Kent State Golden Flashes

Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
The Times They Are A-Changin'
Author Message
cleveland Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,113
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 13
I Root For: basketball
Location:
Post: #41
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-14-2020 08:27 PM)cschierh Wrote:  Are there buy games in any sports except football and basketball? Wbb has them, but they sure don’t pay much.

The idea is interesting, but will the teams doing the buying still want to? If Arizona needs to save $7 million, couldn’t it save $2 million or $3 million by dumping its buy games.

This is going to be tough — for everybody.

TRUE ... and I guess you're talking both FB abd BB here but the answer applies to both. All these P5 teams in both sports need wins. They are not making the FB playoffs or elite national bowl game without wins.

And in BB, it's been proven they can have a losing record in conference play, but having a losing record in both conference and overall will not get you to the NCAA Tournament.

The P5s still need wins ... so they will still have to pay for them!!!
04-14-2020 09:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cschierh Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,207
Joined: Jan 2011
Reputation: 8
I Root For: Kent State
Location: Kent
Post: #42
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
Perhaps. But what if the other option is cutting 50 scholarships. Or laying off a lot assistant coaches. Or eliminating non-revenue teams.

That $7 million has to come from somewhere.

I just saw that Baylor -- Baylor -- is cutting $50 million to $80 from the university budget. That includes cutting the athletic budget.

I have no idea what's going to happen.

But it's not going to be a happy thing.
04-14-2020 09:31 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
KSUforever Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 113
Joined: Aug 2019
Reputation: 0
I Root For: Kent State Univ
Location:
Post: #43
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
UC just cut mens soccer. Now, they are hoping to join the Big 12 which does not have soccer but its still a massive cut. Of course, next year we wont have the highest AD in the league.
04-15-2020 09:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
burden Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,385
Joined: Nov 2005
Reputation: 13
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #44
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-14-2020 09:31 PM)cschierh Wrote:  Perhaps. But what if the other option is cutting 50 scholarships. Or laying off a lot assistant coaches. Or eliminating non-revenue teams.

That $7 million has to come from somewhere.

I just saw that Baylor -- Baylor -- is cutting $50 million to $80 from the university budget. That includes cutting the athletic budget.

I have no idea what's going to happen.

But it's not going to be a happy thing.

Since school was invented to give students an education it might be a very happy thing. Let the NBA and NFL pay for their minor league player development like the MLB and the NHL do.
04-15-2020 09:29 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Muskrat Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 829
Joined: Oct 2008
Reputation: 4
I Root For: Kent State
Location:
Post: #45
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
Burden said "Since school was invented to give students an education it might be a very happy thing. Let the NBA and NFL pay for their minor league player development like the MLB and the NHL do."

Burden, I've felt that way for probably close to 50 years.
04-15-2020 10:28 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Older and Older Offline
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 109
Joined: Nov 2017
Reputation: 0
I Root For: Kent State
Location:
Post: #46
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-15-2020 09:10 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  UC just cut mens soccer. Now, they are hoping to join the Big 12 which does not have soccer but its still a massive cut. Of course, next year we wont have the highest AD in the league.

Cuts are definitely coming and it will be men’s sports at Kent vs Lacrosse.
Track, Wrestling as a guess. Baseball a long shot... but very expensive.

Bigger problem is NCAA transfer portal. This will reduce MAC to “minor leagues” for Power 5 schools. Can envision a Power 5 coach telling a recruit “ play 2 years at a MAC school get some seasoning and we will then bring you up to our level”. This will discourage our dwindling fan base even further. Lack of leadership from AD, Administration, and MAC office
not helpful. They can disguise all as Covid 19 cuts.
04-19-2020 10:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cleveland Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,113
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 13
I Root For: basketball
Location:
Post: #47
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-19-2020 10:07 AM)Older and Older Wrote:  
(04-15-2020 09:10 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  UC just cut mens soccer. Now, they are hoping to join the Big 12 which does not have soccer but its still a massive cut. Of course, next year we wont have the highest AD in the league.

Cuts are definitely coming and it will be men’s sports at Kent vs Lacrosse.
Track, Wrestling as a guess. Baseball a long shot... but very expensive.

Bigger problem is NCAA transfer portal. This will reduce MAC to “minor leagues” for Power 5 schools. Can envision a Power 5 coach telling a recruit “ play 2 years at a MAC school get some seasoning and we will then bring you up to our level”. This will discourage our dwindling fan base even further. Lack of leadership from AD, Administration, and MAC office
not helpful. They can disguise all as Covid 19 cuts.

MY FIRST REACTION THE SAME AS YOURS .... BUT:

I think players seeing the likes of DP and Sanders staying, along with the likes of El-Amin, Flowers and ARoberts still floating around the portal over a month with elite options dwindling might be a bit of a wake-up call, at least when it comes to guards.

Guys like them are a nickle each right now in the portal.

Are any of those guys really going to find comparable minutes and status (No. 1, No.2 even No. 3 options) on the teams they wind up with?

Only on teams/programs either rebuilding or worse than the ones they are leaving.

Folks better step back a bit and look: YES! The MAC is a one-bid league. But it may be one of the Top 3-2-1 One-bid leagues in the country.

Sooner or later, the more players like Sanders, Pippen and all those seniors at Buffalo, 2019, stay instead of go, the MAC will burst the second-team bubble.
04-19-2020 01:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
anti-zip Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,108
Joined: Feb 2009
Reputation: 23
I Root For: kent state!
Location:
Post: #48
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
It would be interesting to see what it does to us. I hope we don't have to find out. I do think the JUCO guys we go after would still be likely to stick around for two years in most cases. Also, we could take advantage of guys at bigger schools moving down. If someone like De La Rosa can jump up a level and be a lightly used role player then can't lightly used role players move down a level and have similar production to ADR here?

I do think it would hurt the quality of basketball around the country because there would be no continuity. And if a mid major team did manage to keep a strong class together for 4 years they could make serious noise in the tournament. It would also be bad for fan bases but I don't think they care about mid major fan bases.
04-19-2020 01:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cleveland Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,113
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 13
I Root For: basketball
Location:
Post: #49
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-19-2020 01:52 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what it does to us. I hope we don't have to find out. I do think the JUCO guys we go after would still be likely to stick around for two years in most cases. Also, we could take advantage of guys at bigger schools moving down. If someone like De La Rosa can jump up a level and be a lightly used role player then can't lightly used role players move down a level and have similar production to ADR here?

I do think it would hurt the quality of basketball around the country because there would be no continuity. And if a mid major team did manage to keep a strong class together for 4 years they could make serious noise in the tournament. It would also be bad for fan bases but I don't think they care about mid major fan bases.

In a perfect world (todays standards) I believe an ideal mid-major roster would have four veteran "program" players, four jucos, four freshmen and a redshirt/transfer sit-out of some quality.

The key would be to have one all-conference caliber veteran in that mix, an all-conference caliber juco and an all-freshman team rookie with the redshirt/transfer sit-out being of quality as well to help transition.

If you look at the KSU make-up, Pippen (if healthy) is all-conference caliber, one of the juco's is hopefully all-conference caliber, and if Hernandez (as a redshirt freshman) is he is as advertised should make all-freshman team. Nuga (transfer) should be a Top 6-7 player as well.

That looks to be the core of a competitive MAC team.
04-19-2020 02:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
thanksjim Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,427
Joined: Mar 2008
Reputation: 19
I Root For: KSU
Location:
Post: #50
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
TSDTR looking to cut their athletic budget by 20%

https://www.beaconjournal.com/news/20200...oronavirus
(This post was last modified: 04-23-2020 11:10 PM by thanksjim.)
04-23-2020 11:09 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Muskrat Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 829
Joined: Oct 2008
Reputation: 4
I Root For: Kent State
Location:
Post: #51
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
“There is considerable uncertainty about the future of mid-major Division I athletics,” Miller said. “Additional reorganization and reduction may be necessary in that area as we learn more about the future of athletics.”
04-24-2020 08:07 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
burden Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,385
Joined: Nov 2005
Reputation: 13
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #52
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
NCAA says they will not waive the DI requirement of having at least 16 sports. They were being asked to waive it for four years but have decided not to. Since the 5 smaller DI conferences were the ones that wanted this to happen, I assume this will make things more difficult for Kent St. to maintain its DI status.
(This post was last modified: 04-26-2020 01:29 PM by burden.)
04-26-2020 01:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Muskrat Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 829
Joined: Oct 2008
Reputation: 4
I Root For: Kent State
Location:
Post: #53
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
Burden, correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think it would affect D I status. Wouldn't it just affect their FBS (formerly known as I-A) status in football?
04-26-2020 01:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
burden Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,385
Joined: Nov 2005
Reputation: 13
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #54
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-26-2020 01:36 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Burden, correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think it would affect D I status. Wouldn't it just affect their FBS (formerly known as I-A) status in football?

I'm not sure about that. But it did mention you need 14 sports to be DIAA so you’re probably right.
(This post was last modified: 04-26-2020 02:13 PM by burden.)
04-26-2020 02:12 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Ken Barna Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,177
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 15
I Root For: EMU
Location:
Post: #55
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
Dear Kent Fans,
In all of your discussions about dropping down in football, and keeping basketball as division one, If I am correct, that means you cannot be a continuing member of the MAC. The rule is, both sports must be Division One.
04-27-2020 12:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GFlash68 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,059
Joined: May 2002
Reputation: 15
I Root For: Kent State
Location: Ohio

Crappies
Post: #56
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
I have a feeling that Kent State will handle this crisis as well as any MAC program. We are in this together and it will stay that way.
04-27-2020 01:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
thanksjim Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,427
Joined: Mar 2008
Reputation: 19
I Root For: KSU
Location:
Post: #57
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-27-2020 01:07 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  I have a feeling that Kent State will handle this crisis as well as any MAC program. We are in this together and it will stay that way.

+1 We're all together, lets go forward KSU!
04-27-2020 01:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
cleveland Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,113
Joined: Jan 2016
Reputation: 13
I Root For: basketball
Location:
Post: #58
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-27-2020 01:28 PM)thanksjim Wrote:  
(04-27-2020 01:07 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  I have a feeling that Kent State will handle this crisis as well as any MAC program. We are in this together and it will stay that way.

+1 We're all together, lets go forward KSU!

In the past the MAC overall has been help up as the prototype of what ALL division I conferences should look like in terms of competitiveness, salary structure and finances (arms races). Unlike most conferences, big and mid-major, the MAC is not out of whack in any of those areas.

Belts have to be tightened, for sure, but the MAC overall and it appears KSU in particular are in competitive shape, considering ...
04-27-2020 01:40 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Sultan of Euphonistan Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,988
Joined: Sep 2010
Reputation: 80
I Root For: Baritones
Location: The Euphonistan Tree
Post: #59
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
(04-27-2020 12:40 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Kent Fans,
In all of your discussions about dropping down in football, and keeping basketball as division one, If I am correct, that means you cannot be a continuing member of the MAC. The rule is, both sports must be Division One.

Well you have two parts that are false in this statement.

1. If Kent were to drop down to FCS they would still be division one in all sports. FCS is still division one and so the rule stating you must have all your sports in divsion one (with a few exceptions in certain sports) is not violated by dropping down to FCS.

2. There is no rule saying that you must keep your football in FBS to be in a FBS conference, at least via the NCAA for instance the Sunbelt has two schools that do not play FBS football but are in the conference and a few years ago when South Alabama was first starting up they were in the Sunbelt for all sports except football which was for a time FCS though did eventually move up to FBS and joined the Sunbelt in football to go along with their other sports that were also in the Sunbelt.

Now that being said what you will likely find is that the MAC itself may not be willing to allow a school to drop football down to FCS and stay in the MAC. The NCAA may not have a rule for this but the conference could decide to make one quite easilly if the conference does not already have one.

I am absolutely against dropping down to FCS as it is quite pointless as cost is not going to drop enough, the fact that the MAC would likely not allow us to stay, and the loss of the perks of FBS would make it a poor choice.
04-27-2020 03:20 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Ken Barna Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,177
Joined: Aug 2011
Reputation: 15
I Root For: EMU
Location:
Post: #60
RE: The Times They Are A-Changin'
Dear Sultan of Euphonistan,
I should have been more clear in defining division one, because you are correct about FCS, however your point about the MAC's position is what counts to keep eligibility in the MAC. It does not matter what the NCAA position is, it is the MAC rule.
04-27-2020 04:23 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2020 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2020 MyBB Group.