(04-13-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  It is selfishness for people to attend church services. Many religious leaders gone online services to protect the flock. Jesus would have want us to stay home on attend online or watched on tv. He would not want you to go to service in a packed house to spread the virus around. This is why these people in Kentucky are a bunch of idiots for attending. All it does is to spread the illness around, and keep us to stay at home longer.

LOL. Thanks wise sage.

(04-13-2020 01:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:32 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:08 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-12-2020 10:38 PM)shere khan Wrote:  My body my choice. I dont need some male governor telling me

It’s not just your body at risk. No one cares about you getting it. They care about who you can spread it to.

Oh really. It their body their choice too. They dont have to show up. Freedom of choice.

You really think that's a line of logic you want to follow though to its ultimate end

Good luck.

Prog filth. Show me your papers. Frickin sheep.

It’s not just the people at the church service you can spread it to.

Just like vaccines delivered to a child, it’s about public health. It’s fairly simple. Not everyone who disagrees with you is prog filth, either.

You do know, just as these people chose that their right to go to church was greater than if they catch this virus...

you have that same right to keep your ass locked in your home till your government tells you all clear. No one is forcing you to leave your home. Do that and lock your door and dont let anyone in....

you are 100% safe

There's nothing in the data to suggest anyone at that church is going to catch and then pass on the conrovirus. Than you walking in a store, catching it and passing it on. Or you going to work on Monday, catching it from one of the many people you work with. Then passing it on. Or the example I like to use most often...

Distilleries in KY is open producing alcohol...the kind the Governor and all of his friends drink. Not rubbing. Parking lots full, with 75 to 100 cars, daily, in the one that I drive by each day.

Why is producing liquor more important and less dangerous than people going to church? Isnt it just as likely someone working in a plant will catch this virus and give it to others? So these arbitrary rules isnt just "about public health".

Here's the deal, if you are old, 70+ and/or sickly...you should keep your ass locked behind a door wit ZERO visitors. Those are the one's at risk from dying.

Again no one is forcing any other person to leave their home....

its a choice and once they make that choice, they know the risk, that they might come in contact with a person with this virus. You know the risk...yet you probably leave your home daily. Dont give me no bullcrap that you have to leave your home. You dont...a lot of places delivers everything you need to stay alive, locked in your home. A lot of people are going without a pay check because of arbitrary rules. If you say otherwise you are talking bullcrap and just want others to change their life, for you.

I only leave when necessary, and when I do I wear a mask and keep my distance. I watched a church service online yesterday like a lot of others. Hopefully the folks who went to church in person wore masks and kept their distance too.

Look I’m not arguing people should face charges or anything, and I acknowledge that some people in positions of power use a crisis to try to reduce civil liberties. I’m not for any of that. All I’m saying is it’s irresponsible to have church services right now.

We’re told in scripture to follow the laws of the land and preachers are asked to protect the flock. The overwhelming majority of pastors and preachers are following suit and doing just that.

(04-13-2020 07:20 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 01:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:32 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:08 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  It’s not just your body at risk. No one cares about you getting it. They care about who you can spread it to.

Oh really. It their body their choice too. They dont have to show up. Freedom of choice.

You really think that's a line of logic you want to follow though to its ultimate end

Good luck.

Prog filth. Show me your papers. Frickin sheep.

It’s not just the people at the church service you can spread it to.

Just like vaccines delivered to a child, it’s about public health. It’s fairly simple. Not everyone who disagrees with you is prog filth, either.

You do know, just as these people chose that their right to go to church was greater than if they catch this virus...

you have that same right to keep your ass locked in your home till your government tells you all clear. No one is forcing you to leave your home. Do that and lock your door and dont let anyone in....

you are 100% safe

There's nothing in the data to suggest anyone at that church is going to catch and then pass on the conrovirus. Than you walking in a store, catching it and passing it on. Or you going to work on Monday, catching it from one of the many people you work with. Then passing it on. Or the example I like to use most often...

Distilleries in KY is open producing alcohol...the kind the Governor and all of his friends drink. Not rubbing. Parking lots full, with 75 to 100 cars, daily, in the one that I drive by each day.

Why is producing liquor more important and less dangerous than people going to church? Isnt it just as likely someone working in a plant will catch this virus and give it to others? So these arbitrary rules isnt just "about public health".

Here's the deal, if you are old, 70+ and/or sickly...you should keep your ass locked behind a door wit ZERO visitors. Those are the one's at risk from dying.

Again no one is forcing any other person to leave their home....

its a choice and once they make that choice, they know the risk, that they might come in contact with a person with this virus. You know the risk...yet you probably leave your home daily. Dont give me no bullcrap that you have to leave your home. You dont...a lot of places delivers everything you need to stay alive, locked in your home. A lot of people are going without a pay check because of arbitrary rules. If you say otherwise you are talking bullcrap and just want others to change their life, for you.

I only leave when necessary, and when I do I wear a mask and keep my distance. I watched a church service online yesterday like a lot of others. Hopefully the folks who went to church in person wore masks and kept their distance too.

Look I’m not arguing people should face charges or anything, and I acknowledge that some people in positions of power use a crisis to try to reduce civil liberties. I’m not for any of that. All I’m saying is it’s irresponsible to have church services right now.

We’re told in scripture to follow the laws of the land and preachers are asked to protect the flock. The overwhelming majority of pastors and preachers are following suit and doing just that.

If they feel the need to attend Easter service then that is their right just as it is your right not to. The fallacy of believing the government or any other human entity can keep you safe will be the undoing of this country.

(04-13-2020 07:20 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  We’re told in scripture to follow the laws of the land and preachers are asked to protect the flock. The overwhelming majority of pastors and preachers are following suit and doing just that.

No one is arguing that its wrong for any pastor to not hold regular worship service if they see fit over this. That really has nothing to do with anyone's objections.

I think for the most part, many ministers have heeded the call and did what was asked. I know of several that started holding "drive-in" services. Everyone sits in their cars, the pastor stands on the church porch, and his sermon is transmitted through a microphone over a radio station. Similar to Christmas lights tuned into music. I've heard some authorities breaking that up even though no one was out of the cars.

It all depends on how everyone interprets the law... Here the cops aren't going to bother you if you're out taking a walk. If it's a group then they do something or if there's like 3 or 4 cars in the driveway and they run tag numbers, they'll go to the door and ask for everyone to return to their homes.. In extreme cases they issue a citation. The stay at home order here gives them that authority nothing more or less.

(04-13-2020 07:20 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 01:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:32 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:08 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  It’s not just your body at risk. No one cares about you getting it. They care about who you can spread it to.

Oh really. It their body their choice too. They dont have to show up. Freedom of choice.

You really think that's a line of logic you want to follow though to its ultimate end

Good luck.

Prog filth. Show me your papers. Frickin sheep.

It’s not just the people at the church service you can spread it to.

Just like vaccines delivered to a child, it’s about public health. It’s fairly simple. Not everyone who disagrees with you is prog filth, either.

You do know, just as these people chose that their right to go to church was greater than if they catch this virus...

you have that same right to keep your ass locked in your home till your government tells you all clear. No one is forcing you to leave your home. Do that and lock your door and dont let anyone in....

you are 100% safe

There's nothing in the data to suggest anyone at that church is going to catch and then pass on the conrovirus. Than you walking in a store, catching it and passing it on. Or you going to work on Monday, catching it from one of the many people you work with. Then passing it on. Or the example I like to use most often...

Distilleries in KY is open producing alcohol...the kind the Governor and all of his friends drink. Not rubbing. Parking lots full, with 75 to 100 cars, daily, in the one that I drive by each day.

Why is producing liquor more important and less dangerous than people going to church? Isnt it just as likely someone working in a plant will catch this virus and give it to others? So these arbitrary rules isnt just "about public health".

Here's the deal, if you are old, 70+ and/or sickly...you should keep your ass locked behind a door wit ZERO visitors. Those are the one's at risk from dying.

Again no one is forcing any other person to leave their home....

its a choice and once they make that choice, they know the risk, that they might come in contact with a person with this virus. You know the risk...yet you probably leave your home daily. Dont give me no bullcrap that you have to leave your home. You dont...a lot of places delivers everything you need to stay alive, locked in your home. A lot of people are going without a pay check because of arbitrary rules. If you say otherwise you are talking bullcrap and just want others to change their life, for you.

I only leave when necessary, and when I do I wear a mask and keep my distance. I watched a church service online yesterday like a lot of others. Hopefully the folks who went to church in person wore masks and kept their distance too.

Look I’m not arguing people should face charges or anything, and I acknowledge that some people in positions of power use a crisis to try to reduce civil liberties. I’m not for any of that. All I’m saying is it’s irresponsible to have church services right now.

We’re told in scripture to follow the laws of the land and preachers are asked to protect the flock. The overwhelming majority of pastors and preachers are following suit and doing just that.

When I said 'you' I didn't mean that personally and maybe I should have said everyone of us. The order, is not a law, its just that...a order made up by the Governor of Ky. I really dont know what is allowed by the state, under a EO. But I do know the SC of the USA

Quote: A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one's life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, ARBITRARY, or capricious.

Quote:FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT, ratified in 1868, declares,"[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" (§ 1).

The Governor of KY is making...

Quote:Arbitrary
Irrational; capricious.

The term arbitrary describes a course of action or a decision that is not based on reason or judgment but on personal will or discretion without regard to rules or standards.

When you lock someone up because you 'think' they might have this virus...putting a ankle monitor on someone, is taking away their liberty.

When you allow gathers of 100+ people in one building and not another you must be able to show how one affects the virus and the other one doesnt. Or one is a essential and the other isnt.

The right to worship is in our Constitution, the right to make liquor, isnt. So my argument is constitutional. Not just the right to go to church. The state of Ky has already took the liberty of one man, just because they 'think' he 'could' have this virus. They did this without giving him a simple test that would prove it one way or another.

essential
absolutely necessary; extremely important.


At some point when this is over the government of each state will need to show how their Arbitrary rules/orders affected the rights given to all of us.

ar·bi·trar·y
/ˈärbəˌtrerē/
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adjective
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

In Ky, it's going to be hard to explain why it was absolutely necessary; extremely important, that liquor stores and distilleries, with 100s of people in one building....

absolutely necessary; extremely important

While peoples other rights given to they under our constitution, wasnt.

But I will ask you this. What you deemed necessary, was a CHOICE, no matter what you think. So why do you get to make that choice and others dont? They dont have to go to church but they thought it was necessary. Just like you thought going out of your safe home to go to a store...was necessary. When in fact, today you can order just about anything you need and someone will bring it to your front door

(04-13-2020 01:20 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  But I will ask you this. What you deemed necessary, was a CHOICE, no matter what you think. So why do you get to make that choice and others dont? They dont have to go to church but they thought it was necessary. Just like you thought going out of your safe home to go to a store...was necessary. When in fact, today you can order just about anything you need and someone will bring it to your front door

It's a good question. The right to worship is an important one, and one I would never want to take from a person. And the idea of "necessity" is just as difficult to answer as "which businesses are essential?"

I can only say that most, or nearly all, churches are finding ways to have services online. It's not ideal, but it's an option. It does not require entering a building for someone to worship and read the Word. Just as it isn't necessary for someone to visit a liquor store.

Again, I don't support the restriction of civil liberties. I don't think the Governor's actions are the right ones to take in these instances, because its a slippery slope. But I also think churches still trying to gather need to take a hard look at what they're doing and try to make better decisions.

(04-13-2020 04:21 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Jesus would have want us to stay home on attend online or watched on tv. He would not want you to go to service in a packed house to spread the virus around.

Incredibly ignorant comment that could only be spoken by an unbelieving troll. The same Jesus who was healing the blind, curing lepers and raising the dead would be scared of a flu virus?

MORON

Don't scare David like that. He might think Jesus is coming to cure him and make him get up off the couch and go to work for the first time in his life.

(04-13-2020 04:21 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Jesus would have want us to stay home on attend online or watched on tv. He would not want you to go to service in a packed house to spread the virus around.

Incredibly ignorant comment that could only be spoken by an unbelieving troll. The same Jesus who was healing the blind, curing lepers and raising the dead would be scared of a flu virus?

MORON

Says the moron who did not even properly read what he wrote.

(04-13-2020 07:20 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 01:38 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:32 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:17 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 12:08 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  It’s not just your body at risk. No one cares about you getting it. They care about who you can spread it to.

Oh really. It their body their choice too. They dont have to show up. Freedom of choice.

You really think that's a line of logic you want to follow though to its ultimate end

Good luck.

Prog filth. Show me your papers. Frickin sheep.

It’s not just the people at the church service you can spread it to.

Just like vaccines delivered to a child, it’s about public health. It’s fairly simple. Not everyone who disagrees with you is prog filth, either.

You do know, just as these people chose that their right to go to church was greater than if they catch this virus...

you have that same right to keep your ass locked in your home till your government tells you all clear. No one is forcing you to leave your home. Do that and lock your door and dont let anyone in....

you are 100% safe

There's nothing in the data to suggest anyone at that church is going to catch and then pass on the conrovirus. Than you walking in a store, catching it and passing it on. Or you going to work on Monday, catching it from one of the many people you work with. Then passing it on. Or the example I like to use most often...

Distilleries in KY is open producing alcohol...the kind the Governor and all of his friends drink. Not rubbing. Parking lots full, with 75 to 100 cars, daily, in the one that I drive by each day.

Why is producing liquor more important and less dangerous than people going to church? Isnt it just as likely someone working in a plant will catch this virus and give it to others? So these arbitrary rules isnt just "about public health".

Here's the deal, if you are old, 70+ and/or sickly...you should keep your ass locked behind a door wit ZERO visitors. Those are the one's at risk from dying.

Again no one is forcing any other person to leave their home....

its a choice and once they make that choice, they know the risk, that they might come in contact with a person with this virus. You know the risk...yet you probably leave your home daily. Dont give me no bullcrap that you have to leave your home. You dont...a lot of places delivers everything you need to stay alive, locked in your home. A lot of people are going without a pay check because of arbitrary rules. If you say otherwise you are talking bullcrap and just want others to change their life, for you.

I only leave when necessary, and when I do I wear a mask and keep my distance. I watched a church service online yesterday like a lot of others. Hopefully the folks who went to church in person wore masks and kept their distance too.

Look I’m not arguing people should face charges or anything, and I acknowledge that some people in positions of power use a crisis to try to reduce civil liberties. I’m not for any of that. All I’m saying is it’s irresponsible to have church services right now.

We’re told in scripture to follow the laws of the land and preachers are asked to protect the flock. The overwhelming majority of pastors and preachers are following suit and doing just that.

The preacher in this case did follow the law of the land:


“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

I think for the most part, pastors and churches understand the need to meet online for a few weeks, while at the same time being concerned that religion is one of the first rights that get stripped dating back centuries, and usually once something is taken, it is hard for the government to give back. I get it. I don't agree with the actual in person church services (drive up and stay in cars definitely excluded), but I get it.

The nails the prog filth dumped out looked like pre painted finishing nails. They really are wussies. If it ever does happen its gonna be a huge arse whoopin.

(04-13-2020 03:09 PM)shere khan Wrote:  The nails the prog filth dumped out looked like pre painted finishing nails. They really are wussies. If it ever does happen its gonna be a huge arse whoopin.

Probably the first nails any of them have ever seen, much less used.

You can google churches defying quarantine orders and the resulting infection of dozens of their church-goers all over the place... Arkansas, South Korea, France, Louisiana. I'm all for you practicing your faith, but please don't then defy quarantine orders and bring Covid19 to the grocery store or running trail.

(04-13-2020 03:40 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  You can google churches defying quarantine orders and the resulting infection of dozens of their church-goers all over the place... Arkansas, South Korea, France, Louisiana. I'm all for you practicing your faith, but please don't then defy quarantine orders and bring Covid19 to the grocery store or running trail.

You can google NYC and see the number of DEATHS and I bet 99% of them did not come from someone going to church.

How about the many factors that are still running is it OK with you if they bring the coronavirus into the grocery store or running trail? How about the 100s of people that go into a pet store each and every day. Is it OK with you if they bring the coronavirus into the grocery store or running trail? You can buy pet food while you are in any grocery store. What else does a pet need?

You can name 20 other things that has more than likely caused more coronavirus cases. Or brought it in the store or your running trails. How about those working at the hospital, should we limit their movement just from home to the hospital? The likelihood of a doctor or nurse spreading the conornavirus is higher than someone going to church. Are you OK with them running on your running trails?

While to me this isnt just about church, its about governors, and mayors, making up any rules they want to. Closing down what they deem to be a threat, while leaving other things open that anyone with common sense, can see it's not necessary.

A group of people, if in a plant working side by side,or in a store walking through the same space, that others had walked through. Touching things on shelves, that others touched. Is still a large group of people. The same way a group of people in a church, is just a group of people.

No one can say one group is safer than the other in carrying the virus out in the world.

Let me put this in a term that might be closer to home for you. Early 90s or was it 80s? It's a know fact Gay people were more likely to give someone aids if they had sex and was infected. I bet you would scream at the top of your lungs. If the government said no gay person could have sex. Or closed down all gay bars and anything else related?

(04-13-2020 04:13 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-13-2020 03:40 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  You can google churches defying quarantine orders and the resulting infection of dozens of their church-goers all over the place... Arkansas, South Korea, France, Louisiana. I'm all for you practicing your faith, but please don't then defy quarantine orders and bring Covid19 to the grocery store or running trail.

You can google NYC and see the number of DEATHS and I bet 99% of them did not come from someone going to church.

How about the many factors that are still running is it OK with you if they bring the coronavirus into the grocery store or running trail? How about the 100s of people that go into a pet store each and every day. Is it OK with you if they bring the coronavirus into the grocery store or running trail? You can buy pet food while you are in any grocery store. What else does a pet need?

You can name 20 other things that has more than likely caused more coronavirus cases. Or brought it in the store or your running trails. How about those working at the hospital, should we limit their movement just from home to the hospital? The likelihood of a doctor or nurse spreading the conornavirus is higher than someone going to church. Are you OK with them running on your running trails?

While to me this isnt just about church, its about governors, and mayors, making up any rules they want to. Closing down what they deem to be a threat, while leaving other things open that anyone with common sense, can see it's not necessary.

A group of people, if in a plant working side by side,or in a store walking through the same space, that others had walked through. Touching things on shelves, that others touched. Is still a large group of people. The same way a group of people in a church, is just a group of people.

No one can say one group is safer than the other in carrying the virus out in the world.

Let me put this in a term that might be closer to home for you. Early 90s or was it 80s? It's a know fact Gay people were more likely to give someone aids if they had sex and was infected. I bet you would scream at the top of your lungs. If the government said no gay person could have sex. Or closed down all gay bars and anything else related?

I'd have been mad about that too (not ghey) and gay is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

All this government protect you from yourself bullshite nanny state commie crap started with seat belts in cars. You can go hell bent for leather on a motorcycle but if you dont wear a seatbelt you get a ticket.

Frick the man. What happened to real liberals?

99% of pasters, preachers, priests, fathers, cardinals and so forth are using the internet, local tv stations or local radio to hold services to avoid spreading the virus. These that do not follow stay at home requests are too lazy to set up these things. When my grandmother was ill, and could not go to church. She stayed home and listened to the services on the radio.

(04-13-2020 06:04 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  99% of pasters, preachers, priests, fathers, cardinals and so forth are using the internet, local tv stations or local radio to hold services to avoid spreading the virus. These that do not follow stay at home requests are too lazy to set up these things. When my grandmother was ill, and could not go to church. She stayed home and listened to the services on the radio.

you lecturing anyone at all on being lazy is the epitome of lol