(04-15-2020 03:28 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:17 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Time to open back up in May.

Time to open back up yesterday, but ok.

I never closed.

(04-15-2020 03:29 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:28 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-15-2020 03:17 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Time to open back up in May.

Time to open back up yesterday, but ok.

I never closed.

(04-14-2020 04:04 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 11:52 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 11:46 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(04-14-2020 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  If this goes on much longer, people are going to have to ask themselves and answer existential questions. The most important one is that if you have a choice between losing your home and/or business by continuing the lockdown, or going back to work and having a 1% chance of dying; what would you choose?

I don't see how there's any choice there. The first option is worse than death. It is to me anyway.

At my age range, it's more of a 0.4% of dying ONLY IF I get it to begin with. This is not the same thing as a 0.4% chance of dying if I go outside. Coincidentally, my odds are right around the same of dying if I get the flu, but somehow I've managed to go outside before now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronaviru...ographics/
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/ar...015-10-162

Yeah, the actuarial tables are much different than simply 1%. I get what Stammers is saying, but even the worst hit countries have not seen a 1% death rate of the entire population. Italy, Spain, Belgium, and France have the lead in per capita deaths (excluding China because who knows), and their total rate is "only" around .03%. I guess if we assume everyone will eventually get it, since many "experts" think the actual mortality is 1% then I guess that is the overall risk.

But there's a lot of variance within that mortality rate. If you're above 60, the rate goes up. If you have serious pre-existing medical conditions, the rate goes up. If you're a smoker, the rate goes up. So for some, the decision will be 1 in 1000, and others it will be 1 in 50.

I think we have to be able to do two things at once - live life, and protect ourselves/others. I'm ready to move on with life. The only pause I will have is around older people and young kids. Although kids evidently aren't that vulnerable, I would be devastated to know I infected one.

Whatever the number is. I said 1% as a worst case scenario, but it for sure will be much lower. At 1% you would have an overwhelming majority want to do it, which would drag everyone in at the risk of being left in the dust.

This is 100% a middle class virus and a 100% middle class decision. Most in the upper income bracket with a lot of savings will be content to ride it out until there is little or no risk. Even if they do that, there will be bargains galore when it comes to businesses, real estate and the stock market.

Those in the lower income brackets are probably going to think the same way if government assistance keeps their heads above water. Most Americans will be eager to get back to work but there will be for sure many that aren't going to be motivated by a pay check that is marginally bigger than their welfare check.

The middle class has everything to lose and is the most at risk of almost completely disappearing if this goes on much longer. 6 months of not paying bills, not making mortgage or rent payments is going to be a killer. I can ride this out for a few years if I have to, but even if I live frugally, it will still cost me 30-40k after tax dollars a year to keep what I have; which probably delays my retirement plans for a year or two.

Aside from a dozen or so states, it's almost time. The big talking point is flattening the curve. Once the curve is flattened, IMO it is crucial for whoever is going to get the virus to get it at a pace where local hospitals are not overloaded and stretched beyond their limits. Having nobody get it for a year and then everyone gets it once they leave isolation serves no purpose. Let people out now and bring them back in if new cases are too much of a burden.