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(04-08-2020 11:39 AM)burden Wrote:  As a season ticket holder I was requested to fill out a survey about the game day experience. I assume a lot of you received it. They actually asked is I liked the dance team or the cheerleaders better. Also did I like the tic tac toe game better than the tricycle race. I guess the Indians and the Blue Jackets have sent me similar surveys but this one seemed a little bit on the silly side. I can’t imagine any response from a person more than 12 years old would be meaningful. There sure doesn’t seem to be much depth to their marketing campaign.

The better ??? would be like, ...

Do you prefer the buffet/beer tables in the end zone or somewhere else.

Would you prefer season ticket holders sit in the end zones (w/chairbacks) or on the sidelines.

Would you prefer more more rap/hip hop music or more 70-80-90s music?

Ask adults adult questions ... ask the children the children's questions.

Who hires these people ...
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This survey was awful. Seriously, do we have Kent Roosevelt kids helping out? I just hammered them about getting a marketing team to help with attendance.
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I always liked the hype guy.
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Honestly. Looking back there were probably better things to complain about than that nonsense but how can we forget. The mic cutting in and out. Voice cracks due to screaming into a microphone. Hype guy getting cut off by public address, fans ignoring his cheer commands. Those were simpler times.
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I miss Rex Hughes.
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They have a revolving door of employees, so go figure. Their seats don't even get warm before they are off to a better paying job. 01-lauramac2
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(04-08-2020 11:39 AM)burden Wrote:  As a season ticket holder I was requested to fill out a survey about the game day experience. I assume a lot of you received it. They actually asked is I liked the dance team or the cheerleaders better. Also did I like the tic tac toe game better than the tricycle race. I guess the Indians and the Blue Jackets have sent me similar surveys but this one seemed a little bit on the silly side. I can’t imagine any response from a person more than 12 years old would be meaningful. There sure doesn’t seem to be much depth to their marketing campaign.

Got it also. Pure fluff. They are not interested in asking the tough questions like why do fans think the games aren’t fun anymore. Or why with 7000 students on Campus we regularly get 50-100 even with their stupid giveaways. Or why they budget $65K annually to give away tshirts to the same people game after game. Even Goodwill doesn’t want them anymore. Total waste of $$$!. Cheerleaders and Dance team throw to the same people every game. Survey... Garbage
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(04-06-2020 10:12 AM)KSUforever Wrote:  
(04-06-2020 09:12 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  To the best of my knowledge the rule still stands that does not allow a school with a D I basketball program to play D II in football. So, the MAC could become D I FCS, but no lower. That would be like dropping half a division.

Dayton does this correct? DI for all sports but FCS for football.

You are correct about D1 schools , having DII football. No can do
Besides DII still awards scholarships, just not as many. KSU is woefully behind MAC schools in endowed scholarships, other than Golf (Herb Page)
Because our fundraising efforts are pitiful.
Buck stops with AD, Other than calling on Big Shots he has no use for the average donor. This average donor has lots of valued institutions that will
gladly appreciate our gift
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Always amazes me we have a university that is educating future business leaders on business and marketing yet fails miserably year after year with marketing our own athletics. No need to spend the money to hire outside firms IMO.
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Albert Flasher, I don't miss Rex Hughes but I really miss that era. College basketball was much simpler then. At least, it seemed so.
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Albert Flasher, I liked the Jim McDonald era a lot. he brought respect to the program not seen in 30 years prior to that. Sure, he had some bad seasons, especially his last two. But his teams were well coached and he lost three MAC championship games by a total of about 8 points. And those losses were to REALLY good Miami, CMU and especially Ball State teams.
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(04-09-2020 07:27 PM)Muskrat Wrote:  Albert Flasher, I don't miss Rex Hughes but I really miss that era. College basketball was much simpler then. At least, it seemed so.

Yeah, that's basically to which I was inferring. Had some interesting characters. I remember Burrell McGhee, Corteze Brown, Zoet (the seven footer), Odell Ball, Brabson (from Barberton), & can't forget Trent Grooms. Actually DP reminds me a bit of Grooms. If I recall, Trent played in the NBA, but not 100% sure. Fun times, even though I thought the Flashes really under-achieved during the Hughes era.
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Albert Flasher, I agree they did underachieve. There WAS some talent there.
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Jim McDonald a class act.
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If we go back much farther we will be talking about the Naismith days.
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(04-10-2020 12:20 PM)FlashPan Wrote:  Jim McDonald a class act.

Absolutely, agree 110% on McDonald
Rex Hughes was too visionary for Kent.
I got to know him well while interning with SID
At the time Kent wasn’t ready for him.
Dancers in White Boots like Cavs Dancers
Boy with some support he could have really turned things around
His vision was Kent playing all games at Coliseum.
He should have coached for Nick Milleti
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Joel Nielsen posted a newsletter today that gave some hints on what's ahead for KSU and MAC athletics.

Basically there are going to be budget cuts and schedule changes, among other this.

Here's the good stuff from the newsletter:

"As athletic departments plan and prepare for the road ahead, many in our industry have said, 'College sports as we know it will never be the same.'

"While I tend to agree, it doesn't mean that college sports won't still be able to provide the opportunities and entertainment it's been providing for over a century.

"Keeping that in mind, athletic departments will face difficult decisions in figuring out how to operate with less money. Staff sizing, travel restrictions, schedule modifications, and other budget reductions are logical options.

"Those decisions even become more difficult if the pandemic affects our Fall sports. There is also uncertainty as to when the economy will be 'reopened' and how quickly it will rebound. That will affect fundraising, corporate sponsorships, ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc.

"At the direction of the MAC President's Council, and under the leadership of Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, the conference has been working on modifications to schedules, championships and other items.

"The recommendations will be reviewed and discussed over the next couple of weeks, and then shared with our students, staff and supporters."

Link to the full letter

The University of Arizona, a far richer school than Kent State, is projecting a $7.5 million shortfall in athletic revenue. It is freezing all athletic spending, hiring and raises. Cuts in salaries, programs and scholarships are possible. (The situation was announced in a memo that was leaked to USA Today.)

Cincinnati announced Wednesday it was eliminating men's soccer team as a cost-cutting measure.

Earlier Wisconsin said that even though the NCAA had granted current seniors in spring sports an extra year of eligibility, it wouldn't be able to afford scholarships for them.

Tough times ahead -- for sports and the rest of us.
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A few more thoughts on all the things that are up in the air about Kent State and college sports. (More detail is on the blog at http://wbbFlashes.com.)

• Can there be on-campus summer workouts and practice? Every team has them. But Kent State has announced there will be no sponsored activities until at least July 4.

• What about football? Could practice even start as usual in early August? Will we have televised games in empty stadiums? Schedules reduced to conference games only (as some in the Big Ten have suggested)? The football season postponed to spring?

• What happens in fall? Some universities have talked about keeping campuses closed and sticking with online classes. Official practice for basketball and other winter sports starts in October. Can that happen if there are no other students on campus?

There's no doubt in be mind that Kent State and universities across the country and discussing these points right now.
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(04-14-2020 06:48 PM)cschierh Wrote:  Joel Nielsen posted a newsletter today that gave some hints on what's ahead for KSU and MAC athletics.

Basically there are going to be budget cuts and schedule changes, among other this.

Here's the good stuff from the newsletter:

"As athletic departments plan and prepare for the road ahead, many in our industry have said, 'College sports as we know it will never be the same.'

"While I tend to agree, it doesn't mean that college sports won't still be able to provide the opportunities and entertainment it's been providing for over a century.

"Keeping that in mind, athletic departments will face difficult decisions in figuring out how to operate with less money. Staff sizing, travel restrictions, schedule modifications, and other budget reductions are logical options.

"Those decisions even become more difficult if the pandemic affects our Fall sports. There is also uncertainty as to when the economy will be 'reopened' and how quickly it will rebound. That will affect fundraising, corporate sponsorships, ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc.

"At the direction of the MAC President's Council, and under the leadership of Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, the conference has been working on modifications to schedules, championships and other items.

"The recommendations will be reviewed and discussed over the next couple of weeks, and then shared with our students, staff and supporters."

Link to the full letter

The University of Arizona, a far richer school than Kent State, is projecting a $7.5 million shortfall in athletic revenue. It is freezing all athletic spending, hiring and raises. Cuts in salaries, programs and scholarships are possible. (The situation was announced in a memo that was leaked to USA Today.)

Cincinnati announced Wednesday it was eliminating men's soccer team as a cost-cutting measure.

Earlier Wisconsin said that even though the NCAA had granted current seniors in spring sports an extra year of eligibility, it wouldn't be able to afford scholarships for them.

Tough times ahead -- for sports and the rest of us.


First ... a couple of things that would be EQUITABLE for all sports.

1) To start I would expect coaches and athletic admins to be taking a 5-10 percent pay cut to start things off across the board.

2) Over the next four years I would cut back one scholarship for every 10 a sport gives out. Basketball (13 per year), for example, would lose 5 scholarships over a 4-year period.

Football and probably hockey would lose 35 scholarships (over 4 years) ... now before the FB wonks start screaming, lets not forget no other sport gets the scholarship benefits FB already gets in the form of blue shirts and gray shirts, not to mention the ability for true freshmen to play up to four games, and still maintain freshman eligibility for the following year.

I would argue baseball and certainly m/w basketball would feel the sting of their scholarship losses much more than FB/hockey.

Women's basketball (15 per year) would lose 6 scholarships, and so on. That would be about 30 scholarships per year at an estimated cost of $20,000 That's $600,000 a year already, not counting the NCAA-mandated stipends those athletes were getting which add up to probably another $100,000 or more combined.

3) I would cut back on new uniform purchases to every other year for all sports. Most teams have so many uniforms it's tough to say which ones are actually 'official.' I have no clue how much a set of unis coast per team, but I'm guessing this could save anywhere from $150,000 to $250,000.

Combined with coach/admin salary cuts you're talking roughly $1-mil a year already. But there's more.

4) Each sport play as many away 'buy' games or home/home as possible, building the coffers for each sport with the extra cash.

Why ...

I guaran-damn-tee you the MAC is going to start talking about playing 22 league games in BB and baseball in the guise of 'cost containment' along with cutting back on teams being eligible for MAC Tournament play in multiple sports.

The above cuts into that argument. This is a parity driven league in practically all primary sports. The MAC traditionally celebrates that fact ... so why cut it, particularly when (for example) cutting first round MAC Tournament home games (m/w BB), or cutting one round of Base/soft tournament play, or one round of m/w golf tournament play certainly won't add up to a combined $1-mill. savings above?

Also, I would suggest the MAC come up with a 'cap' budget for every sport, for everybody, at least for the next four years. And then revisit.

The key here is to be equitable and fair for all ... which includes trying to maintain as much of the status quo as possible, even while making financial adjustments.

FINALLY (whew) I would hope the MAC schools would not raise any ticket prices for any sport at least over the next two years.


end of rant!!!
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Are there buy games in any sports except football and basketball? Wbb has them, but they sure don’t pay much.

The idea is interesting, but will the teams doing the buying still want to? If Arizona needs to save $7 million, couldn’t it save $2 million or $3 million by dumping its buy games.

This is going to be tough — for everybody.
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