(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

She's not. She's an dictatorial fool.

Look at the order she issued. You can drive across the state to go to a park, but not your vacation home. You can't currently buy seeds to plant your garden because that isn't "essential." You can take a kayak or a canoe out, but if you take a motor powered boat you get fined.

Michigan's COVID problem is centered in Detroit. She should focus on that.

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

Cucks crave leaders. Glad you found one.

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

Proof of the excellent leadership Tom would like us all to be under. No thanks.

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

She's shooting for dictator not leader but you seem fine with that. Her laws are arbitrary and make no sense. You seem fine with that also. You seem to be one who would trade liberty for security. You do remember the quote from a founder on that don't you?

Trump will win Michigan again because of her.

(04-15-2020 05:34 AM)TripleA Wrote:  ^^ Fascinating article. Thanks for posting.

(04-15-2020 08:37 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

She's not. She's an dictatorial fool.

Look at the order she issued. You can drive across the state to go to a park, but not your vacation home. You can't currently buy seeds to plant your garden because that isn't "essential." You can take a kayak or a canoe out, but if you take a motor powered boat you get fined.

Michigan's COVID problem is centered in Detroit. She should focus on that.

You can buy lottery tickets, pot or get an abortion though. Those are essential services, I guess.

(04-15-2020 12:16 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:37 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

She's not. She's an dictatorial fool.

Look at the order she issued. You can drive across the state to go to a park, but not your vacation home. You can't currently buy seeds to plant your garden because that isn't "essential." You can take a kayak or a canoe out, but if you take a motor powered boat you get fined.

Michigan's COVID problem is centered in Detroit. She should focus on that.

You can buy lottery tickets, pot or get an abortion though. Those are essential services, I guess.

Yep, she's all about saving lives.

(04-15-2020 08:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:03 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:56 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

Kind of like the Michigan governor except she considers it law.

That woman is a complete fool

And she's saving lives without caring whether it costs her job or not. You know, like a real leader does.

Yea, what a hero. If you stroll to the edge of your yard and chat with your neighbor you can both be arrested.

Go to Walmart to buy some tomato or pepper seeds? No can do.

Wanna get out of an infected cesspool like Detroit and go to your remote bungalow you’ve worked all your life to acquire? Nope, potential jail time.

This! Right here, folks! Is what heroic leadership looks like to the left.

Seems there’s another name for this sort of thing, slipping my mind right now tho.

Trump is once again playing chess while the governors play checkers.

Once the Democrat government cabals make their plans public, a Republican state can then claim they are restricting the commerce of businesses in their state. Then it becomes an interstate commerce issue. Then Trump will waltz in.

Unless the plans are extremely accommodating, this is more likely to happen than not.

(04-15-2020 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

I actually think the Commerce Clause might bail him out if he ever felt the need to use it, since almost all U.S. commerce is across state lines, due to the supply chain.

But it would be a bad PR move if he did and deaths went way up. This is going to be such a jumbled mess I doubt he tries to club anybody. PR too risky before an election.

Smarter to let the decisions fall on the governors.

He's not letting anything. He basically has no power here, and someone with the actual facts must have pounded that into his orange face. Evidenced by is 180 yesterday. Further, the CEO's have even more power and will do what's right to protect their most valued resource, their employees and customers.

Go back and read the Commerce clause. For an "indy," you always see things one way when it comes to Trump.

It's not cut and dried.

(04-15-2020 12:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 08:03 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Whatever happened, Trump backed completely off bossing the govs around today. Had a totally different attitude.

Then at the end, he couldn't resist taking one last shot at the govs when he left, threatening to come down hard on them if they messed up, lol.

I think somebody probably told him if he tried to direct the states, they would sue him and he would lose in court. They're all going to be on different schedules, anyway.

Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

I actually think the Commerce Clause might bail him out if he ever felt the need to use it, since almost all U.S. commerce is across state lines, due to the supply chain.

But it would be a bad PR move if he did and deaths went way up. This is going to be such a jumbled mess I doubt he tries to club anybody. PR too risky before an election.

Smarter to let the decisions fall on the governors.

He's not letting anything. He basically has no power here, and someone with the actual facts must have pounded that into his orange face. Evidenced by is 180 yesterday. Further, the CEO's have even more power and will do what's right to protect their most valued resource, their employees and customers.

Go back and read the Commerce clause. For an "indy," you always see things one way when it comes to Trump.

It's not cut and dried.

Yeah...so, trump is in no way independent of anything. And as I've said on numerous occasions, my independence is only from political parties, not ideologies, of which the orange idiot and I share basically nothing.

And my comments are more to my last sentence. He has no power to tell my CEO to tell us to return to the office. He has no power to make the NFL hold their season, or make college football happen in late August. He can't make scared people go to malls or concerts or conventions or sit in restaurants and rub shoulders with people.

(04-15-2020 01:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 12:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

I actually think the Commerce Clause might bail him out if he ever felt the need to use it, since almost all U.S. commerce is across state lines, due to the supply chain.

But it would be a bad PR move if he did and deaths went way up. This is going to be such a jumbled mess I doubt he tries to club anybody. PR too risky before an election.

Smarter to let the decisions fall on the governors.

He's not letting anything. He basically has no power here, and someone with the actual facts must have pounded that into his orange face. Evidenced by is 180 yesterday. Further, the CEO's have even more power and will do what's right to protect their most valued resource, their employees and customers.

Go back and read the Commerce clause. For an "indy," you always see things one way when it comes to Trump.

It's not cut and dried.

Yeah...so, trump is in no way independent of anything. And as I've said on numerous occasions, my independence is only from political parties, not ideologies, of which the orange idiot and I share basically nothing.

And my comments are more to my last sentence. He has no power to tell my CEO to tell us to return to the office. He has no power to make the NFL hold their season, or make college football happen in late August. He can't make scared people go to malls or concerts or conventions or sit in restaurants and rub shoulders with people.

but if he has the power to open up interstate commerce, won't businesses most likely follow suit since it's in their interest?

(04-15-2020 01:17 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 01:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 12:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I actually think the Commerce Clause might bail him out if he ever felt the need to use it, since almost all U.S. commerce is across state lines, due to the supply chain.

But it would be a bad PR move if he did and deaths went way up. This is going to be such a jumbled mess I doubt he tries to club anybody. PR too risky before an election.

Smarter to let the decisions fall on the governors.

He's not letting anything. He basically has no power here, and someone with the actual facts must have pounded that into his orange face. Evidenced by is 180 yesterday. Further, the CEO's have even more power and will do what's right to protect their most valued resource, their employees and customers.

Go back and read the Commerce clause. For an "indy," you always see things one way when it comes to Trump.

It's not cut and dried.

Yeah...so, trump is in no way independent of anything. And as I've said on numerous occasions, my independence is only from political parties, not ideologies, of which the orange idiot and I share basically nothing.

And my comments are more to my last sentence. He has no power to tell my CEO to tell us to return to the office. He has no power to make the NFL hold their season, or make college football happen in late August. He can't make scared people go to malls or concerts or conventions or sit in restaurants and rub shoulders with people.

but if he has the power to open up interstate commerce, won't businesses most likely follow suit since it's in their interest?

Exactly what interstate commerce is shut down? It's not a tap you turn on and off. It's thousands and thousands of businesses (and states) working together that make the commerce happen. If a few key players are still shut down to make things safe for their employees and customers, you will still see drastic effects.

(04-15-2020 01:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 12:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:30 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 08:11 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 06:25 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ummm. Reality happened. As often does with trump. He just spouts off the moronic idea as soon as it pops into his head and then deals with facts later.

I actually think the Commerce Clause might bail him out if he ever felt the need to use it, since almost all U.S. commerce is across state lines, due to the supply chain.

But it would be a bad PR move if he did and deaths went way up. This is going to be such a jumbled mess I doubt he tries to club anybody. PR too risky before an election.

Smarter to let the decisions fall on the governors.

He's not letting anything. He basically has no power here, and someone with the actual facts must have pounded that into his orange face. Evidenced by is 180 yesterday. Further, the CEO's have even more power and will do what's right to protect their most valued resource, their employees and customers.

Go back and read the Commerce clause. For an "indy," you always see things one way when it comes to Trump.

It's not cut and dried.

Yeah...so, trump is in no way independent of anything. And as I've said on numerous occasions, my independence is only from political parties, not ideologies, of which the orange idiot and I share basically nothing.

And my comments are more to my last sentence. He has no power to tell my CEO to tell us to return to the office. He has no power to make the NFL hold their season, or make college football happen in late August. He can't make scared people go to malls or concerts or conventions or sit in restaurants and rub shoulders with people.

Of course, none of which is what is being considered, proposed, or even contemplated by people with more than two functioning brain cells.

He, nor anyone, could tell a free people to go to the mall or a football game prior, Who is suggesting they can now?

C’mon