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(06-05-2020 12:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Perhaps, but it's my understanding programs are trying to do nearly daily testing of athletes just over the summer return period.

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Daily tests?! Jesus Christ...their moses are going to more ****** than a 90's Wall Street Banker's

Moses?

(06-05-2020 12:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Perhaps, but it's my understanding programs are trying to do nearly daily testing of athletes just over the summer return period.

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Daily tests?! Jesus Christ...their moses are going to more ****** than a 90's Wall Street Banker's

Yeah, but they'll probably still be able to feel their faces afterward.

(06-05-2020 12:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Perhaps, but it's my understanding programs are trying to do nearly daily testing of athletes just over the summer return period.

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Daily tests?! Jesus Christ...their moses are going to more ****** than a 90's Wall Street Banker's

They're already experiencing it...

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(06-05-2020 01:17 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Perhaps, but it's my understanding programs are trying to do nearly daily testing of athletes just over the summer return period.

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Daily tests?! Jesus Christ...their moses are going to more ****** than a 90's Wall Street Banker's

Moses?

Lol...******* fat fingers.

Ok, Miami announces in-person classes in the fall. That means OSU, XU, and Miami will have students on campus..... UC?

(06-05-2020 01:54 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 01:17 PM)converrl Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 12:51 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-05-2020 11:43 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  Perhaps, but it's my understanding programs are trying to do nearly daily testing of athletes just over the summer return period.

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Daily tests?! Jesus Christ...their moses are going to more ****** than a 90's Wall Street Banker's

Moses?

Lol...******* fat fingers.

Let my people go!!

After the crowds at Fountain Square today, looks like all systems are go for a full Nippert Stadium this season.

(06-07-2020 08:39 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  After the crowds at Fountain Square today, looks like all systems are go for a full Nippert Stadium this season.

internetellectual.

(05-24-2020 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Masks (indoors) , limiting mass gatherings, social distancing as best you can ... these are things that will continue to be important even as we open more and more up. Combine those with contact tracing it would be even better. 100,000 dead despite incredible efforts. We need to continue to be vigilant even as we go about more normalized lives.

For this stuff to truly work and be effective you need people willing to put science ahead of their politics. But that's too much to ask from some folks of a certain PC viewpoint these days. So we get confusion and distrust along with less than perfect results

(06-16-2020 01:43 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Masks (indoors) , limiting mass gatherings, social distancing as best you can ... these are things that will continue to be important even as we open more and more up. Combine those with contact tracing it would be even better. 100,000 dead despite incredible efforts. We need to continue to be vigilant even as we go about more normalized lives.

For this stuff to truly work and be effective you need people willing to put science ahead of their politics. But that's too much to ask from some folks of a certain PC viewpoint these days. So we get confusion and distrust along with less than perfect results

I don't think it's some nefarious ploy or PC run amok, as you suggest. The tracers need truthful answers, so they don't want it to seem like an inquisition. This is a common problem when having to gather accurate information about sensitive subjects. Immigration issues, for example, can prevent people from answering honestly, so interviewers trying to gather accurate information attempt to build some rapport and ask more general questions instead of shining a big light in their face and saying, HAVE YOU BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY RECENTLY!?

There is still a lot to learn about this virus.

Early on, I read several articles talking generally about how other corona viruses did not always generate long term immunity from re-infection, or ability to spread to others. This is rather different from some other virus families. Some new studies and articles seem to point that way for this one (Covid-19). Long story is that herd immunity may be less effective in this instance than the general public thinks.

This tendency could also affect the long term effectiveness of any vaccines. Testing vaccines for ongoing effectiveness (not just safety) could take quite a while, and we might need to go through multiple doses of different vaccines to be safe and non-infectious.

Hard to know how this plays out relative to the FB season. It does make it hard for someone my age to feel good about going down to Nippert Stadium or 5/3 Arena this year or even next year. (D**n it, I like going to Nippert!)

This used to be a country where you decided on your own if you wanted to take the chance on going down to Nippert, at least through every other outbreak of disease in our history, which should be easier to do now with the massive improvements in the spread of information. It appears that those days are gone. You can debate if that is for better or worse. Probably a bit of both.

(06-16-2020 08:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 01:43 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Masks (indoors) , limiting mass gatherings, social distancing as best you can ... these are things that will continue to be important even as we open more and more up. Combine those with contact tracing it would be even better. 100,000 dead despite incredible efforts. We need to continue to be vigilant even as we go about more normalized lives.

For this stuff to truly work and be effective you need people willing to put science ahead of their politics. But that's too much to ask from some folks of a certain PC viewpoint these days. So we get confusion and distrust along with less than perfect results

I don't think it's some nefarious ploy or PC run amok, as you suggest. The tracers need truthful answers, so they don't want it to seem like an inquisition. This is a common problem when having to gather accurate information about sensitive subjects.

Even if that's the true motive (and I remain quite skeptical of that), I don't see how not asking gets the interviewer any closer to "the truth". If you don't ask whether somebody recently attended a huge public event, you are basically just wasting time and money when it comes to contact tracing.

(06-16-2020 09:39 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 08:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 01:43 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Masks (indoors) , limiting mass gatherings, social distancing as best you can ... these are things that will continue to be important even as we open more and more up. Combine those with contact tracing it would be even better. 100,000 dead despite incredible efforts. We need to continue to be vigilant even as we go about more normalized lives.

For this stuff to truly work and be effective you need people willing to put science ahead of their politics. But that's too much to ask from some folks of a certain PC viewpoint these days. So we get confusion and distrust along with less than perfect results

I don't think it's some nefarious ploy or PC run amok, as you suggest. The tracers need truthful answers, so they don't want it to seem like an inquisition. This is a common problem when having to gather accurate information about sensitive subjects.

Even if that's the true motive (and I remain quite skeptical of that), I don't see how not asking gets the interviewer any closer to "the truth". If you don't ask whether somebody recently attended a huge public event, you are basically just wasting time and money when it comes to contact tracing.

By asking more open-ended questions they are more likely to get the "true" answer. By showing the person that the interviewer is not interested in finding out if they are a political agitator or if they committed some criminal act during the protest or whatever, the person will more often disclose the accurate information. Again, this is a very well-developed technique for a very common issue faced by those collecting sensitive information. Ironically, the critics who insist that the interviewer should do it another, more direct way risk getting worse info all because it feels less PC.

I definitely feel the Club area must re-imagine the food delivery this year, Definitely no dish up your own areas. Perhaps box meals would be better than servers dishing up food from behind barriers. Early games perhaps quiche and fruit. Later games Club sandwiches and fruit. Night games an entrée and salad.

(06-16-2020 09:04 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  This used to be a country where you decided on your own if you wanted to take the chance on going down to Nippert, at least through every other outbreak of disease in our history, which should be easier to do now with the massive improvements in the spread of information. It appears that those days are gone. You can debate if that is for better or worse. Probably a bit of both.

It is not "just" the risk for myself. (I am in relatively good health, though not a good age bracket.) If I pick it up, who else will I spread it to?

That gets left out of way too many discussions.

(06-16-2020 08:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(06-16-2020 01:43 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(05-24-2020 12:23 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Masks (indoors) , limiting mass gatherings, social distancing as best you can ... these are things that will continue to be important even as we open more and more up. Combine those with contact tracing it would be even better. 100,000 dead despite incredible efforts. We need to continue to be vigilant even as we go about more normalized lives.

For this stuff to truly work and be effective you need people willing to put science ahead of their politics. But that's too much to ask from some folks of a certain PC viewpoint these days. So we get confusion and distrust along with less than perfect results

I don't think it's some nefarious ploy or PC run amok, as you suggest. The tracers need truthful answers, so they don't want it to seem like an inquisition. This is a common problem when having to gather accurate information about sensitive subjects. Immigration issues, for example, can prevent people from answering honestly, so interviewers trying to gather accurate information attempt to build some rapport and ask more general questions instead of shining a big light in their face and saying, HAVE YOU BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY RECENTLY!?

OK folks, we need to find out if any of these people contracted covid19 at demonstrations. How do we do that?

Why don't we ask them if they've attended any demonstrations?

ASK them? What the... ? That will NEVER work.

(06-03-2020 10:31 AM)dubcat14 Wrote:  

(06-03-2020 06:25 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 09:34 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 09:32 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(06-02-2020 06:07 AM)converrl Wrote:  UC FB lost 7 million in 2018?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...226197002/

How do they account for contributions which other wise would not be made?

Devil is in the details most likely which I have not seen. Football program gets allocated full fare cost of scholarships (times 85 players, many of those out of state). There are likely many other costs factored in there as well like debt service on Nippert, potentially Varsity Village, etc.

From the Ohio Auditor a couple years back.

See page 14 for the athletics debt servicing schedule. It’s brutal and that is before The Shoe was redone.

http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/AuditSear...n_NCAA.pdf

Before the Shoe renovation, the first $9,892,595 of revenue this year goes to athletics department capital improvements debt servicing. Look at 2023 and beyond....better be sitting down when you do so.

The way I'm reading it, they're breaking those figures down into 5 year segments and that is the total principal and interest for said 5 year period. Average principal and interest of 9.99M for period 2023-2027 isn't much different than average principal and interest of 9.89M for 2022 or 9.909M for 2019. Hopefully there aren't any other major 100M dollar projects in the next 15-20 years unless a conference is helping the cost.

Thanks!
I’ve stayed caught up with part of the thread.
Without reading through every post, are we around 10 million in the red every year you’re saying? And when will that end?

This is for the university as a whole?

(06-16-2020 09:04 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  This used to be a country where you decided on your own if you wanted to take the chance on going down to Nippert, at least through every other outbreak of disease in our history, which should be easier to do now with the massive improvements in the spread of information. It appears that those days are gone. You can debate if that is for better or worse. Probably a bit of both.

Yup. Add that contact tracing is downright creepy.

Society is as screwed up as a sailor’s checkbook on a Saturday night of shore leave right now...I’m likely going to pass on traveling to attend games at Nippert this fall...not because of a virus but because with the election this fall and with the taliban getting all ramped up and bankrolled, I’m afraid the new normal of public discourse will continue to resemble outtakes from Mad Max. I’ll watch games from my couch, thank you very much.

(06-16-2020 09:04 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  This used to be a country where you decided on your own if you wanted to take the chance on going down to Nippert, at least through every other outbreak of disease in our history, which should be easier to do now with the massive improvements in the spread of information. It appears that those days are gone. You can debate if that is for better or worse. Probably a bit of both.

That right there.

I just cannot believe how many people are willing to give up everything and let the government run their lives.