I believe this to be a well done investigative report by The Epoch Times.

It's almost an hour long. Do you have CliffsNotes?

Basically the virus probably came from a lab. They show documentation, interview doctors, etc.

(04-08-2020 04:36 PM)hburg Wrote:  Basically the virus probably came from a lab. They show documentation, interview doctors, etc.

I’m not ready to sign up for that one. But we (really, everyone) needs to go over this with a fine-tooth comb.

I dont pretend to know, nor do I know if we will ever be sure of its exact origin---but anyone who claims "its settled science" that the virus DID NOT come from those labs is absolutely full of crap.

This is the problem with 'disease research' and why I mentioned Obama ending the 10yr program we had with China as just as likely a contributor to the issue as Trump cutting some CDC programs (which isn't likely at all, by the way) Sometimes bad things happen, either by accident or design.

The 10yr plan was to improve the ability of Chinese researchers to identify, isolate, research, manipulate, treat and manage pandemic flu-like viruses... like COVID-19.

Inherent in that research is that you have to have the virus and you have to encourage mutation of it.

(04-08-2020 04:44 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:36 PM)hburg Wrote:  Basically the virus probably came from a lab. They show documentation, interview doctors, etc.

I’m not ready to sign up for that one. But we (really, everyone) needs to go over this with a fine-tooth comb.

He's likely right. Even if it was a research thing trying to figure out what these viruses are and how to treat the next pandemic to hit (it will, so long as those markets remain open) I'd bet it walked out of a lab on a coat, OR someone simply got infected, was asymptomatic and spread it anywhere he/she went.

When they looked into the market theory (pimped by the chinese communist party in order to save face...) there was some rather large percent, perhaps as high as 50% that had never been to the market or not even anywhere near it.

And, lets recall the Dr's that first rang the warning bell that this thing was on the loose, the one guy (apparently highly respected) dies from it himself, one or more others that spoke out simply "disappeared". Not the shop keeps in the markets, the DR's trying to warn people and work to find a vaaccine/cure.

Was it Wuhan? Oh, yea. I have NO doubt about that. We got word on it shortly after our T-giving.

The commies still sent everyone home and alllll over the world in mid-December. They don't care. And they LIE about everything.

(04-08-2020 05:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:44 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:36 PM)hburg Wrote:  Basically the virus probably came from a lab. They show documentation, interview doctors, etc.

I’m not ready to sign up for that one. But we (really, everyone) needs to go over this with a fine-tooth comb.

He's likely right. Even if it was a research thing trying to figure out what these viruses are and how to treat the next pandemic to hit (it will, so long as those markets remain open) I'd bet it walked out of a lab on a coat, OR someone simply got infected, was asymptomatic and spread it anywhere he/she went.

When they looked into the market theory (pimped by the chinese communist party in order to save face...) there was some rather large percent, perhaps as high as 50% that had never been to the market or not even anywhere near it.

And, lets recall the Dr's that first rang the warning bell that this thing was on the loose, the one guy (apparently highly respected) dies from it himself, one or more others that spoke out simply "disappeared". Not the shop keeps in the markets, the DR's trying to warn people and work to find a vaaccine/cure.

Was it Wuhan? Oh, yea. I have NO doubt about that. We got word on it shortly after our T-giving.

The commies still sent everyone home and alllll over the world in mid-December. They don't care. And they LIE about everything.

Part of the problem is the lab and the market are actually pretty close. It could have easily been a situation where someone from the lab who was infected went to the market. It could be that animals used in the lab were sold to the market (a heck of a dangerous practice if thats the case). So there are any number of ways for those two locations to overlap.

The research claims that there were no bats being sold at the suspected wet market and that the first case of COVID-19 had no association whatsoever with the Wuhan Market. They interview the doctor who claims to have treated the first case there.

Does the video explain why the virus was centralized in Wuhon and other nearby provinces, and all over the world, especially bad in Central Europe and US big cities, but is basically a non-event in Shanghai and Beijing? Because lawd knows those people live on top of each other too. That tells me there are at least two versions of this virus. Or most likely the tests are picking up similar viruses as positives including the one that "escaped" in Wuhon is the lab version and it mysteriously showed up in Europe and Big US cities in the East.

(04-08-2020 05:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 05:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:44 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 04:36 PM)hburg Wrote:  Basically the virus probably came from a lab. They show documentation, interview doctors, etc.

I’m not ready to sign up for that one. But we (really, everyone) needs to go over this with a fine-tooth comb.

He's likely right. Even if it was a research thing trying to figure out what these viruses are and how to treat the next pandemic to hit (it will, so long as those markets remain open) I'd bet it walked out of a lab on a coat, OR someone simply got infected, was asymptomatic and spread it anywhere he/she went.

When they looked into the market theory (pimped by the chinese communist party in order to save face...) there was some rather large percent, perhaps as high as 50% that had never been to the market or not even anywhere near it.

And, lets recall the Dr's that first rang the warning bell that this thing was on the loose, the one guy (apparently highly respected) dies from it himself, one or more others that spoke out simply "disappeared". Not the shop keeps in the markets, the DR's trying to warn people and work to find a vaaccine/cure.

Was it Wuhan? Oh, yea. I have NO doubt about that. We got word on it shortly after our T-giving.

The commies still sent everyone home and alllll over the world in mid-December. They don't care. And they LIE about everything.

Part of the problem is the lab and the market are actually pretty close. It could have easily been a situation where someone from the lab who was infected went to the market. It could be that animals used in the lab were sold to the market (a heck of a dangerous practice if thats the case). So there are any number of ways for those two locations to overlap.

Yes indeed. And actually I did hear that is has been known that low level employees have been known to skip out with some of the animals and fence them at these markets. At least it's been known to have happened, so not unheard of.

Any or all of these scenarios are entirely possible, that's why we'll likely never know and the chinese communists have Ye Ol plausible deniability. shocking.

Basically its a created virus for just this effect. The Chinese added a specific protein designed to make a bat virus transmittable to humans. Its only seen in HIV, the corona bat virus the Chinese were working on and now Covid 19.

trump has the cure. Probably behind all of it.

(04-09-2020 06:15 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  trump has the cure. Probably behind all of it.

You are a parody of yourself at this point. You are the Spin Room version of Joe Namath in a Rams uniform. Just sad.

Germany is doing antibody testing and have found 15% of those tested have antibodies. Which means they have had the virus before testing even took place. We need to start this so people can go back to work.

Chinese virus wrecks best US economy in 50 years, kills millions globally

Do we need to know more. That pretty much sums it up