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(04-14-2020 05:10 PM)gleadley Wrote:  I don't have a dog in the fight, but isn't "success as of late" more relevant to possible/probable future success than decades old tournament appearances and conference championships?

No, not necessarily. It goes back to building on foundations of *sustained* success and stepping up to meet the expectations of a winning program. Yes we had a few down years recently, and I explained to why. Back-to-back sub-par seasons was unacceptable, so we fixed it.. BCG will have all the support and the resources he needs to get us back on track, in the WAC.

As a program, Dixie State is no Tarleton. That's just facts.
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I guess all I'm saying is Jeremiah Wilson, Corin Henry, and Nick Mosley aren't walking through that door. Maybe (hopefully) BCG turns it around for Tarleton, but Dixie State is already heading that way.
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I feel BCG is was a big time hire for Tarleton State going into the WAC. He definitely has baggage but there is no arguing he knows how to win. As for Tarleton State's down years, I see it no different than when McCarthy replaced Weldon Drew and when Theus replaced Henson 2.0 because of illness. NMSU has had a tradition of winning established by coaches such as Lou Henson 1.0, Kenny Hayes, Neil McCarthy, Lou Henson 2.0, Theus, Marvin Menzies, Paul Weir, and Chris Jans. If the program gets off track for a few years, the University is quick to make changes. Tarleton State had a lot of success under Lonn Reisman. Although being a decent D2 coach, Chris Reisman was not the right coach for Tarleton to make the transition to D1 basketball. Gillispie is the right coach at the right time. I believe he will have Tarleton State in the thick of things in the WAC with two years. He is the only WAC coach I think is on Jans' level (hunger for winning, recruiting, game tactician). I still think Jans has more advantages at NMSU (budget, facilities, winning tradition, NCAA Tournament eligibility) than BCG will have at Tarleton State, but BCG will make Jans work extra hard to hold on to NMSU's dominance. Atlhough Judkins is a very good coach at the D2 level, I just don't see him bring in enough D1 talent to reach the top tier of the WAC. As for Drew, I think he is an upgrade from Majerle. But as a head coach, he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of any Aggie fans. Drew's success is very much tied to his recruiting. If he can out-recruit the rest of the WAC by a large margin he might make GCU the team to beat in the conference. But he is not a better game tactician than either Chris Jans or Billy Gillispie.
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(04-14-2020 06:46 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  I feel BCG is was a big time hire for Tarleton State going into the WAC. He definitely has baggage but there is no arguing he knows how to win. As for Tarleton State's down years, I see it no different than when McCarthy replaced Weldon Drew and when Theus replaced Henson 2.0 because of illness. NMSU has had a tradition of winning established by coaches such as Lou Henson 1.0, Kenny Hayes, Neil McCarthy, Lou Henson 2.0, Theus, Marvin Menzies, Paul Weir, and Chris Jans. If the program gets off track for a few years, the University is quick to make changes. Tarleton State had a lot of success under Lonn Reisman. Although being a decent D2 coach, Chris Reisman was not the right coach for Tarleton to make the transition to D1 basketball. Gillispie is the right coach at the right time. I believe he will have Tarleton State in the thick of things in the WAC with two years. He is the only WAC coach I think is on Jans' level (hunger for winning, recruiting, game tactician). I still think Jans has more advantages at NMSU (budget, facilities, winning tradition, NCAA Tournament eligibility) than BCG will have at Tarleton State, but BCG will make Jans work extra hard to hold on to NMSU's dominance. Atlhough Judkins is a very good coach at the D2 level, I just don't see him bring in enough D1 talent to reach the top tier of the WAC. As for Drew, I think he is an upgrade from Majerle. But as a head coach, he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of any Aggie fans. Drew's success is very much tied to his recruiting. If he can out-recruit the rest of the WAC by a large margin he might make GCU the team to beat in the conference. But he is not a better game tactician than either Chris Jans or Billy Gillispie.

I think Billy G will do good where he got hired. I’d be way more nervous if had gotten hired at GCU.
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(04-14-2020 06:57 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 06:46 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  I feel BCG is was a big time hire for Tarleton State going into the WAC. He definitely has baggage but there is no arguing he knows how to win. As for Tarleton State's down years, I see it no different than when McCarthy replaced Weldon Drew and when Theus replaced Henson 2.0 because of illness. NMSU has had a tradition of winning established by coaches such as Lou Henson 1.0, Kenny Hayes, Neil McCarthy, Lou Henson 2.0, Theus, Marvin Menzies, Paul Weir, and Chris Jans. If the program gets off track for a few years, the University is quick to make changes. Tarleton State had a lot of success under Lonn Reisman. Although being a decent D2 coach, Chris Reisman was not the right coach for Tarleton to make the transition to D1 basketball. Gillispie is the right coach at the right time. I believe he will have Tarleton State in the thick of things in the WAC with two years. He is the only WAC coach I think is on Jans' level (hunger for winning, recruiting, game tactician). I still think Jans has more advantages at NMSU (budget, facilities, winning tradition, NCAA Tournament eligibility) than BCG will have at Tarleton State, but BCG will make Jans work extra hard to hold on to NMSU's dominance. Atlhough Judkins is a very good coach at the D2 level, I just don't see him bring in enough D1 talent to Dixie State to reach the top tier of the WAC. As for Drew, I think he is an upgrade from Majerle. But as a head coach, he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of any Aggie fans. Drew's success is very much tied to his recruiting. If he can out-recruit the rest of the WAC by a large margin he might make GCU the team to beat in the conference. But he is not a better game tactician than either Chris Jans or Billy Gillispie.

I think Billy G will do good where he got hired. I’d be way more nervous if had gotten hired at GCU.
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(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 04:46 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 11:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 10:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances
Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Conference Tournament Champions
Lone Star: 2004, 2013, 2014

So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.
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(04-15-2020 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 04:46 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 11:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances
Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Conference Tournament Champions
Lone Star: 2004, 2013, 2014

So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

The positive is Tarleton State is used to winning (Texan fans included). There is passion in Stephenville, TX. However, there is a big difference between winning in D2 and winning at the D1 level. Cal State Bakersfield also had a very impressive D2 basketball history. But outside of one blip in 2016, it has been a tough road for the Runners at the D1 level; in part because of the 800lb gorilla you've mentioned. NMSU has established itself as the kingpin in the WAC. And, all roads leading to the NCAA Tournament pass through Las Cruces, NM; the Aggies winning 8 of the last 10 WAC tournaments. NMSU's level of play sets the bar for all other WAC schools; if they want to go to post season. And, although NMSU is no Gonzaga, its has a choke hold on the WAC Championship much in the same way that Gonzaga dominates the WCC.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 04:46 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 11:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances
Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Conference Tournament Champions
Lone Star: 2004, 2013, 2014

So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 01:02 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 04:46 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances
Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Conference Tournament Champions
Lone Star: 2004, 2013, 2014

So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.

I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 01:17 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:02 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-11-2020 04:46 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Appearances
Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
Conference Tournament Champions
Lone Star: 2004, 2013, 2014

So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.

I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao

I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.
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(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

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Division II: 2005, 2015
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Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
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Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016
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Division II: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
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So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.

I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao

I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

You’re already wrong.
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(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.
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(04-15-2020 02:18 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:17 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:02 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 09:59 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  So you are basically referencing a coach's success (at the DII level) who no longer coaches for you. As others have wisely pointed out, recent success means a lot more.

You are in DI now. And you have an 800lb gorilla to deal with in NMSU.

I like that we have Tarleton posters. I like that you all are passionate about basketball. I like that Tarleton has had some success in basketball. And I love the hire of Billy Clyde Gillespie. All positive stuff. Keep the posts coming.

We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.

I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao

I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

You’re already wrong.

How so?
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:18 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:17 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:02 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  We'll deal with the Gorilla when we get to the Gorilla. As for now all we can do is talk about our D2 success. I doubt it will take long for there to be two Gorillas.

I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao

I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

You’re already wrong.

How so?

Lobos? What team do you think is in the WAC? Yes, I have no doubt Billy Clyde Gillespie can beat the snot out of the Lobos. The Aggies are a different thing all together...
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(04-15-2020 03:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:18 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 01:17 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  I love it!! I have the memory of a 3 month old infant. I hope someone with a better memory can remember all these bold proclamations ("If BCG is healthy, the WAC will belong to TSU five years from now."). I would love to revisit them down the line! 03-lmfao

I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

You’re already wrong.

How so?

Lobos? What team do you think is in the WAC? Yes, I have no doubt Billy Clyde Gillespie can beat the snot out of the Lobos. The Aggies are a different thing all together...
Aggies, Lobos same difference. 03-wink
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(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.

1. It's all in fun.
2. If we're going to trash talk let's go. No reason to hold back, not like anything sports related is happening.
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(04-15-2020 04:15 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.

1. It's all in fun.
2. If we're going to trash talk let's go. No reason to hold back, not like anything sports related is happening.

1. You literally didn't know the difference between the Aggies and the Lobos and you are just trying to save face.
2. You'll know the difference soon enough.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:15 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.

1. It's all in fun.
2. If we're going to trash talk let's go. No reason to hold back, not like anything sports related is happening.

1. You literally didn't know the difference between the Aggies and the Lobos and you are just trying to save face.
2. You'll know the difference soon enough.
Lobos, UNM, Red and White (I think also silver), Albuquerque.

Aggies, NM State, Las Cruces, Maroon and White.

In state rivalry between the two of them. NMSU decent basketball, football not so great but played in a bowl game against Utah State. UNM, their program exists.... basketball is so so.

Either I don't know the difference or you're wrong and I was joking around. But since I gave a brief rundown, it was a joke not a punch don't get so defensive.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-15-2020 04:28 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:15 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:12 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  I'm bold, not crazy. Not saying that in 5 years the WAC will belong to Tarleton but we'll give the NMSU Lobos a fight. Yes, if I'm wrong I'll own up to it, but I doubt I will be.

Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.

1. It's all in fun.
2. If we're going to trash talk let's go. No reason to hold back, not like anything sports related is happening.

1. You literally didn't know the difference between the Aggies and the Lobos and you are just trying to save face.
2. You'll know the difference soon enough.
Lobos, UNM, Cherry and Silver (and they also use turquoise), Albuquerque.

Aggies, NM State, Las Cruces, Crimson and White (and they also use Black).

In state rivalry between the two of them. NMSU decent basketball, football not so great but played in a bowl game against Utah State. UNM, their program exists.... basketball is so so.

Either I don't know the difference or you're wrong and I was joking around. But since I gave a brief rundown, it was a joke not a punch don't get so defensive.

Let me correct your post...
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(04-15-2020 04:59 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:28 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:19 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 04:15 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 02:30 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Not sure if you intended to do this, but that is a low blow to Aggie fans.

1. It's all in fun.
2. If we're going to trash talk let's go. No reason to hold back, not like anything sports related is happening.

1. You literally didn't know the difference between the Aggies and the Lobos and you are just trying to save face.
2. You'll know the difference soon enough.
Lobos, UNM, Cherry and Silver (and they also use turquoise), Albuquerque.

Aggies, NM State, Las Cruces, Crimson and White (and they also use Black).

In state rivalry between the two of them. NMSU decent basketball, football not so great but played in a bowl game against Utah State. UNM, their program exists.... basketball is so so.

Either I don't know the difference or you're wrong and I was joking around. But since I gave a brief rundown, it was a joke not a punch don't get so defensive.

Let me correct your post...

Ah, my colors were off. Still, fairly accurate and respectable for someone who didn't really pay attention to either school. For some reason NMSU always looked more maroon, was probably thinking A&M. Won't make that mistake again, especially since I'll see them in person and not in memory from a fun bowl game two years ago.

Edit: had to see the turquoise. Definitely.... interesting. They look like the JuCo I attended.
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