks like we should start to hit our stride. Next year is about developing players and hopefully sneaking our way in to the tournament.

We got MAW because Samari Curtis decommitted after Mick left. You say MAW looked good at times -- how good did Samari Curtis look his freshman year? And I don't get the concern with DeJulius. Dude played in the best conference in the country and played 21 minutes per game. He is proven. Doesn't mean he's going to be a star, but he's definitely not unproven. Rap moving up to a higher level of competition is a concern, but lest we forget he dropped 21 and 9 on us last season.

I know this much -- I'll take this roster over whatever Mick would have put together sight unseen.

DeJulius is going to be starting and learning a new system. I think he will be the best incoming player, but it's still going to be a transition for him.

As for Rap, in the last 2 years he has played a total of 9 top 100 (BartorVik) quality games and in those games has averaged an offensive rating below 85. He has also averaged a TO rate above 20% in those games. In top 100 games in the last two years he has shot 33-71 from 2 and 5-29 from 3. Though his assist rate in top 100 games has been above 20% as well, indicating that good teams key on him and force other players to beat them. That's not even getting into his rebound rate, defense and likely defensive struggles if he plays at the 4. His best top 100 game was his game against us. I expect him to be good, but it may take a while and may require him playing at the 5.

I'm not judging this roster or future rosters against what might have been with Mick. I'm judging based on what is and what should be and most importantly what they do on the court. The floor I'll be happy with this year is around 18 regular season wins and a high seed in the NIT. NCAA tournament would be a pleasant surprise. 21-22 I expect to make the NCAA tournament at minimum and more than 20 regular season wins.

Rap had 21 points & 9 rebounds in 34 minutes when he played against Cincinnati this year. 9-for-12 from 2 and 1-for-5 from 3.

He held Vogt to 16 points and 7 rebounds in 26 minutes (7-for-8 from the floor) and Sorolla to 0 points and 3 rebounds in 11 minutes (0-for-2 from the floor).

So unless that was the game of his life, he can compete with the guys we already have.
 
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(04-17-2020 07:25 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I want to stress that I've never believed and I think the evidence shows style doesn't really play a factor in success. The teams that are very good to elite on both ends advance the most on march but those are largely the best teams. Those teams play a variety of styles. I wouldn't call mick's teams not being good enough offensively a style issue just a reality. Those teams didn't advance because largely they weren't top 16 type teams and had some bad luck (eventually even as a Lowe seed you'll advance).

Hopefully we'll see better offense without a defensive dropoff. That is the kind of team that is likely to make a run.

I knew you had done some of that analysis earlier and I wasn't sure how to find it. But my recollection was basically what you just said which isn't really consistent with another poster's take that there's a "style" specifically conducive to postseason (as opposed to regular season) success whether we are talking about Huggins, Cronin, Brannen or whoever. Well, besides the obvious - be good at everything (i.e. offense and defense). Of course, those teams are likely to have great success pretty much by definition.

This leaves the vast majority of the teams, including some good to very good ones, with the reality that they are a little to a lot better at one aspect of the game than the other. As such, they are a flawed team and it doesn't necessarily matter which "style" they play. They are going to win or lose in the postseason for the same reason they won or lost in the regular season - usually some combination of matchups, simply an "on" or "off" night, injuries, officiating, depth, coaching, improvement, reaction to pressure and luck.

Aside from maybe a slight or occasional allowance by the officials to maybe allow some additional physicality ("let them play") and having a higher "profile", it's pretty much the same game in the postseason as it is during the regular one. There's not a "key" style imo and I suspect the data proves this out (and as your analysis appears to show.)
 
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Without premier athletes guys who can just get you buckets on their own- I think that the style that Brannen has shown gives us a better chance to win in the post season. The offense seemed to flow really well and create easy looks when they were locked in.

Outside of the 17-18 season, Cronin’s teams seemed plodding and clueless many times in their offensive sets often hoisting bad shots up at the end of the clock. Deep tourney runs were absent. We got one sweet 16. Now he may very well get the one on one players he needs to get key buckets at UCLA and continue that pack line D to field teams that make deep runs. Who knows? I wish him success because I think no matter what he did here he was getting a lot of uncalled for flack. I supported the guy. I think he’s a good coach, but that style and lack of tournament success was wearing very thin even on me after all those years.

So no hard data other than it’s been said that every team steps up their defense come the tourney and the teams that succeed are the ones that can get buckets when they need them. I think Pitino said something like that but I can’t find the quote.

Otherwise, although defense is very important, I think offensive efficiency is the biggest predictor of tournament champions.
 
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(04-17-2020 06:26 PM)Bearcatbdub Wrote:  Without premier athletes guys who can just get you buckets on their own- I think that the style that Brannen has shown gives us a better chance to win in the post season. The offense seemed to flow really well and create easy looks when they were locked in.

Outside of the 17-18 season, Cronin’s teams seemed plodding and clueless many times in their offensive sets often hoisting bad shots up at the end of the clock. Deep tourney runs were absent. We got one sweet 16. Now he may very well get the one on one players he needs to get key buckets at UCLA and continue that pack line D to field teams that make deep runs. Who knows? I wish him success because I think no matter what he did here he was getting a lot of uncalled for flack. I supported the guy. I think he’s a good coach, but that style and lack of tournament success was wearing very thin even on me after all those years.

So no hard data other than it’s been said that every team steps up their defense come the tourney and the teams that succeed are the ones that can get buckets when they need them. I think Pitino said something like that but I can’t find the quote.

Otherwise, although defense is very important, I think offensive efficiency is the biggest predictor of tournament champions.

It's not. Though champions have been slightly better on offense than defense champions are basically elite at both. The only real exceptions have been the two most recent uconn teams who were elite defensive teams and just good to ok offensive teams. Maybe I'll post the numbers again when I have some free time at a computer
 
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(04-17-2020 12:17 PM)skyblade Wrote:  I'm not judging this roster or future rosters against what might have been with Mick. I'm judging based on what is and what should be and most importantly what they do on the court. The floor I'll be happy with this year is around 18 regular season wins and a high seed in the NIT. NCAA tournament would be a pleasant surprise. 21-22 I expect to make the NCAA tournament at minimum and more than 20 regular season wins.

I'll be very surprised if this team doesn't make the NCAA tournament. I predict a nice run at least to the second weekend.
 
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i know it's a different thread, but what the hell is up with nachoman? i always thought him to be a reasonable person. if we're just talking about recruiting here -still too early to gauge his eye- how can anyone not be happy? it sucks we miss out on top 100 guys; he still has to show why cincinnati just might be the school for you. our brand is still relevant but you gotta be pretty dumb if you can't recognize it t'ain't the glory days. i've accepted this conference but it clearly holds us back. these dudes he's bringing in -on paper- appear to be the first step in bringing in better players. and by that i mean win
 
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(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

MC might have accepted DeJulius but probably written Ivanaukas off.
We'd probably would have had Nsoseme for another year. haha
 
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(04-17-2020 10:18 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

MC might have accepted DeJulius but probably written Ivanaukas off.
We'd probably would have had Nsoseme for another year. haha

i'd take nsoseme. he's got intangibles working for him
 
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(04-17-2020 10:50 PM)Lush Wrote:  
(04-17-2020 10:18 PM)bearcat54 Wrote:  
(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?

MC might have accepted DeJulius but probably written Ivanaukas off.
We'd probably would have had Nsoseme for another year. haha

i'd take nsoseme. he's got intangibles working for him

Well the basketball sure was intangible for him on one side of the court...so you're not wrong.
 
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(04-17-2020 08:51 PM)Lush Wrote:  i know it's a different thread, but what the hell is up with nachoman? i always thought him to be a reasonable person. if we're just talking about recruiting here -still too early to gauge his eye- how can anyone not be happy? it sucks we miss out on top 100 guys; he still has to show why cincinnati just might be the school for you. our brand is still relevant but you gotta be pretty dumb if you can't recognize it t'ain't the glory days. i've accepted this conference but it clearly holds us back. these dudes he's bringing in -on paper- appear to be the first step in bringing in better players. and by that i mean win

Nachoman is a bid 01-wingedeagle these days with some of his takes. I mean Mick would be out fighting off UAB and Buffalo for JUCO recruits and hidden gems from Zamunda this time of the year. We are funally getting guys that have actual basketball skill and talent all across the roster, and nit just one or two guys.
 
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RE: Brannen's recruiting
(04-16-2020 07:26 PM)blackcattitude Wrote:  ehhhhh, has he considered his opponents at all? The AAC is full of teams either built in the image of Cronin's Bearcats or teams built to beat Cronin's Bearcats. it's this roster ready to take down ball-dominant guards, tough/borderline dirty defense, and grown men?
Nope. Kind of a 'DQ sundae with sprinkles' roster
 
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247 team rankings from their web page for the AAC years...

26 2013
31 2014
43 2020
44 2019
53 2015
58 2017
61 2018
63 2016
 
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RE: Brannen's recruiting
(04-18-2020 11:32 AM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  247 team rankings from their web page for the AAC years...

26 2013
31 2014
43 2020
44 2019
53 2015
58 2017
61 2018
63 2016

Caveating the list, this is another reason why the size of classes, especially in hoops, drastically skews a team's ranking. Based solely on team ranking, the 2016 class could be considered UC's "worst" during the AAC years but that was a class that contained Cumberland and Brooks, a high-four star and high-three star player respectively with an average rating of .9235 (UC's highest average signee rating during that time frame). However, because there were only two signees, 247's team rankings system ranks it lower than the other classes.

Here's the ranking of classes by avg recruit rating:

2016: .9235
2019: .9157
2015: .9041
2014: .9012
2013: .8928
2020: .8857
2018: .8850
2017: .8655

I can't speak for everyone else but an issue I had with Mick's recruiting was that, while he showed he could bring in talented recruits during UC's time in the AAC, those last two full classes (2017 and 2018) had the worst talent since joining the new conference and this was a period when the program was transitioning to a fully renovated arena, so you could make the argument that this shouldn't have been holding him back from selling the program to recruits.
 
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