I’m trying to make a list of the best non power 5 baseball programs over the last decade. The first few that come to mind are

Coastal Carolina
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbra
Rice
Southern Miss
Louisiana
East Carolina
Houston

UConn
Dallas Baptist
Wichita St.

UIC
Wright State

lol and i thought this autonomous stuff was just for football, gosh iam sooo surprised it includes all sports too

(04-10-2020 08:13 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  UConn
Dallas Baptist
Wichita St.

Yup I completely forgot Dallas Baptist

(04-10-2020 08:21 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  lol and i thought this autonomous stuff was just for football, gosh iam sooo surprised it includes all sports too

Have you been under a rock, every sports network says power 5 except basketball they include the Big East.

(04-10-2020 07:52 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  I’m trying to make a list of the best non power 5 baseball programs over the last decade. The first few that come to mind are

Coastal Carolina
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbra
Rice
Southern Miss
Louisiana
East Carolina
Houston

Over the last decade you have some good candidates up there. USM has been pretty good and consistent. Coastal Carolina's "bad" isn't terrible. The Cajuns have been consistent and had the year with almost 60 wins to help bolster them. When looking at all-time winning percent for non-P5 baseball teams you have the following top 10 (this includes this year's partial schedule):

1. Fordham (65.7% over 159 seasons)
2. Wichita State (65.6% over 83 seasons)
3. Oral Roberts (65.4% over 54 seasons)
4. St. John's (65.2% over 100 seasons)
5. East Carolina (65.1% over 71 seasons)
6. Coastal Carolina (64.9% over 44 seasons)
7. Cal State Fullerton (64.7% over 54 seasons)
8. South Alabama (63.2% over 55 seasons)
9. Fresno State (62.5% over 91 seasons)
10. Missouri State (61.6% over 56 seasons)

Up Next: Central Michigan, FIU, BYU, and Seton Hall

What about Saint John's baseball from the Big East? Went to the NCAA Tournament six times during the decade and was often ranked.

My 5:

Cal St Fullerton
Wichita St
Fresno St
Rice
St. John’s

(04-10-2020 09:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  What about Saint John's baseball from the Big East? Went to the NCAA Tournament six times during the decade and was often ranked.

In my opinion the big East is just as much a power conference as the power 5 I should have added them.

I think the Sun Belt and C-USA, in baseball, are kind of like what the A-10 is in basketball: roughly top ten leagues; can produce national title contenders/winners (Coastal, Rice) like the A-10 (Dayton); have teams that go toe-to-toe with good P5 programs.

Anyway, there is definitely more parity in baseball than there is in basketball and definitely in football.

(04-10-2020 07:52 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  I’m trying to make a list of the best non power 5 baseball programs over the last decade. The first few that come to mind are

Coastal Carolina
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbra
Rice
Southern Miss
Louisiana
East Carolina
Houston

How come I knew ULL would be on the list before I even looked at the post?

Missouri State

UNCW and College of Charleston are the class of the CAA.

UNCW made the tourney 6 times in the 2010s and 4 times in the 2000s. Only one year did they go two and out. Have never been to a super, but have by far the largest fanbase in the league. Average about 1,000 a game usually when most of the other schools struggle to hit a couple hundred.

CofC has gone 4 times since 2010, including a super. Both schools routinely get good recruits from North and South Carolina. CofC got the SC player of the year last year over Clemson and South Carolina.

(04-10-2020 10:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:52 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  I’m trying to make a list of the best non power 5 baseball programs over the last decade. The first few that come to mind are

Coastal Carolina
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbra
Rice
Southern Miss
Louisiana
East Carolina
Houston

How come I knew ULL would be on the list before I even looked at the post?

Because you saw the author of the post and we were #1 in the country 5 years ago, but no the main reason of this post is so I can gather information for the sunbelt C-USA realignment thread.

(04-10-2020 11:30 PM)sctvman Wrote:  UNCW and College of Charleston are the class of the CAA.

UNCW made the tourney 6 times in the 2010s and 4 times in the 2000s. Only one year did they go two and out. Have never been to a super, but have by far the largest fanbase in the league. Average about 1,000 a game usually when most of the other schools struggle to hit a couple hundred.

CofC has gone 4 times since 2010, including a super. Both schools routinely get good recruits from North and South Carolina. CofC got the SC player of the year last year over Clemson and South Carolina.

I can go a long with this post. My recent recollection is CoC always being solid. Clemson even poached their HC about 5 years ago (Monte Lee I think his name).

I’ll also go to bat for Mercer. Solid team, seems to always in the mix for NCAAT.

(04-10-2020 09:57 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  What about Saint John's baseball from the Big East? Went to the NCAA Tournament six times during the decade and was often ranked.

In my opinion the big East is just as much a power conference as the power 5 I should have added them.

Are you suggesting the Big East, like the five leagues in the P5, is a "comprehensive power conference"?

The BE — though offering, without question, power men's basketball — is not a "member" of the "exclusive club" that is the Power Five.

A league can be very strong (even "power") in a particular sport (e.g., the BE in men's hoops, the Big West and American in baseball, the National Collegiate Hockey Conference in hockey, etc.). But that fact does not make that league an overall and comprehensive "power conference." There are only five of those and we all know the five. And that "P5" designation, though driven by football, also involves academic budgets, endowments, living alumni, current collective enrollments, athletic department budgets, etc.

The Big East is not part of that overall, and very restrictive, "power structure." As such, I put Saint John's baseball "outside" the P5.

If this were men's basketball we are discussing, I would place Saint John's "inside" what most of us feel is a P6 for that one sport.

There is a distinction to be made.

(04-11-2020 09:13 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:57 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  What about Saint John's baseball from the Big East? Went to the NCAA Tournament six times during the decade and was often ranked.

In my opinion the big East is just as much a power conference as the power 5 I should have added them.

Are you suggesting the Big East, like the five leagues in the P5, is a "comprehensive power conference"?

The BE — though offering, without question, power men's basketball — is not a "member" of the "exclusive club" that is the Power Five.

A league can be very strong (even "power") in a particular sport (e.g., the BE in men's hoops, the Big West and American in baseball, the National Collegiate Hockey Conference in hockey, etc.). But that fact does not make that league an overall and comprehensive "power conference." There are only five of those and we all know the five. And that "P5" designation, though driven by football, also involves academic budgets, endowments, living alumni, current collective enrollments, athletic department budgets, etc.

The Big East is not part of that overall, and very restrictive, "power structure." As such, I put Saint John's baseball "outside" the P5.

If this were men's basketball we are discussing, I would place Saint John's "inside" what most of us feel is a P6 for that one sport.

There is a distinction to be made.

The only reason the Big East is not a “P6” team is because yall do not support football. If y’all did y’all would be know as the P6 unless the athletic budgets are much less than I am anticipating they are.

(04-11-2020 09:13 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:57 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 09:28 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  What about Saint John's baseball from the Big East? Went to the NCAA Tournament six times during the decade and was often ranked.

In my opinion the big East is just as much a power conference as the power 5 I should have added them.

Are you suggesting the Big East, like the five leagues in the P5, is a "comprehensive power conference"?

The BE — though offering, without question, power men's basketball — is not a "member" of the "exclusive club" that is the Power Five.

That's true. I'm a Big East supporter since 1980, but it is a "Power" conference strictly in basketball, and of course it is Football that basically defines what a true "Power" conference is. We have no say at all - less than the Sun Belt does - about football in the various councils, and it is football that drives the entire conference power structure bus.

The Big East is in no way shape or form a "P6" conference, meaning an overall peer of the P5. We just aren't.

(04-11-2020 01:33 AM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 10:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(04-10-2020 07:52 PM)Cajuns1252 Wrote:  I’m trying to make a list of the best non power 5 baseball programs over the last decade. The first few that come to mind are

Coastal Carolina
Cal State Fullerton
UC Santa Barbra
Rice
Southern Miss
Louisiana
East Carolina
Houston

How come I knew ULL would be on the list before I even looked at the post?

Because you saw the author of the post and we were #1 in the country 5 years ago, but no the main reason of this post is so I can gather information for the sunbelt C-USA realignment thread.

I know ULL has good baseball, but I forgot you guys were #1 a few years ago. That is something.