(04-15-2020 04:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 10:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 09:42 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 09:27 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  That's probably the best college athletics quote of all time. For example, common sense says that probably only about 1 in 10 schools across all divisions that currently have football should have football. Why do the other 90% have it anyway? Ego.

As much as what I laud the virtues of the G5 football program making a request to temporarily cut the other 15 sports to salvage it is despicable.

What they should be doing instead is mandating 50% salary cuts across the athletic department at places where they are paying 1 million plus.

To save 900k a year on soccer by cutting it when the FB coach makes 3 times times is terrible.

Yup - Fickel's base is $2.4 M, with easy incentives could get him 300K additional.

Plus how much do the assistants make?

How much does UC football lose a year?

I'm a hoops guy, and I would say you should also lay it at the feet of that program, too. Traditionally, basketball was the only money-making sport at D1 schools. That isn't even true anymore because of staffing. And, if you give away your home games in the non-conference, forget it.

From the article: "The move had been discussed there internally prior, in part because the Big 12, where university officials have long targeted as a potential landing spot, doesn’t offer men’s soccer."

UC Soccer wasn't cut just because of COVID. COVID was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Sure, but that doesn’t dismiss the cost of other sports, especially the “revenue” ones that don’t necessarily haul in money. Wasn’t in 2015 when Cincy only walked away with $90K for hoops?

I’m one to toss things on the football pile, but, at a place like Cincy, it does hurt the whole department when its legacy sport isn’t carrying the load better.

Blaming Covid isn’t completely in frame. Maybe blaming Covid for canceling the men’s hoops tournament and Cincy’s likely intake is?

So Cincinnati cuts men’s soccer and we have fans of Cal-Santa Barbara and a MAC school throwing bombs? Seriously? You guys wish your school had UC’s profile. You know what they say about glass houses...

(04-15-2020 01:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  So Cincinnati cuts men’s soccer and we have fans of Cal-Santa Barbara and a MAC school throwing bombs? Seriously? You guys wish your school had UC’s profile. You know what they say about glass houses...

A profile of being a top academic institution is nice. And our location too.

The Cleveland State's and UC Santa Barbara's of the world may yet be impacted as well by needing to cut sports. Or perhaps, because this CSU and UC don't play football and thus aren't dependent on its revenue to fund everything else, we emerge relatively unscathed. You can't be hurt with reduced athletics financial windfall if you never see it to begin with.

But dropping a sport so suddenly is disappointing.

(04-15-2020 01:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 01:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  So Cincinnati cuts men’s soccer and we have fans of Cal-Santa Barbara and a MAC school throwing bombs? Seriously? You guys wish your school had UC’s profile. You know what they say about glass houses...

A profile of being a top academic institution is nice. And our location too.

The Cleveland State's and UC Santa Barbara's of the world may yet be impacted as well by needing to cut sports. Or perhaps, because this CSU and UC don't play football and thus aren't dependent on its revenue to fund everything else, we emerge relatively unscathed. You can't be hurt with reduced athletics financial windfall if you never see it to begin with.

But dropping a sport so suddenly is disappointing.

Get off your high horse. 76% of UCSB’s athletic budget are financed through subsidies... and that is without football.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

(04-15-2020 01:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 01:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 01:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  So Cincinnati cuts men’s soccer and we have fans of Cal-Santa Barbara and a MAC school throwing bombs? Seriously? You guys wish your school had UC’s profile. You know what they say about glass houses...

A profile of being a top academic institution is nice. And our location too.

The Cleveland State's and UC Santa Barbara's of the world may yet be impacted as well by needing to cut sports. Or perhaps, because this CSU and UC don't play football and thus aren't dependent on its revenue to fund everything else, we emerge relatively unscathed. You can't be hurt with reduced athletics financial windfall if you never see it to begin with.

But dropping a sport so suddenly is disappointing.

Get off your high horse. 76% of UCSB’s athletic budget are financed through subsidies... and that is without football.

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

76% Subsidized or not, they're not the ones eliminating sports out of budgetary concerns or Title IX concerns (so far).

yes UCSB has a smaller budget, and a much larger percentage subsidized vis a vis Cincinbati or Old Dominion. They're also in the most compact league possible which cuts travel time and expenses to a bare minimum. Something that might save sports from being dropped.

If football and MBB are both postponed next fall, however, we all take a bath and we'll all make cuts.

(04-14-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Great quote:

The same could be said for schools in the Northeast, as it makes more sense for Boston College, Rhode Island, Holy Cross and UConn to play each other in non-revenue sports than many of their far-flung geographic league peers. “You would have to get to a place where people put a lot of ego aside,” said another AD in the Group of Five. “Sports is driven more by ego than common sense.”

That's probably the best college athletics quote of all time. For example, common sense says that probably only about 1 in 10 schools across all divisions that currently have football should have football. Why do the other 90% have it anyway? Ego.

Sometimes Ego is what gets you from point A to point B when there was absolutely no reason you should have accomplished the trek. Ego climbed Everest the first time it was scaled. And as with all things human as surely as it can drive one to great heights, it is almost assuredly the catalyst for great falls. It is what makes us the unique, overreaching, driven people that we are. Without it we would all be slaves, and likely celibate ones at that.

So give Ego a break. It's to be disciplined, not chastised or eliminated.

(04-16-2020 06:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Great quote:

The same could be said for schools in the Northeast, as it makes more sense for Boston College, Rhode Island, Holy Cross and UConn to play each other in non-revenue sports than many of their far-flung geographic league peers. “You would have to get to a place where people put a lot of ego aside,” said another AD in the Group of Five. “Sports is driven more by ego than common sense.”

That's probably the best college athletics quote of all time. For example, common sense says that probably only about 1 in 10 schools across all divisions that currently have football should have football. Why do the other 90% have it anyway? Ego.

Sometimes Ego is what gets you from point A to point B when there was absolutely no reason you should have accomplished the trek. Ego climbed Everest the first time it was scaled. And as with all things human as surely as it can drive one to great heights, it is almost assuredly the catalyst for great falls. It is what makes us the unique, overreaching, driven people that we are. Without it we would all be slaves, and likely celibate ones at that.

So give Ego a break. It's to be disciplined, not chastised or eliminated.

This post is the most important that I have read in a long time. It is what drives entrepreneurs. Thanks JRsec.

(04-16-2020 07:42 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(04-16-2020 06:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:18 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Great quote:

The same could be said for schools in the Northeast, as it makes more sense for Boston College, Rhode Island, Holy Cross and UConn to play each other in non-revenue sports than many of their far-flung geographic league peers. “You would have to get to a place where people put a lot of ego aside,” said another AD in the Group of Five. “Sports is driven more by ego than common sense.”

That's probably the best college athletics quote of all time. For example, common sense says that probably only about 1 in 10 schools across all divisions that currently have football should have football. Why do the other 90% have it anyway? Ego.

Sometimes Ego is what gets you from point A to point B when there was absolutely no reason you should have accomplished the trek. Ego climbed Everest the first time it was scaled. And as with all things human as surely as it can drive one to great heights, it is almost assuredly the catalyst for great falls. It is what makes us the unique, overreaching, driven people that we are. Without it we would all be slaves, and likely celibate ones at that.

So give Ego a break. It's to be disciplined, not chastised or eliminated.

This post is the most important that I have read in a long time. It is what drives entrepreneurs. Thanks JRsec.

However, Athletic Directors are rarely entrepreneurs. They are most likely long time college sports fans who love the "collegiate model" of not paying labor, love to accept gifts from the bowl cartel, and willingly give out mind-boggling contracts which not only have built-in extensions and raises, but on the other side have to pay their compatriots a "buyout fee" to get their net hire.

Regardless of fundraising, entrepreneurs have four words for them:
Bad at Business Negotiation

(04-15-2020 09:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  The real question is what the P5 thinks about this. The NCAA can relax some requirements, but if the P5 opposes, that could lead to other moves.

If waivers are granted allowing sports to be temporarily dropped, but there is no flexibility on conference reorg, the NCAA may have to update the commercials it runs during college football games celebrating the exploits of athletes in non-revenue sports, and implicitly the NCAA's role in nurturing these athletes. Maybe the end of the commercials could be amended to have a male and female athlete enter stage right waving large BS flags?