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The Times They Are A-Changin'
NCAA grants waiver for all spring-sports athletes to receive extra year of eligibility

Will be very interesting to see how many KSU athletes take advantage of this. A good deal of quality team & individuals that could benefit from this opportunity & realize what was taken from them this year.

Track & Field (Christian Champen & TJ Lawson among others)
Baseball
Softball
Women's Golf

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03-30-2020 08:26 PM
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For athletes in these sports that are usually on partial scholarships, how many have budgeted themselves financially and academically to come back for another full school year to play a year from now? I’m guessing many seniors have already ended their careers prematurely and won’t compete again.
03-30-2020 08:44 PM
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(03-30-2020 08:44 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  For athletes in these sports that are usually on partial scholarships, how many have budgeted themselves financially and academically to come back for another full school year to play a year from now? I’m guessing many seniors have already ended their careers prematurely and won’t compete again.

One can hope that women's golf seniors in particular, and perhaps baseball seniors as well, give it serious consideration.

And that the school finds a way to help bolster whatever the scholarship does not. Perhaps, the loophole is ... the school can give these seniors full scholarships while maintaining the status quo with others behind them.

That would likely be the ADs call.
03-30-2020 08:56 PM
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Women’s Golf had legitimate chance to win NCAA
Another year of experience and keeping team
Together would only bolster their chances....
Whatever it takes
03-31-2020 07:44 AM
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NCAA said returning seniors could get up to the amount they received this season. It wouldn’t count against scholarship limits.

Schools could decide to give them less money or none at all.

Budgets, especially at mid-majors are already tight. NCAA basketball revenue is way down. Shutdown and refunds have schools in general bleeding money.

Things are going to be tough in many places.
03-31-2020 11:17 PM
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Record-Courier story on implications of scholarship extension.

https://www.record-courier.com/sports/20...kent-state
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(03-31-2020 11:17 PM)cschierh Wrote:  NCAA said returning seniors could get up to the amount they received this season. It wouldn’t count against scholarship limits.

Schools could decide to give them less money or none at all.

Budgets, especially at mid-majors are already tight. NCAA basketball revenue is way down. Shutdown and refunds have schools in general bleeding money.

Things are going to be tough in many places.

$$$$$$$$. Money for MAC schools especially Kent is going to be tough
If Big 10 only plays Conference schedule and that’s what several AD’s have expressed. Along with playing Feb-May football , Kent will be in a bad way
$5 million in guarantees to play PSU, Kentucky and Alabama. The University
In a $13 million hole before all of this. Not sure where a bail out comes from unless somebody wins lottery. Tough to buy lottery tickets from home .
Our AD is highest paid in MAC before we start cutting coaches and sports “tough decisions need to be made”. President and other top administration people need to take pay cuts also.
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(04-05-2020 12:01 PM)Older and Older Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 11:17 PM)cschierh Wrote:  NCAA said returning seniors could get up to the amount they received this season. It wouldn’t count against scholarship limits.

Schools could decide to give them less money or none at all.

Budgets, especially at mid-majors are already tight. NCAA basketball revenue is way down. Shutdown and refunds have schools in general bleeding money.

Things are going to be tough in many places.

$$$$$$$$. Money for MAC schools especially Kent is going to be tough
If Big 10 only plays Conference schedule and that’s what several AD’s have expressed. Along with playing Feb-May football , Kent will be in a bad way
$5 million in guarantees to play PSU, Kentucky and Alabama. The University
In a $13 million hole before all of this. Not sure where a bail out comes from unless somebody wins lottery. Tough to buy lottery tickets from home .
Our AD is highest paid in MAC before we start cutting coaches and sports “tough decisions need to be made”. President and other top administration people need to take pay cuts also.

The guess here is - no matter what - PSU, Kentucky, Alabama will not be in a rush to pay/play KSU this season.

Better believe the suits from one or more of these three teams are already looking for a way out of the deal, even if the miracle hits and there is a full season.
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A few shocking comments from me

AD needs to go for a plethora of reasons but highest paid will put a spot light on him

Football without the big paydays will need to drop a Division. I would not be surprised if the MAC did this as a league. I know the Zips cannot afford their teams right now. Drop a Division and then you can drop a girls team and that is a lot of money.
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To the best of my knowledge the rule still stands that does not allow a school with a D I basketball program to play D II in football. So, the MAC could become D I FCS, but no lower. That would be like dropping half a division.
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(04-06-2020 09:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  To the best of my knowledge the rule still stands that does not allow a school with a D I basketball program to play D II in football. So, the MAC could become D I FCS, but no lower. That would be like dropping half a division.

Unless we just go D2 in everything. The way things are going who knows.
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I don't see how the solution to losing the money we would make off non conference games next year would be to make it so we'd never make that money in a future year.

If we do lose the money games I would think it would make more sense to try to play only regional games for a year to limit travel expenses then return to normal in 2021.
04-06-2020 09:40 AM
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(04-06-2020 09:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  To the best of my knowledge the rule still stands that does not allow a school with a D I basketball program to play D II in football. So, the MAC could become D I FCS, but no lower. That would be like dropping half a division.

Dayton does this correct? DI for all sports but FCS for football.
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Yeah, KSUforever. And Dayton, primarily, is the reason the rule changed. They were DIII in football before that. Schools like Dayton had too many financial resources for the traditional D III schools to compete with.

Before D III they were actually a D I independent a few years and won between 3 to 5 games a year.
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I remember a friend played at Baldwin Wallace and they made the D3 playoffs and ended up against Dayton. My friend called bull**** on them being a D3 team with several players on "track" scholarships. BW lost a tough game.
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(04-06-2020 09:40 AM)anti-zip Wrote:  I don't see how the solution to losing the money we would make off non conference games next year would be to make it so we'd never make that money in a future year.

If we do lose the money games I would think it would make more sense to try to play only regional games for a year to limit travel expenses then return to normal in 2021.

I can see that logic too. My concern is upheavals like this tend to cause things that were happening slowly to get accelerated. Borderline small businesses will probably go away (not to mention bigger ones like Macy’s). The NCAA landscape was on the verge of some large changes and I just wonder if this will make them happen faster. I’m thinking the Power 5 or even just the top half of the Power 5 might just separate from the rest of the schools. Just speculation but they might decide they need all their money to survive as is. Not just in 2020 but beyond.
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Yes, as I said Dayton was prominent among the reasons for the rule change. There is no reason why schools can't legitimately have D I basketball, yet downscale football into TRUE D III programs, but there are always going to be schools finding ways trying to beat the system to win games and championships

Burden, I agree. For the longest time I've been wondering when college sports, especially football, will reorganize to reflect realties, especially financial ones. Sportswriter Rick Telander 30 years ago wrote an interesting book calling for really radical change. We all know about the difference between Power 5 schools and mid-majors. But, as I see it, the gap that is growing the most is among P 5. Most P 5 schools, even former super-powers like Michigan, are finder it harder and harder to be in the same league with schools like Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, LSU, Georgia and the like. Most teams in the lower half of P 5 have little hope of consistently being on a par with the super programs. Sure, they can pull off a win now and then and even have a title contender now and then, but consistently competing is becoming less and less realistic. Just look at recruiting, how the top 100 recruits are going to fewer and fewer schools, as are five-star recruits.
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(04-07-2020 10:30 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  Yes, as I said Dayton was prominent among the reasons for the rule change. There is no reason why schools can't legitimately have D I basketball, yet downscale football into TRUE D III programs, but there are always going to be schools finding ways trying to beat the system to win games and championships

Burden, I agree. For the longest time I've been wondering when college sports, especially football, will reorganize to reflect realties, especially financial ones. Sportswriter Rick Telander 30 years ago wrote an interesting book calling for really radical change. We all know about the difference between Power 5 schools and mid-majors. But, as I see it, the gap that is growing the most is among P 5. Most P 5 schools, even former super-powers like Michigan, are finder it harder and harder to be in the same league with schools like Ohio State, Clemson, Alabama, LSU, Georgia and the like. Most teams in the lower half of P 5 have little hope of consistently being on a par with the super programs. Sure, they can pull off a win now and then and even have a title contender now and then, but consistently competing is becoming less and less realistic. Just look at recruiting, how the top 100 recruits are going to fewer and fewer schools, as are five-star recruits.

To me, it's looking more and more like a lot of top division European soccer, where there are leagues that have clubs that are expected to be in the Top 3 every year in a 20 club league. For example, in Portugal's premier league, two clubs have won the league each of the last ten year's with the other club finishing second in 7 of those years and 3rd in the other three. This is in a league with 18 teams. I would think it would get boring really fast, but it looks like D1A college football is turning into this where 4 teams have 17 of the 24 appearances in the BCS playoffs. I guess it'll keep Ohio happy.
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Good points, Bopol. Yeah Ohio is happy. I was talking with a friend who lives and dies OSU football, even though he didn't go there or anyplace else. I asked him if it doesn't get a little boring, with so few of their games being competitive. He said no, that he wouldn't be bored if they beat everyone by 70 points every game. He said he'd love that.
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As a season ticket holder I was requested to fill out a survey about the game day experience. I assume a lot of you received it. They actually asked is I liked the dance team or the cheerleaders better. Also did I like the tic tac toe game better than the tricycle race. I guess the Indians and the Blue Jackets have sent me similar surveys but this one seemed a little bit on the silly side. I can’t imagine any response from a person more than 12 years old would be meaningful. There sure doesn’t seem to be much depth to their marketing campaign.
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