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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
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(04-04-2020 02:24 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  On the surface, I see Tarleton vs UT-RGV being a manufactured rivalry because of the Texas connection. Maybe the UT System vs the A&M System school will play into it. We have no history so it is hard to imagine it right now. Frankly I see OOC match ups against former rival ACU or some of the DFW schools being a bigger draw.


With NMSU being the big dog on the block, I can see Tarleton putting effort into trying to make it a BIG deal game. If Tarleton sends fans, its 6.5 hours to RGV and 8.5 to NMSU. Given the choice, I'd rather go to LC.

DI don't know. UTRGV is still UT system. Could be something considering we're A&M system. Still going to be iffy though.

Don't want to set off a realignment thread, but if Kingsville joined that would probably be a better rivalry both for UTRGV and for Tarleton.

History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:58 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:28 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 07:10 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  DI don't know. UTRGV is still UT system. Could be something considering we're A&M system. Still going to be iffy though.

Don't want to set off a realignment thread, but if Kingsville joined that would probably be a better rivalry both for UTRGV and for Tarleton.

History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 07:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:58 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:28 AM)edinburger Wrote:  Don't want to set off a realignment thread, but if Kingsville joined that would probably be a better rivalry both for UTRGV and for Tarleton.

History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:58 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

As a UTPA+UTB merger victim who was sold the PUF idea (not that there was any choice for the buyers):

You're right, TAMUCC+TAMUK would get put on PUF, and you're also right that those pockets are way deeper than people out of state realize. But....

1. One reason the legislature is so willing to put new schoools on PUF is because they want to shift some burden off the non-PUF money. So at least part of the PUF will be displacing all the HEAF and maybe some of the regular state budget that the schools were getting.

2. The PUF money is restricted to capital projects like buildings and facilities. It can't be used for (say) assistant coaches. And it doesn't necessarily free up other money to use on coaches because of item 1.

3. At meetings with students, community leaders, etc the merger is sold as a great opportunity to get more resources. But to the legislators it's sold as a COST-CUTTING MEASURE.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:58 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 10:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-09-2020 08:08 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:58 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 11:28 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(04-08-2020 07:10 AM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  DI don't know. UTRGV is still UT system. Could be something considering we're A&M system. Still going to be iffy though.

Don't want to set off a realignment thread, but if Kingsville joined that would probably be a better rivalry both for UTRGV and for Tarleton.

History for us, geography for y'all. Doubt it'd happen but makes sense.
I agree it would be a rivalry for both parties.

Kingsville themselves will not make the jump. They have a proud history but have fallen on lean years. Small enrollment, moneys not there, and facilities need help.

However, a merger of A&M Kingsville and A&M Corpus (within 30 miles of each other) into a single A&M Coastal Bend could make that possible. I would hate to see that merger and they wouldn't be my first choice for Texas expansion, but I could see you guys hating them well enough

This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

But we already have a rivalry with corpus. Of course not Longhorns vs Aggies level but both schools have been working at it for 4 years. Kingsville doesn't really add anything.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-10-2020 11:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 10:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:03 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 02:56 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  This. The Kingsville/CC merger has gone from a real possibility to a strong probability. Chancellor Sharpe has publically stated he's all for it, and he usually gets what he wants. The resulting school would be well-funded and extremely capable; one that would demand a new D1 home to dabble in. UTRGV came to be in a similar fashion, merging UT Pan-Am and UT Brownsville. This is a natural rivalry just waiting to happen.

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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Love it that Tarleton fans are many already here and seem like they have knowledge.
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(04-11-2020 09:43 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Love it that Tarleton fans are many already here and seem like they have knowledge.
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RE: Budding WAC rivalries...
(04-11-2020 09:16 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 11:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 10:34 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(04-10-2020 07:51 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  [quote='PojoaquePosse' pid='16773519' dateline='1586563438']

You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.
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Once Tarleton State experiences Lew Hill's brand of basketball, the Texan fans will take a dislike to UTRGV; maybe even the start of a rivalry. They will meet the instigator known as Javon Levi. He originates from Killeen, TX. So, maybe some Texan fans might be aware of him. He is a very chippy player.
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(04-12-2020 01:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Once Tarleton State experiences Lew Hill's brand of basketball, the Texan fans will take a dislike to UTRGV; maybe even the start of a rivalry. They will meet the instigator known as Javon Levi. He originates from Killeen, TX. So, maybe some Texan fans might be aware of him. He is a very chippy player.

I think you’re right, given the way RGV plays something could spark that rivalry.
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(04-12-2020 01:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Once Tarleton State experiences Lew Hill's brand of basketball, the Texan fans will take a dislike to UTRGV; maybe even the start of a rivalry. They will meet the instigator known as Javon Levi. He originates from Killeen, TX. So, maybe some Texan fans might be aware of him. He is a very chippy player.

They're UT, shouldn't take too much but considering distance....*shakes fist apathetically*
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(04-12-2020 08:59 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-12-2020 01:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Once Tarleton State experiences Lew Hill's brand of basketball, the Texan fans will take a dislike to UTRGV; maybe even the start of a rivalry. They will meet the instigator known as Javon Levi. He originates from Killeen, TX. So, maybe some Texan fans might be aware of him. He is a very chippy player.

They're UT, shouldn't take too much but considering distance....*shakes fist apathetically*

Well, the initial rivalry might start with recruiting. Tarleton State and UTRGV could be recruiting many of the same Texas HS and JC players. Last season's Vaquero team had nine Texas players on its roster. And, I suspect initially Tarleton State will have even more Texas born players on its roster. With Tarleton State moving up, Billy Gilliepie will be stepping on Lew Hill's toes now that both schools play in the same conference and occupy the same recruiting space.
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(04-13-2020 02:22 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  
(04-12-2020 08:59 PM)Vulpes88 Wrote:  
(04-12-2020 01:55 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Once Tarleton State experiences Lew Hill's brand of basketball, the Texan fans will take a dislike to UTRGV; maybe even the start of a rivalry. They will meet the instigator known as Javon Levi. He originates from Killeen, TX. So, maybe some Texan fans might be aware of him. He is a very chippy player.

They're UT, shouldn't take too much but considering distance....*shakes fist apathetically*

Well, the initial rivalry might start with recruiting. Tarleton State and UTRGV could be recruiting many of the same Texas HS and JC players. Last season's Vaquero team had nine Texas players on its roster. And, I suspect initially Tarleton State will have even more Texas born players on its roster. With Tarleton State moving up, Billy Gilliepie will be stepping on Lew Hill's toes now that both schools play in the same conference and occupy the same recruiting space.

No doubt about that. Still though, more than that will be needed for this to become a rivalry.
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You Tarleton fans are so cute. It’s gonna be a fun forum with you guys in the fold...

Lol I implore you to "get learnt" on the State of Texas PUF:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen...nd_(Texas)

A Kingsville/CC merger institution would almost certainly be brought into the PUF fold, like the UT System did with UTRGV. Those pockets run DEEP.

Yes, UTRGV has been a rousing success in D1. I feel so foolish now... 07-coffee3

Lol point taken. Just wanted to express that the resources are there to go "all-in" on D1 athletic pursuits, if they are so inclined. So far, the A&M system seems more commited to that endeavor than UT. The rise of a strong Kingsville/CC D1 athletic program (including Football) would be very appealing to the top A&M brass, as they see D1 athletics as the best way to market an institution. Tarleton is benefiting from this now, and our new Prez seems to know how to get that money flowing in the right direction.

But back to the point: UTRGV and a newly formed A&M CC/Kingsville makes much more sense for a rivalry than UTRGV-Tarleton. I predict Tarleton will storm into the WAC guns 'a blazin', particuarly in MBB, and will try to make a rival out of the alpha dog in the room, NMST. The only way to do that is hire a big-name coach that knows how to recruit, and go win some games. So far I think we're on the right track. Tarleton is a deep-rooted Basketball school, I'm confident they will find a way to win.

I’m just having a little fun with the new Tarleton posters. I’m really glad you guys are here. I love the BCG hire. I love calling him BCG. I hope you guys do come out guns ‘a blazin’. But others have tried to hire a big name coach with name recognition and oodles of cash to try and topple NMSU (its NMSU, not NMST) and that hasn’t gone very well. I also think you are behind Dixie State coming out of the gate. Should be a fun ride.
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If we're behind them it's not by much. Talent I'd say even but Tarleton was inexperienced and playing in a tougher conference. We'll surpass them within 2 years at most.

Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

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(04-14-2020 04:32 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Hmmm...In the 32 years under Lonn Reisman (and son), Tarleton won 693 games. Thats's roughly 22 wins/season. That"s also including the last 2 years the son took over and quickly realized he was in over his head. He won, but he didn't win enough. So after 2 years of mediocrity, he was "promoted" into admininstration, out of respect for Lonn. The real reason he was let go and Tarleton hired BCG is there is an expectation of winning basketball games at Tarleton. Whatever level or conference they play in, that expectation will not change. Not sure if Dixie State has earned that same expectation. Their program may have found some success as of late, but their most successful season in D2 would have been considered a decent/down year for Tarleton.

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I don't have a dog in the fight, but isn't "success as of late" more relevant to possible/probable future success than decades old tournament appearances and conference championships?
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(04-14-2020 05:10 PM)gleadley Wrote:  I don't have a dog in the fight, but isn't "success as of late" more relevant to possible/probable future success than decades old tournament appearances and conference championships?

Exactly, one guy got hurt because I said they were a mid level d2 program. From what I saw when they first announced they were joining our conference and this past year they’ve mid level. I could care less about their past. It don’t mean anything. Now let’s see what they do with this hire.
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