(04-15-2020 07:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 07:32 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:20 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  "72% of Americans polled by Seton Hall University's Stillman School of Business said they would not attend if sporting events resumed without a vaccine for the coronavirus. Just 13% of Americans said they would feel comfortable attending games"

Count me as skeptical we even have college athletics until there is a vaccine one has takne or proven successful treatments. I think for most Americans aren't going to be piling into stadiums to watch concerts or game even if they said they were open.

It would make more sense for some of the pro leagues who generate money as a job to open under certain circumstances like testing before each game, playing in a single location, etc but I don't think it makes much sense for most colleges or say ECU to go play USF or someone like that in basketball for example or even football. 350 schools most of which don't generate great interest makes little sense having them travel and fly all over the country just to play games. You have to think schools are more reluctant than pro leagues as well where it's a job.

I do think pro sports like Tennis/Golf/fight sport etc stand the best early chance with no fans. Basketball makes some sense. Football is going to be a different animal. You also have to consider how it looks to draw away medical personnel or testing just to run something like the NBA if hospitals aren't fully recovered or test are still in short supply.

Shut everything down then. We may never get a vaccine for this.

That's true it may never be the same and this is the hand we've all been dealt. I travel a lot, my life has probably changed more than most people. No one is happy with this. Still if they opened a basketball arena next month I wouldn't be going to sit in it. You and the other 13% run on down to the arena to see Houston vs Texas Southern though if it's worth it. I'll be avoiding until a lot more is known.

I’m not going to any games through the end of the year.

I’m also not going to wait on a vaccine before I go again, though.

And I like the idea of playing in empty stadiums and arenas next season. Not forever.

(04-15-2020 07:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 07:32 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:20 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  "72% of Americans polled by Seton Hall University's Stillman School of Business said they would not attend if sporting events resumed without a vaccine for the coronavirus. Just 13% of Americans said they would feel comfortable attending games"

Count me as skeptical we even have college athletics until there is a vaccine one has takne or proven successful treatments. I think for most Americans aren't going to be piling into stadiums to watch concerts or game even if they said they were open.

It would make more sense for some of the pro leagues who generate money as a job to open under certain circumstances like testing before each game, playing in a single location, etc but I don't think it makes much sense for most colleges or say ECU to go play USF or someone like that in basketball for example or even football. 350 schools most of which don't generate great interest makes little sense having them travel and fly all over the country just to play games. You have to think schools are more reluctant than pro leagues as well where it's a job.

I do think pro sports like Tennis/Golf/fight sport etc stand the best early chance with no fans. Basketball makes some sense. Football is going to be a different animal. You also have to consider how it looks to draw away medical personnel or testing just to run something like the NBA if hospitals aren't fully recovered or test are still in short supply.

Shut everything down then. We may never get a vaccine for this.

That's true it may never be the same and this is the hand we've all been dealt. I travel a lot, my life has probably changed more than most people. No one is happy with this. Still if they opened a basketball arena next month I wouldn't be going to sit in it. You and the other 13% run on down to the arena to see Houston vs Texas Southern though if it's worth it. I'll be avoiding until a lot more is known.

No one is going to make you go to a basketball game. But how many people will die if they have no job or income? It’s a hard balancing act. Glad I don’t have to make that decision. But then I don’t have all the information he has.

(04-15-2020 08:07 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 07:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:37 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This is why doctors don't run the country. Methinks Fauci is enjoying the spotlight and is overstepping a bit here.

Yup. Some Harvard scientists were suggesting shutting the country down until 2022. If it ever comes to that, then we’ll just open everything back up. And if you’re in the high risk categories then you better take extra precautions. We won’t be doing what we are doing, currently, in 2021. You have to eventually open the country back up.

Agreed, at this point, people in the medical field are going to make all of these assumptions that are going to be totally asinine. If they get it right, they're going to get total credit for it, and want it, too.

I've not seen anyone even saying to shut the country down 3 months much less to 2022. Dr. Fauci has said the economy has to be opened and was talking weeks not even months. I think his main objective was to flatten the curve and keep the hospitals from getting overwealmed right now and buy time so that they can stock up on PPE etc.

Dr. Fauci has an 80% approval rating on Fox New's poll yesterday by far the most trusted voice in the nation on this matter.

(04-15-2020 08:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:07 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 07:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:37 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This is why doctors don't run the country. Methinks Fauci is enjoying the spotlight and is overstepping a bit here.

Yup. Some Harvard scientists were suggesting shutting the country down until 2022. If it ever comes to that, then we’ll just open everything back up. And if you’re in the high risk categories then you better take extra precautions. We won’t be doing what we are doing, currently, in 2021. You have to eventually open the country back up.

Agreed, at this point, people in the medical field are going to make all of these assumptions that are going to be totally asinine. If they get it right, they're going to get total credit for it, and want it, too.

I've not seen anyone even saying to shut the country down 3 months much less to 2022. Dr. Fauci has said the economy has to be opened and was talking weeks not even months. I think his main objective was to flatten the curve and keep the hospitals from getting overwealmed right now and buy time so that they can stock up.

Dr. Fauci has an 80% approval rating on Fox New's poll yesterday by far the most trusted voice in the nation on this matter.

I agree with all of this. There was a report that came out today about shutting down the country until 2022 from Harvard scientists.

(04-15-2020 08:10 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  But how many people will die if they have no job or income?

How many people are going to die in the richest country in the world in a matter of weeks with no income because of what food, suicide? I'd say zero on the food if the goverment is funtioning like it should and big mistakes aren't being made. People aren't going to starve, and suicides aren't going to out pace Covid deaths like Trump suggested either. It's not even in the same galaxy. In the great depression life expectancy actually increased overall and only suicides increased as far as death rates but that was only 2% of the deaths. I think most people agree there is a point where the benifet of shutting down doesn't outweigh the damage to economy. I've heard Dr. Fauci say as much. This is more about not overwelming the hospitals. Many people will eventually end up getting this probably but if it is more of a trickle instead of a firehose then you don't run into situation where you can't treat everyone and people die because they can't even get into a hospital like happened in Italy. That's what this was about and many people require hospitalizations of all ages. It's not just the old. It was 40% of all hospitalzations were 20-54 I read at one point.

(04-15-2020 07:06 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:37 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This is why doctors don't run the country. Methinks Fauci is enjoying the spotlight and is overstepping a bit here.

Trump threatens to fire the top doctor leading this in the middle of a pandimic on twitter and the minions carry the water out in the world to lay the ground work if and when that happens. Shocking how that works.

I guess I’m one of the minions. I believe that Trump loves America and does what he thinks is best for the American people.

You really believe this or u trolling?

(04-15-2020 08:32 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:07 PM)GoDownSwinging Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 07:34 PM)Joprior23 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:37 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This is why doctors don't run the country. Methinks Fauci is enjoying the spotlight and is overstepping a bit here.

Yup. Some Harvard scientists were suggesting shutting the country down until 2022. If it ever comes to that, then we’ll just open everything back up. And if you’re in the high risk categories then you better take extra precautions. We won’t be doing what we are doing, currently, in 2021. You have to eventually open the country back up.

Agreed, at this point, people in the medical field are going to make all of these assumptions that are going to be totally asinine. If they get it right, they're going to get total credit for it, and want it, too.

I've not seen anyone even saying to shut the country down 3 months much less to 2022. Dr. Fauci has said the economy has to be opened and was talking weeks not even months. I think his main objective was to flatten the curve and keep the hospitals from getting overwealmed right now and buy time so that they can stock up on PPE etc.

Dr. Fauci has an 80% approval rating on Fox New's poll yesterday by far the most trusted voice in the nation on this matter.

Having an approval on fox news is like having an approval on those tabloid newspapers at the check out aisle in walmart. If they open this country back up again in weeks it'd be the dumbest thing in history.

Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I mean Lets fire the top medical offical in the middle of this pandemic who's advice seems to be working and has an 80% approval rating most everyone trust both sides of the isle? It just more chaos.

I agree we are in no shape to reopen anytime soon and even if we do most people aren't piling into arenas. Reopening in China meant 4 people in a store that usually held 50. That was after they welded people in their homes to get it under control. Things like the Chineese basketball are still getting delayed so I'm not sure how under control it even is.

(04-15-2020 09:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I mean Lets fire the top medical offical in the middle of this pandemic who's advice seems to be working and has an 80% approval rating most everyone trust both sides of the isle? It just more chaos.

I agree we are in no shape to reopen anytime soon and even if we do most people aren't piling into arenas. Reopening in China meant 4 people in a store that usually held 50. That was after they welded people in their homes to get it under control. Things like the Chineese basketball are still getting delayed so I'm not sure how under control it even is.

The virus has a death rate of below .004% under 50 and healthy. Need to keep those at risk safe and practice caution for others. Sports definitely isn't happening now though. Maybe fall

Destroying companies, jobs, and lives. Open back up may 1st.

(04-15-2020 10:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 09:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I mean Lets fire the top medical offical in the middle of this pandemic who's advice seems to be working and has an 80% approval rating most everyone trust both sides of the isle? It just more chaos.

I agree we are in no shape to reopen anytime soon and even if we do most people aren't piling into arenas. Reopening in China meant 4 people in a store that usually held 50. That was after they welded people in their homes to get it under control. Things like the Chineese basketball are still getting delayed so I'm not sure how under control it even is.

The virus has a death rate of below .004% under 50 and healthy. Need to keep those at risk safe and practice caution for others. Sports definitely isn't happening now though. Maybe fall

Destroying companies, jobs, and lives. Open back up may 1st.

That would be the worst thing possible. We need to ride it out because I for one do not want to do this again. The whole point is this virus spreads so easily and there is no vaccine.
Call me crazy but I value my life over my job.

I work in pro sports and everyone wants to get back to work, but our league is going by the science. Just because Trump wants it, doesn’t mean it’s safe.

In my opinion, pro sports will gear up in June with no fans.


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(04-16-2020 03:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 10:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 09:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I m

The virus has a death rate of below .004% under 50 and healthy. Need to keep those at risk safe and practice caution for others.

Destroying companies, jobs, and lives. Open back up may 1st.

That would be the worst thing possible. We need to ride it out because I for one do not want to do this again. The whole point is this virus spreads so easily and there is no vaccine.
Call me crazy but I value my life over my job.

I work in pro sports and everyone wants to get back to work, but our league is going by the science. Just because Trump wants it, doesn’t mean it’s safe.

In my opinion, pro sports will gear up in June with no fans.


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Opening things up does not mean going back to pre virus status, It simply means easing restrictions. No matter what we do today or tomorrow this will be with us for a long time. The only fix is herd immunity, and that only happens when a decent % of the population has had the virus. We are slowing, not stopping that from happening. which means it will take longer for herd immunity to take place. Bottom line is for those under 50 years old, this is no worse than the flu, which we deal with all the time. For those 65+ which will include me in 3 mos, with a few issues it is much worse. Will I be going to packed restaurants or packed stadiums, or theme parks before a vaccine comes on line? No. Will I take precautions in stores, like I do now in groceries? yes. Once a vaccine comes on line in 18 mos. or so, It first needs to be given to medical people, and first responders, and then to the elderly and at risk people who are not elderly.

We should as a country never go 100% back to the old normal. Not shaking hands with everyone is a good idea, virus or no virus.

Did you guys all get your Ebola and your SARS vaccines this year? Oh that's right, those don't exist. Just like a Covid-19 vaccine might never exist, and even if we get one it could be WAY more than a year or 18 months before we do. Do people really think the government can just keep printing money forever? The consequences of this if it keeps up will be massive inflation and massive unemployment, the Great Depression x 10. And if you don't think THAT will cause way more deaths than the virus you're being very naive.

(04-15-2020 07:06 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:37 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  This is why doctors don't run the country. Methinks Fauci is enjoying the spotlight and is overstepping a bit here.

Trump threatens to fire the top doctor leading this in the middle of a pandimic on twitter and the minions carry the water out in the world to lay the ground work if and when that happens. Shocking how that works.

I guess I’m one of the minions. I believe that Trump loves America and does what he thinks is best for the American people.

You think loving the country is a basis for what is right? How naive.

(04-15-2020 09:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I mean Lets fire the top medical offical in the middle of this pandemic who's advice seems to be working and has an 80% approval rating most everyone trust both sides of the isle? It just more chaos.

I agree we are in no shape to reopen anytime soon and even if we do most people aren't piling into arenas. Reopening in China meant 4 people in a store that usually held 50. That was after they welded people in their homes to get it under control. Things like the Chineese basketball are still getting delayed so I'm not sure how under control it even is.

I was talking about his comments on sports. In no way was I talking about how he addresses this pandemic. His job is to assess the medical side not economics.

(04-16-2020 07:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Did you guys all get your Ebola and your SARS vaccines this year? Oh that's right, those don't exist. Just like a Covid-19 vaccine might never exist, and even if we get one it could be WAY more than a year or 18 months before we do. Do people really think the government can just keep printing money forever? The consequences of this if it keeps up will be massive inflation and massive unemployment, the Great Depression x 10. And if you don't think THAT will cause way more deaths than the virus you're being very naive.

Ur solution?

(04-16-2020 03:16 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 10:38 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 09:56 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Maybe that original poster didn't actually mean it that way but when the President tweets #firefauci the online followers kick into gear I figured it was the same laying of groundwork I've seen elsewhere. I mean Lets fire the top medical offical in the middle of this pandemic who's advice seems to be working and has an 80% approval rating most everyone trust both sides of the isle? It just more chaos.

I agree we are in no shape to reopen anytime soon and even if we do most people aren't piling into arenas. Reopening in China meant 4 people in a store that usually held 50. That was after they welded people in their homes to get it under control. Things like the Chineese basketball are still getting delayed so I'm not sure how under control it even is.

The virus has a death rate of below .004% under 50 and healthy. Need to keep those at risk safe and practice caution for others. Sports definitely isn't happening now though. Maybe fall

Destroying companies, jobs, and lives. Open back up may 1st.

That would be the worst thing possible. We need to ride it out because I for one do not want to do this again. The whole point is this virus spreads so easily and there is no vaccine.
Call me crazy but I value my life over my job.

I work in pro sports and everyone wants to get back to work, but our league is going by the science. Just because Trump wants it, doesn’t mean it’s safe.

In my opinion, pro sports will gear up in June with no fans.


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+1

(04-16-2020 07:53 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 07:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Did you guys all get your Ebola and your SARS vaccines this year? Oh that's right, those don't exist. Just like a Covid-19 vaccine might never exist, and even if we get one it could be WAY more than a year or 18 months before we do. Do people really think the government can just keep printing money forever? The consequences of this if it keeps up will be massive inflation and massive unemployment, the Great Depression x 10. And if you don't think THAT will cause way more deaths than the virus you're being very naive.

Ur solution?

The same solution as we've had since the dawn of time. Natural selection. Most people will develop immunity, some will die. I don't ever want anyone to die, but they do, every day, from a myriad of causes. That's life.

When are we going to stop tornadoes and hurricanes? Answer: we aren't. You can't beat Mother Nature.

(04-16-2020 08:01 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 07:53 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 07:45 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Did you guys all get your Ebola and your SARS vaccines this year? Oh that's right, those don't exist. Just like a Covid-19 vaccine might never exist, and even if we get one it could be WAY more than a year or 18 months before we do. Do people really think the government can just keep printing money forever? The consequences of this if it keeps up will be massive inflation and massive unemployment, the Great Depression x 10. And if you don't think THAT will cause way more deaths than the virus you're being very naive.

Ur solution?

The same solution as we've had since the dawn of time. Natural selection. Most people will develop immunity, some will die. I don't ever want anyone to die, but they do, every day, from a myriad of causes. That's life.

When are we going to stop tornadoes and hurricanes? Answer: we aren't. You can't beat Mother Nature.

Dear god. So myopic.

Let the weak die. Yikes.

(04-16-2020 08:10 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Dear god. So myopic.

Let the weak die. Yikes.

The strong survive and the weak die. That's the law of nature. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that doesn't change it.

Fauci is not an expert on how to operate restaurants safely. People in the restaurant industry are.

Fauci is not an expert on how to operate sporting events safely. People in the various sporting fields are.

Fauci is not an expert on how/when to re-open the largest economy on the planet. Trump, Pence, and those we elected are.

Fauci IS an expert on infectious diseases... so, while we ought to be listening to him and considering everything he says that is virus-related, we DEFINITELY don't want him MAKING the big decisions. That isn't his job, his specialty, or his right, honestly. He said we should never shake hands again.