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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-13-2020 09:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
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(04-13-2020 08:38 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 04:46 PM)the_dude Wrote:  I guess here is as good a place as any....

All the scare tactics saying it kills young people....
average age of covid death in ohio: 79
75% of covid deaths in ohio are people over 70 years old
93% are over 50

Also, the reports that the USA has people dying at a greater rate than the rest of the world combined....see the cumulative deaths over time, normalized by population....see attachment below. We have a better rate than many of the highly populated European countries.

But for all the scare tactics, I think the news is just doing a horrible job giving facts, just spewing fear. That being said, I think the lockdown was necessary to prevent hospital overcrowding. We do need to get back to business as usual, but very slowly and monitor closely. Eventually we're going to be worse off by staying closed...how many people will die of starvation, abuse, substance abuse, suicide, illness, exposure, etc... if the economy completely collapses?

Again, I think that covid is a completely different animal than a normal cold/flu, but we have to be reasonable in our efforts and make decisions off of facts, not fear.

All facts that I've been trying to get across since this fluster cluck started.

I'm just wondering where the righteous indignation crowd is to condemn this guy for his ignorance and stupidity.

The only issue I might raise with you is the necessity of the lock down to prevent overcrowding of hospitals. Perhaps if the figures quoted by the head of the health dept were actually true, you might be right.

However, you can't credit the action of the government for preventing the outbreak from being bigger because it was never as bad as they said.

And I'll do you one better...

They're now counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers.

To illustrate this, I'll use my own grandfather as the example. The old guy used to smoke like a freight train. Lived to be 89 years old. When he finally went (because he was as old as the hills), what did they list as cause of death...?

That's right. Smoking.


When did "they" start counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers? And why did "they" do it?

I just love my little pack of fans that follow me around trying to discredit anything I say. Like the guy that asked me what the definition of the flu was last week, like its up to me to define it.

Anyway...

"They" are health care employees in charge of records.

"They" are doing it because they are told to do so. Have you ever heard that people with "underlying conditions" are especially prone to covid? So when one of these people with said "underlying conditions" goes, where they started listing "underlying condition" they are now listing covid.

Why? Don't ask me. Maybe someone in charge that's been talking out their a$$ about how bad the outbreak is needs some figures to back it up.

Man, denying a pandemic that's now centered in America and has killed over 20k Americans in a month is a hell of a stance. Being skeptical of numbers reported from countries with totalitarian governments is one thing but assuming all American doctors are in on some kind of conspiracy to make this seem worse than it is is tinfoil hat crap.

People "follow you around" because you make baseless claims that people want sourced or justified. It's not a witch hunt.
 
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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-13-2020 09:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 08:48 PM)The Big O Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 08:38 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 04:46 PM)the_dude Wrote:  I guess here is as good a place as any....

All the scare tactics saying it kills young people....
average age of covid death in ohio: 79
75% of covid deaths in ohio are people over 70 years old
93% are over 50

Also, the reports that the USA has people dying at a greater rate than the rest of the world combined....see the cumulative deaths over time, normalized by population....see attachment below. We have a better rate than many of the highly populated European countries.

But for all the scare tactics, I think the news is just doing a horrible job giving facts, just spewing fear. That being said, I think the lockdown was necessary to prevent hospital overcrowding. We do need to get back to business as usual, but very slowly and monitor closely. Eventually we're going to be worse off by staying closed...how many people will die of starvation, abuse, substance abuse, suicide, illness, exposure, etc... if the economy completely collapses?

Again, I think that covid is a completely different animal than a normal cold/flu, but we have to be reasonable in our efforts and make decisions off of facts, not fear.

All facts that I've been trying to get across since this fluster cluck started.

I'm just wondering where the righteous indignation crowd is to condemn this guy for his ignorance and stupidity.

The only issue I might raise with you is the necessity of the lock down to prevent overcrowding of hospitals. Perhaps if the figures quoted by the head of the health dept were actually true, you might be right.

However, you can't credit the action of the government for preventing the outbreak from being bigger because it was never as bad as they said.

And I'll do you one better...

They're now counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers.

To illustrate this, I'll use my own grandfather as the example. The old guy used to smoke like a freight train. Lived to be 89 years old. When he finally went (because he was as old as the hills), what did they list as cause of death...?

That's right. Smoking.


When did "they" start counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers? And why did "they" do it?

I just love my little pack of fans that follow me around trying to discredit anything I say. Like the guy that asked me what the definition of the flu was last week, like its up to me to define it.

Anyway...

"They" are health care employees in charge of records.

"They" are doing it because they are told to do so. Have you ever heard that people with "underlying conditions" are especially prone to covid? So when one of these people with said "underlying conditions" goes, where they started listing "underlying condition" they are now listing covid.

Why? Don't ask me. Maybe someone in charge that's been talking out their a$$ about how bad the outbreak is needs some figures to back it up.

Well, If I have an immune disorder, but am still LIVING. And then I get Covid and Covid kills me. What killed me? Covid. I was living before Covid, got Covid and died....Thats how it works.
 
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It was so predictable how this all played out.

1. Public health officials warn that thousands will die if we don't lockdown.
2. We lock down.
3. Thousands die, but it's not as bad as they initially predicted.
4.?????????
5. Somehow this is proof that they were wrong.

The point of the lockdown was, quite literally, to make sure as few people died as possible. Public health officials were right so that morons on message boards could continue being so hilariously wrong.

But I'm sure if hundreds of thousands were dead instead, those same people would say "see! Social distancing doesn't work! I am very smart and a very serious thinker".

Epidimological models aren't perfect. We're limited by the information we have available at the time and that information changes every day. Even if Public Health officials didn't get the exact numbers correct, they were right about the most important issue:

1. A global pandemic was at our doorstep
2. Thousands could die
3. Social distancing measures were the only avenue toward ensuring that as few of those people died as possible.

And now, despite upwards of 50-60 thousand Americans dying before this is all over, these idiots that are playing 3D chess with themselves are declaring both victory, and that every doctor and health care expert in the country is part of some rediculous conspiracy to keep the economy closed.

Doctors are being forced to fabricate PPE out of their own clothing. Ventilators are being manufactured by automobile giants. Mass graves are being dug in New York. One of the most powerful men in the world was in the ICU with the virus. Multiple professional athletes contracted it. Karl Anthony Towns lost his mother. Dammit we lost John Prine. We don't even have close to the amount of testing to confirm the real number of people with the virus. And yet, despite it all, some people still have the audacity to tell us that it was all just a big ole' nothingburger. Unbelievable.


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Conspiracy Theory Culture has taken over certain segments of society. Need only follow the right wing media or listen to the Bernie Bros to know this.
 
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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-14-2020 05:46 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 09:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 08:48 PM)The Big O Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 08:38 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 04:46 PM)the_dude Wrote:  I guess here is as good a place as any....

All the scare tactics saying it kills young people....
average age of covid death in ohio: 79
75% of covid deaths in ohio are people over 70 years old
93% are over 50

Also, the reports that the USA has people dying at a greater rate than the rest of the world combined....see the cumulative deaths over time, normalized by population....see attachment below. We have a better rate than many of the highly populated European countries.

But for all the scare tactics, I think the news is just doing a horrible job giving facts, just spewing fear. That being said, I think the lockdown was necessary to prevent hospital overcrowding. We do need to get back to business as usual, but very slowly and monitor closely. Eventually we're going to be worse off by staying closed...how many people will die of starvation, abuse, substance abuse, suicide, illness, exposure, etc... if the economy completely collapses?

Again, I think that covid is a completely different animal than a normal cold/flu, but we have to be reasonable in our efforts and make decisions off of facts, not fear.

All facts that I've been trying to get across since this fluster cluck started.

I'm just wondering where the righteous indignation crowd is to condemn this guy for his ignorance and stupidity.

The only issue I might raise with you is the necessity of the lock down to prevent overcrowding of hospitals. Perhaps if the figures quoted by the head of the health dept were actually true, you might be right.

However, you can't credit the action of the government for preventing the outbreak from being bigger because it was never as bad as they said.

And I'll do you one better...

They're now counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers.

To illustrate this, I'll use my own grandfather as the example. The old guy used to smoke like a freight train. Lived to be 89 years old. When he finally went (because he was as old as the hills), what did they list as cause of death...?

That's right. Smoking.


When did "they" start counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers? And why did "they" do it?

I just love my little pack of fans that follow me around trying to discredit anything I say. Like the guy that asked me what the definition of the flu was last week, like its up to me to define it.

Anyway...

"They" are health care employees in charge of records.

"They" are doing it because they are told to do so. Have you ever heard that people with "underlying conditions" are especially prone to covid? So when one of these people with said "underlying conditions" goes, where they started listing "underlying condition" they are now listing covid.

Why? Don't ask me. Maybe someone in charge that's been talking out their a$$ about how bad the outbreak is needs some figures to back it up.

Well, If I have an immune disorder, but am still LIVING. And then I get Covid and Covid kills me. What killed me? Covid. I was living before Covid, got Covid and died....Thats how it works.

Comorbidity
 
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I'd be more worried about how Universities can survive the types of cuts being discussed at the State level (up to potentially 20% in operating budgets), especially when paired with the potential for there still being remote-only learning in the fall. It'll be exceptionally hard for Universities to justify student fees for athletics to the tune that they've done so recently if athletics are not being played, students are not on campus, or budgets are being reduced they way that they are.

Look at my current employer for instance...a 20% cut of operating expenses for FY 21 would equate to $150,000,000. How can they justify dragging $20,000,000 from their operating budget to support Athletics when they don't serve the core function of the "company" as a whole anymore. Many institutions will be on life support or the plug will be pulled completely after this...it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.
 
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(04-14-2020 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'd be more worried about how Universities can survive the types of cuts being discussed at the State level (up to potentially 20% in operating budgets), especially when paired with the potential for there still being remote-only learning in the fall. It'll be exceptionally hard for Universities to justify student fees for athletics to the tune that they've done so recently if athletics are not being played, students are not on campus, or budgets are being reduced they way that they are.

Look at my current employer for instance...a 20% cut of operating expenses for FY 21 would equate to $150,000,000. How can they justify dragging $20,000,000 from their operating budget to support Athletics when they don't serve the core function of the "company" as a whole anymore. Many institutions will be on life support or the plug will be pulled completely after this...it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Say hello to The Ohio State University at Cincinnati, The Ohio State University at Oxford, The Ohio State University at Athens.......05-stirthepot

I kid!

I think OSU (they maintain a billion dollar operating surplus and can start going into the 50% of applicants they reject if they need to keep the dorms full), UC (second highest endowment, fundraising and research budget in the state system) and Miami (provided they can keep all those kids from the Chicago suburbs paying 35K/year in tuition otherwise all bets are off for them) will be fine. Some belt tightening, but no real pain. Everyone else in the system is in real jeopardy, and I think you might see some radical restructuring that was politically impossible before this such as Akron being folded into KSU.

Dewine seems like he's a friend to higher education. Thank God, Voinovich still isn't in Columbus because he'd shut the whole system down.

Athletic subsidies were a bubbling issue before this, and I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio were to enact a law similar to Virginia's which limits what percent of the athletic budget can come from student fees or the academic side.
 
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(04-14-2020 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'd be more worried about how Universities can survive the types of cuts being discussed at the State level (up to potentially 20% in operating budgets), especially when paired with the potential for there still being remote-only learning in the fall. It'll be exceptionally hard for Universities to justify student fees for athletics to the tune that they've done so recently if athletics are not being played, students are not on campus, or budgets are being reduced they way that they are.

Look at my current employer for instance...a 20% cut of operating expenses for FY 21 would equate to $150,000,000. How can they justify dragging $20,000,000 from their operating budget to support Athletics when they don't serve the core function of the "company" as a whole anymore. Many institutions will be on life support or the plug will be pulled completely after this...it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Say hello to The Ohio State University at Cincinnati, The Ohio State University at Oxford, The Ohio State University at Athens.......05-stirthepot

I kid!

I think OSU (they maintain a billion dollar operating surplus and can start going into the 50% of applicants they reject if they need to keep the dorms full), UC (second highest endowment, fundraising and research budget in the state system) and Miami (provided they can keep all those kids from the Chicago suburbs paying 35K/year in tuition otherwise all bets are off for them) will be fine. Some belt tightening, but no real pain. Everyone else in the system is in real jeopardy, and I think you might see some radical restructuring that was politically impossible before this such as Akron being folded into KSU.

Dewine seems like he's a friend to higher education. Thank God, Voinovich still isn't in Columbus because he'd shut the whole system down.

Athletic subsidies were a bubbling issue before this, and I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio were to enact a law similar to Virginia's which limits what percent of the athletic budget can come from student fees or the academic side.

James Madison isn't following that law at all, so there are clearly loopholes. Athletics Departments at budget strapped schools have long been like a human appendix to the overall institution. Pardon the pun, but it would appear there has been an infection, and I would assume a lot of appendectomies are going to occur shortly. When you're looking at $70,000,000 cuts, and one department is losing $20,000,000 year and asking for that to be floated to them to continue operating...the lame justification that they are an enrollment feature just won't be there anymore.

But yes, even though you used it anecdotally, I actually do think you'll see some whole institution re-organization from this. I sincerely don't see how Wright State can survive a further 20% cut, and OSU could easily move in and see a boon by locking down the Dayton market.
 
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(04-14-2020 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'd be more worried about how Universities can survive the types of cuts being discussed at the State level (up to potentially 20% in operating budgets), especially when paired with the potential for there still being remote-only learning in the fall. It'll be exceptionally hard for Universities to justify student fees for athletics to the tune that they've done so recently if athletics are not being played, students are not on campus, or budgets are being reduced they way that they are.

Look at my current employer for instance...a 20% cut of operating expenses for FY 21 would equate to $150,000,000. How can they justify dragging $20,000,000 from their operating budget to support Athletics when they don't serve the core function of the "company" as a whole anymore. Many institutions will be on life support or the plug will be pulled completely after this...it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Say hello to The Ohio State University at Cincinnati, The Ohio State University at Oxford, The Ohio State University at Athens.......05-stirthepot

I kid!

I think OSU (they maintain a billion dollar operating surplus and can start going into the 50% of applicants they reject if they need to keep the dorms full), UC (second highest endowment, fundraising and research budget in the state system) and Miami (provided they can keep all those kids from the Chicago suburbs paying 35K/year in tuition otherwise all bets are off for them) will be fine. Some belt tightening, but no real pain. Everyone else in the system is in real jeopardy, and I think you might see some radical restructuring that was politically impossible before this such as Akron being folded into KSU.

Dewine seems like he's a friend to higher education. Thank God, Voinovich still isn't in Columbus because he'd shut the whole system down.

Athletic subsidies were a bubbling issue before this, and I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio were to enact a law similar to Virginia's which limits what percent of the athletic budget can come from student fees or the academic side.

James Madison isn't following that law at all, so there are clearly loopholes. Athletics Departments at budget strapped schools have long been like a human appendix to the overall institution. Pardon the pun, but it would appear there has been an infection, and I would assume a lot of appendectomies are going to occur shortly. When you're looking at $70,000,000 cuts, and one department is losing $20,000,000 year and asking for that to be floated to them to continue operating...the lame justification that they are an enrollment feature just won't be there anymore.

But yes, even though you used it anecdotally, I actually do think you'll see some whole institution re-organization from this. I sincerely don't see how Wright State can survive a further 20% cut, and OSU could easily move in and see a boon by locking down the Dayton market.

According to the Cleveland paper, total athletic subsidies at UC and the Ohio MAC schools were in the $170M range in the most recent year for which they had data. I agree that I don't see how that survives when the system is being asked to take a 20% cut. The Plain Dealer's been beating the drum on this for a few years now, and I think you'll definitely start to hear a louder chorus around the state in the next year or two.
 
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(04-14-2020 08:46 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 08:37 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 07:48 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  I'd be more worried about how Universities can survive the types of cuts being discussed at the State level (up to potentially 20% in operating budgets), especially when paired with the potential for there still being remote-only learning in the fall. It'll be exceptionally hard for Universities to justify student fees for athletics to the tune that they've done so recently if athletics are not being played, students are not on campus, or budgets are being reduced they way that they are.

Look at my current employer for instance...a 20% cut of operating expenses for FY 21 would equate to $150,000,000. How can they justify dragging $20,000,000 from their operating budget to support Athletics when they don't serve the core function of the "company" as a whole anymore. Many institutions will be on life support or the plug will be pulled completely after this...it's going to be an absolute bloodbath.

Say hello to The Ohio State University at Cincinnati, The Ohio State University at Oxford, The Ohio State University at Athens.......05-stirthepot

I kid!

I think OSU (they maintain a billion dollar operating surplus and can start going into the 50% of applicants they reject if they need to keep the dorms full), UC (second highest endowment, fundraising and research budget in the state system) and Miami (provided they can keep all those kids from the Chicago suburbs paying 35K/year in tuition otherwise all bets are off for them) will be fine. Some belt tightening, but no real pain. Everyone else in the system is in real jeopardy, and I think you might see some radical restructuring that was politically impossible before this such as Akron being folded into KSU.

Dewine seems like he's a friend to higher education. Thank God, Voinovich still isn't in Columbus because he'd shut the whole system down.

Athletic subsidies were a bubbling issue before this, and I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio were to enact a law similar to Virginia's which limits what percent of the athletic budget can come from student fees or the academic side.

James Madison isn't following that law at all, so there are clearly loopholes. Athletics Departments at budget strapped schools have long been like a human appendix to the overall institution. Pardon the pun, but it would appear there has been an infection, and I would assume a lot of appendectomies are going to occur shortly. When you're looking at $70,000,000 cuts, and one department is losing $20,000,000 year and asking for that to be floated to them to continue operating...the lame justification that they are an enrollment feature just won't be there anymore.

But yes, even though you used it anecdotally, I actually do think you'll see some whole institution re-organization from this. I sincerely don't see how Wright State can survive a further 20% cut, and OSU could easily move in and see a boon by locking down the Dayton market.

According to the Cleveland paper, total athletic subsidies at UC and the Ohio MAC schools were in the $170M range in the most recent year for which they had data. I agree that I don't see how that survives when the system is being asked to take a 20% cut. The Plain Dealer's been beating the drum on this for a few years now, and I think you'll definitely start to hear a louder chorus around the state in the next year or two.

Yep...this may be the straw to break that camel's back. In the most drastic of moves, and likely wouldn't happen, but I think the most sustainable choice for the Ohio MAC schools would be to simply drop to FCS. It would do a few things, likely wouldn't cost them anything, would cut expenses like crazy as they wouldn't be in the arms race, would allow them to cut women's sports to balance scholarships as FCS has a scholarship MAX of 63 vs. a scholarship REQUIREMENT of 85 in FBS (some FCS teams are non-scholarship teams), AND it would give all of those teams a better shot at a national championship while likely not affecting attendance at all.

Hell, I've been advocating for some of the schools to look at Grand Valley State up in Michigan. They are a MAC school in every sense of the word, around 24,000 students, similar academic quality, similar standing in the state hierarchy, similar setting (medium sized city), but they are in FAR better budget shape because they aren't funneling $15,000,000-$25,000,000 into their athletics department every year.
 
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If the MAC schools drop to FCS, their contributions from donors possibly drops more than their savings realized from the move.

Say UC quit all subsidies to the athletic department, and the teams become mediocre or worse. People stop coming to campus, and stop donating to the university. Hard to quantify which gifts to the university would not come if the quality football and basketball went away, but my guess (since I can't quantify) is that UC loses out in the end. I KNOW admissions applications would drop.
 
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At what point are programs too far gone in the arms race to turn back? Seems like every AAC school made the commitment to attain P5 status and spent accordingly after the last round of expansion. Uconn aside, it would be hard to imagine any of our counterparts giving up just yet. Is it possible the AAC lingers around long enough to warrant another look from P5 conferences for expansion opportunities? Not for the conference as a whole, but inidividual members who've proven their value. Sorta like a G-league for the power 5.
 
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(04-14-2020 10:22 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  If the MAC schools drop to FCS, their contributions from donors possibly drops more than their savings realized from the move.

Say UC quit all subsidies to the athletic department, and the teams become mediocre or worse. People stop coming to campus, and stop donating to the university. Hard to quantify which gifts to the university would not come if the quality football and basketball went away, but my guess (since I can't quantify) is that UC loses out in the end. I KNOW admissions applications would drop.

MAC schools average roughly $2.1M in gifts directly to the athletics every year...that would be more than made up for. Applications would certainly drop for Cincinnati, a school where athletics is actually a draw, but I would expect a far more negligible drop in applications for schools like Akron, Toledo, Ball State, etc. since I don't think anyone outside of the student athletes come to UT for the sports.
 
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I expect this virus will return in the fall. I don’t plan on sitting in a crowded stadium.

I also expect more tough decisions will have to be made.
 
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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-13-2020 09:23 AM)ladeda Wrote:  5 days ago, Dr Acton said the peak would be 1600 cases per day in Ohio. So far, the daily peak was 427 cases and that was over a week ago. New cases have been on a slight decline the past 9 days-- yet they are telling us that new cases will quadruple by the end of April. wth? There is nothing in the data that suggests cases will quadruple, but hey-- models.

All I know is the so called experts really don't have much expertise. So will we have a season? I think we will have a start to the season. My fear is that if there is a seasonal outbreak in say November-- that they could panic and do the forced shutdown thing all over again.


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Ohio has done a great job. Michigan is a hot spot and is too close for comfort. Indiana has problems as well.
 
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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-14-2020 11:11 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 09:23 AM)ladeda Wrote:  5 days ago, Dr Acton said the peak would be 1600 cases per day in Ohio. So far, the daily peak was 427 cases and that was over a week ago. New cases have been on a slight decline the past 9 days-- yet they are telling us that new cases will quadruple by the end of April. wth? There is nothing in the data that suggests cases will quadruple, but hey-- models.

All I know is the so called experts really don't have much expertise. So will we have a season? I think we will have a start to the season. My fear is that if there is a seasonal outbreak in say November-- that they could panic and do the forced shutdown thing all over again.


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Ohio has done a great job. Michigan is a hot spot and is too close for comfort. Indiana has problems as well.

Detroit's airport had multiple direct flights to China and Europe including Beijing and Shanghai.
 
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RE: Do you think there will be a 2020 college FB season?
(04-14-2020 11:27 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 11:11 AM)BearcatsUC Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 09:23 AM)ladeda Wrote:  5 days ago, Dr Acton said the peak would be 1600 cases per day in Ohio. So far, the daily peak was 427 cases and that was over a week ago. New cases have been on a slight decline the past 9 days-- yet they are telling us that new cases will quadruple by the end of April. wth? There is nothing in the data that suggests cases will quadruple, but hey-- models.

All I know is the so called experts really don't have much expertise. So will we have a season? I think we will have a start to the season. My fear is that if there is a seasonal outbreak in say November-- that they could panic and do the forced shutdown thing all over again.


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Ohio has done a great job. Michigan is a hot spot and is too close for comfort. Indiana has problems as well.

Detroit's airport had multiple direct flights to China and Europe including Beijing and Shanghai.

Yep...Ohio not having a major transportation hub definitely helped with the initial exposure curve.
 
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(04-13-2020 11:01 PM)Yawny Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 09:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
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(04-13-2020 08:38 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  
(04-13-2020 04:46 PM)the_dude Wrote:  I guess here is as good a place as any....

All the scare tactics saying it kills young people....
average age of covid death in ohio: 79
75% of covid deaths in ohio are people over 70 years old
93% are over 50

Also, the reports that the USA has people dying at a greater rate than the rest of the world combined....see the cumulative deaths over time, normalized by population....see attachment below. We have a better rate than many of the highly populated European countries.

But for all the scare tactics, I think the news is just doing a horrible job giving facts, just spewing fear. That being said, I think the lockdown was necessary to prevent hospital overcrowding. We do need to get back to business as usual, but very slowly and monitor closely. Eventually we're going to be worse off by staying closed...how many people will die of starvation, abuse, substance abuse, suicide, illness, exposure, etc... if the economy completely collapses?

Again, I think that covid is a completely different animal than a normal cold/flu, but we have to be reasonable in our efforts and make decisions off of facts, not fear.

All facts that I've been trying to get across since this fluster cluck started.

I'm just wondering where the righteous indignation crowd is to condemn this guy for his ignorance and stupidity.

The only issue I might raise with you is the necessity of the lock down to prevent overcrowding of hospitals. Perhaps if the figures quoted by the head of the health dept were actually true, you might be right.

However, you can't credit the action of the government for preventing the outbreak from being bigger because it was never as bad as they said.

And I'll do you one better...

They're now counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers.

To illustrate this, I'll use my own grandfather as the example. The old guy used to smoke like a freight train. Lived to be 89 years old. When he finally went (because he was as old as the hills), what did they list as cause of death...?

That's right. Smoking.


When did "they" start counting covid19 deaths as they used to do for smokers? And why did "they" do it?

I just love my little pack of fans that follow me around trying to discredit anything I say. Like the guy that asked me what the definition of the flu was last week, like its up to me to define it.

Anyway...

"They" are health care employees in charge of records.

"They" are doing it because they are told to do so. Have you ever heard that people with "underlying conditions" are especially prone to covid? So when one of these people with said "underlying conditions" goes, where they started listing "underlying condition" they are now listing covid.

Why? Don't ask me. Maybe someone in charge that's been talking out their a$$ about how bad the outbreak is needs some figures to back it up.

Man, denying a pandemic that's now centered in America and has killed over 20k Americans in a month is a hell of a stance. Being skeptical of numbers reported from countries with totalitarian governments is one thing but assuming all American doctors are in on some kind of conspiracy to make this seem worse than it is is tinfoil hat crap.

People "follow you around" because you make baseless claims that people want sourced or justified. It's not a witch hunt.

Baseless claims? You don't even know what you're talking about.

Stating on March 12 that there were 100,000 people in Ohio that already had covid19 is a baseless claim.

Stating that there will be 1600 new cases a day when there's never been more than 427 is a baseless claim.

Right now there are about 7000 people in a state of 11M that have it. Those are facts.

You just keep believing everything you see on TV and let the government take care of you, clueless Bernie bro.
 
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The 100,000 person claim was based off the contagion rate of the virus + cases that had arisen without known contact to previous cases. So if someone in Cleveland tested positive for it, and then someone in Toledo tested positive for it, and they have no known connection between the cases, they begin to estimate how many people have it based on where people are, what the contagion factors are, etc etc. It's an entire field of study called epidiomology. And, like anything else, it's not perfect. But it's not baseless, either. We don't have nearly enough tests to even comprehend how widespread the virus is. It's entirely possible that Acton was completely right when she said that.

If a Pilot tells passengers to prepare for severe turbulence, and instead there are only moderate disruptions, do you also conclude that you know how to fly the plane better than the Pilot?

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(04-14-2020 01:26 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  The 100,000 person claim was based off the contagion rate of the virus + cases that had arisen without known contact to previous cases. So if someone in Cleveland tested positive for it, and then someone in Toledo tested positive for it, and they have no known connection between the cases, they begin to estimate how many people have it based on where people are, what the contagion factors are, etc etc. It's an entire field of study called epidiomology. And, like anything else, it's not perfect. But it's not baseless, either. We don't have nearly enough tests to even comprehend how widespread the virus is. It's entirely possible that Acton was completely right when she said that.

If a Pilot tells passengers to prepare for severe turbulence, and instead there are only moderate disruptions, do you also conclude that you know how to fly the plane better than the Pilot?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUyGfDJ76g

Wow.

You go on believing what you want.
 
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