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(05-22-2020 06:08 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:19 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

How long were you guys D2 compared to how long CBU was D2 (2010)? Like I said they have all the advantages I listed above compared to you guys. They had a plan to go D1, you guys were called mid year to move up.
They made the elite 8 the year they were moving up. You guys were tied for 7th place in your powerhouse conference they year you moved up.

Mic drop post!!

Lol hardly.
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(05-22-2020 07:08 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 10:37 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

You are pure class edinburger

It's gonna be fun watching these teams and coaches go at it.
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(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.
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(05-23-2020 08:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.

Spot on, I can’t wait to see this guys reply, he’s comical.
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(05-23-2020 08:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.

Get back at me when CBU builds that $50-million football stadium and fields a D1 football team. BY FAR the most expensive ontaking in all of NCAA sports. Keeping and maintaining football kills programs, and only the (financially) strong survive. They can't, and they won't. Why? Because they went all-in on Basketball. So yes, they should and do have a ton more money to throw at basketball, and it should equate to more wins. But it won't look like anything special after Tarleton has 3 years in the WAC and does more with less. Not picking a fight with anybody, but facts is facts. Tarleton>CBU was about who was the better D2 program, and without question, it was Tarleton. You should know that Bobcat.
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(05-23-2020 08:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.

Lol this is what we did as D2 like 5 years ago. I see nothing special at CBU. While great for the program, I guess Tarleton didn't feel it required a press conference.

And for those of you who don't know about the Great Rod Cole, he's one of the best in the biz. I forgot he's at Tarleton. Makes sense now how they always seems to punch above their weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkG03vN9W4
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(05-23-2020 10:18 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 08:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.

Lol this is what we did as D2 like 5 years ago. I see nothing special at CBU. While great for the program, I guess Tarleton didn't feel it required a press conference.

And for those of you who don't know about the Great Rod Cole, he's one of the best in the biz. I forgot he's at Tarleton. Makes sense now how they always seems to punch above their weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkG03vN9W4

That weight room sucks, that is definitely nothing to brag about. Half the 6A high school weight rooms in NM are better than that. That means 90% of the 5-6A high schools in Texas are better than that. I honestly don’t know if you’re posting stuff to joke around, which is fine or are you really this blind???
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I got curious and I looked at all the WAC teams weight rooms/performance centers and I can see another reason why NMSU dominates in the WAC. No one even comes close to the Coca Cola Performance Center at NMSU. I guess having a Division 1 FBS football team does make a difference.
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(Yesterday 07:49 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 10:18 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 08:15 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

You guys are entertaining. Tarleton State is going to be a great addition to the conference. But after July 1, you are no longer in the Lone Star Conference. As NMSUPistolPete stated, CBU built a state of the art arena for $78 million and they have added a number of quality D1 transfers. CBU won the Learfield Directors Cup as the top athletic program in D2 in 2018. In basketball, they have performed well when compared to the other D1 basketball programs in Southern California over the past two seasons:

SDSU 51-15 (.772)
UCI 52-17 (.753)
UCSB 43-20 (.682)
CBU 37-25 (.596)
USC 38-26 (.593)
UCLA 36-28 (.562)
LMU 33-33 (.500)
Pepperdine 32-34 (.484)
San Diego 30-38 (.441)
CSUN 28-38 (.424)
UCR 27-38 (.415)
CSUF 27-38 (.415)
LBSU 26-40 (.393)

CBU defeated UCI in Irvine this past season, 68-60. CBU was 2nd in the WAC last season, had the WAC POY in Milan Acquaah, the WAC Newcomer of the Year in Brandon Boyd and forward De'jon Davis led the WAC in rebounding for the second straight season. Davis also was 2nd team All-WAC and 1st team All-WAC defensively. So they have gone from D2 to D1 without missing a beat.

CBU has also had a good baseball program, which showed last season when they won a share of the WAC regular season baseball title with NMSU and UTRGV. They won a share by beating NMSU 2 out of 3 games in Las Cruces. CBU has had 21 players selected in the MLB draft in the past decade, 15 of which were pitchers. They have a baseball pitching factory. They have had at least one pitcher selected in every MLB draft in the past ten years. As a comparison, the last player selected in the MLB draft from Tarleton was in 2011.

CBU recently opened up a new athletics performance center, the largest such facility for a NCAA Division I non-football institution in the state of California.
https://cbulancers.com/news/2019/9/20/ge...enter.aspx

You guys don't have the money, facilities, or talent to pick this fight with CBU. Stick to UTRGV. CBU>Tarleton State.

Lol this is what we did as D2 like 5 years ago. I see nothing special at CBU. While great for the program, I guess Tarleton didn't feel it required a press conference.

And for those of you who don't know about the Great Rod Cole, he's one of the best in the biz. I forgot he's at Tarleton. Makes sense now how they always seems to punch above their weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkG03vN9W4

That weight room sucks, that is definitely nothing to brag about. Half the 6A high school weight rooms in NM are better than that. That means 90% of the 5-6A high schools in Texas are better than that. I honestly don’t know if you’re posting stuff to joke around, which is fine or are you really this blind???

Lol definitely not bragging. I didn't even bring it up. Just pointing out it's exactly the same size and scope of the "new largest athletic performance center" at CBU.

Though mostly adequate, Tarleton has nothing to brag about when it comes to facilities. That's why I keep harping on results.Tarleton does more with less. Always have.

Main point: By year 3, I predict Tarleton will be as good or better than CBU is at their 3-year mark in the WAC. And they'll do it with their little ol' rinky dink facilities. It will be a good lesson on coaching and the will to win.
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(Yesterday 09:19 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Main point: By year 3, I predict Tarleton will be as good or better than CBU is at their 3-year mark in the WAC. And they'll do it with their little ol' rinky dink facilities. It will be a good lesson on coaching and the will to win.

Bold prediction, CBU came in 5th their first year and 2nd their second year. We shall see.
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(05-23-2020 09:43 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Get back at me when CBU builds that $50-million football stadium and fields a D1 football team. BY FAR the most expensive ontaking in all of NCAA sports. Keeping and maintaining football kills programs, and only the (financially) strong survive. They can't, and they won't. Why? Because they went all-in on Basketball. So yes, they should and do have a ton more money to throw at basketball, and it should equate to more wins. But it won't look like anything special after Tarleton has 3 years in the WAC and does more with less. Not picking a fight with anybody, but facts is facts. Tarleton>CBU was about who was the better D2 program, and without question, it was Tarleton. You should know that Bobcat.

You haven't proven anything. Just saying it does not make it true.

1. CBU spent five years at the D2 level. They won the NCAA Division II Learfield Directors' Cup in 2018 after back-to-back top-four finishes the previous two years. The best finish ever for Tarleton State was 23rd in 2015. You are factually wrong, CBU had a better D2 athletic program than Tarleton.

2. In case you have not noticed, the WAC is an Olympic sports league. So football is irrelevant. What Tarleton spends on football has no relevance to the WAC. In 2018-2019, Tarleton had an athletic budget of $8.9 million, with $1.9 million spent on football. Those numbers need to go up significantly. CBU had an athletic budget of $22.5 million in 2018-2019 and that needs to go up.

3. In California, there are a combined 47 D1 & D2 schools. Only 12 play football. In Texas, there are a combined 36 D1 & D2 schools. In Texas, 27 of those schools play football. It is just not as important in California as it is in Texas. If CBU played at the D2 level, they would only have one other California school to play. It would be a waste of money to build a football program at CBU.

4. Besides basketball, Tarleton needs to catch up to CBU and the WAC in baseball. In 2019, Tarleton State went 15-36 in baseball. The Lone Star Conference had one player selected in the MLB draft in 2019. Tarleton has not had a player drafted in the MLB draft since 2011. There were 18 players selected in the MLB draft in 2019 from the WAC. CBU, the WAC co-champions in baseball, have had 21 players drafted in the last decade, with 11 of those players drafted in CBU's time at the D2 level. Just the basic facts.

I can confidently say that CBU>Tarleton State. But I could say that GCU>Tarleton State or UVU>Tarleton State or Seattle>Tarleton State or UTRGV>Tarleton State and obviously, NMSU>Tarleton State. You guys have to prove it and it is not easy. The WAC is competitive.
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(Yesterday 04:40 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-23-2020 09:43 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Get back at me when CBU builds that $50-million football stadium and fields a D1 football team. BY FAR the most expensive ontaking in all of NCAA sports. Keeping and maintaining football kills programs, and only the (financially) strong survive. They can't, and they won't. Why? Because they went all-in on Basketball. So yes, they should and do have a ton more money to throw at basketball, and it should equate to more wins. But it won't look like anything special after Tarleton has 3 years in the WAC and does more with less. Not picking a fight with anybody, but facts is facts. Tarleton>CBU was about who was the better D2 program, and without question, it was Tarleton. You should know that Bobcat.

You haven't proven anything. Just saying it does not make it true.

1. CBU spent five years at the D2 level. They won the NCAA Division II Learfield Directors' Cup in 2018 after back-to-back top-four finishes the previous two years. The best finish ever for Tarleton State was 23rd in 2015. You are factually wrong, CBU had a better D2 athletic program than Tarleton.

2. In case you have not noticed, the WAC is an Olympic sports league. So football is irrelevant. What Tarleton spends on football has no relevance to the WAC. In 2018-2019, Tarleton had an athletic budget of $8.9 million, with $1.9 million spent on football. Those numbers need to go up significantly. CBU had an athletic budget of $22.5 million in 2018-2019 and that needs to go up.

3. In California, there are a combined 47 D1 & D2 schools. Only 12 play football. In Texas, there are a combined 36 D1 & D2 schools. In Texas, 27 of those schools play football. It is just not as important in California as it is in Texas. If CBU played at the D2 level, they would only have one other California school to play. It would be a waste of money to build a football program at CBU.

4. Besides basketball, Tarleton needs to catch up to CBU and the WAC in baseball. In 2019, Tarleton State went 15-36 in baseball. The Lone Star Conference had one player selected in the MLB draft in 2019. Tarleton has not had a player drafted in the MLB draft since 2011. There were 18 players selected in the MLB draft in 2019 from the WAC. CBU, the WAC co-champions in baseball, have had 21 players drafted in the last decade, with 11 of those players drafted in CBU's time at the D2 level. Just the basic facts.

I can confidently say that CBU>Tarleton State. But I could say that GCU>Tarleton State or UVU>Tarleton State or Seattle>Tarleton State or UTRGV>Tarleton State and obviously, NMSU>Tarleton State. You guys have to prove it and it is not easy. The WAC is competitive.

Thanks for the novel. Holes in your argument everywhere. Let's just cut to the chase...

1. Basketball, man. Tarleton had a better D2 Basketball program than CBU. Tarleton>CBU

2. Tarleton"s budget was actaully $7.8 million, about half of the WAC average of $15 million. We increased our athletic fee for 2020-21 to more than double current budget, should be around $20 mil. You say CBU's is $22.5 mil, without football, I'd love to see it. Please show me. Just started a thread on that topic, check it out.

3. Football is coming back to the WAC. What planet have you been on?

4. I'll give you that. Baseball has been on a steady decline. The facilities are bad even by Tarleton standards, which doesn't help. I love Baseball, so it bothers me. I know we just a hired a young new coach that is showing promise. Many hurdles there.
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Please post a link to an article or press release that states football is coming to the WAC. Like the other guy said, just because you say it doesn't make it a fact. You sound like DavidSt or Nodak when you say that lol.
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Tarleton State has the making of a good basketball program. They have arguable one of the top coaches in the WAC (from day one) and they are in a talent rich state. However, that is where the rubber needs to hit the road. I realize Tarleton State fans have built up "some" arrogance having a good D2 basketball coach in Lonn Reisman. He is a legend at the D2 level. So, Tarleton fans are used to winning. However, the same can be said about every other D2 school that the WAC has added to its ranks.

I do like that Texan fans have a high opinion (pride) for their program. It makes for an interesting WAC, and the competitive discussions to come. However, to this point, none of the D2 schools have cracked the code on how to topple NMSU. Their is a steep learning curve ahead for Tarleton State. The good thing is they have a head coach who knows what a winning D1 program looks like first hand. Neither Dan Majerle, Rick Croy, or Jon Judkins have experienced winning at that level. With the hiring of Bryce Drew, GCU took a major step in the right direction. As for CBU and Dixie State, they both are relying on successful D2 coaches (their Lonn Reisman) to make their respective programs D1 competitive. Keep in mind, Rick Croy had a 0.820 winning percentage at CBU before joining the WAC. Since then his winning percentage has dropped to a more modest 0.597 in D1 ball. And, Jon Judkins accumulated 551 wins over a 27 year head coaching career; posting a 0.686 winning percentage. Both will be tested by long time D1 coaches on a nightly basis. So far, in his two D1 seasons, Croy has proved worthy. We will see if BCG still has some gas in his tank and if Judkins is over his head in the next two or three season. By then, their respective program's paths will be set.

In the D1 world recruiting and name recognition (School and coach) is everything. Case in point, former UVU coach Mark Pope could not make any progress upending Chris Jans at NMSU. Now that Pope is a BYU, the basketball world loves him. Is Pope a better coach than Jans? Hell NO. But Pope is now at a bigger program which has name recognition and better talent on his roster. I only mention this because BCG has coached at the highest level; where the name on the jersey brought in the best players. Now, will Gillispie need to get back to his coaching roots (as a grinder) at Tarleton State. He will now need to work much hard in the WAC to find good talent. If he can land the right talent, his natural coaching ability will shine; much like Chris Jans has done at NMSU; Jans is a grinder.
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(Yesterday 05:40 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Please post a link to an article or press release that states football is coming to the WAC. Like the other guy said, just because you say it doesn't make it a fact. You sound like DavidSt or Nodak when you say that lol.

I say it because our President and AD both said its so, and neither are known to be liars....

Q: Has there been any discussion about the possibility football could return to the WAC as a conference sport in the foreseeable future?

Reisman: The WAC is diligently recreating a football conference that the conference was built on with its rich tradition of football.

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(Yesterday 05:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Tarleton State has the making of a good basketball program. They have arguable one of the top coaches in the WAC (from day one) and they are in a talent rich state. However, that is where the rubber needs to hit the road. I realize Tarleton State fans have built up "some" arrogance having a good D2 basketball coach in Lonn Reisman. He is a legend at the D2 level. So, Tarleton fans are used to winning. However, the same can be said about every other D2 school that the WAC has added to its ranks.

I do like that Texan fans have a high opinion (pride) for their program. It makes for an interesting WAC, and the competitive discussions to come. However, to this point, none of the D2 schools have cracked the code on how to topple NMSU. Their is a steep learning curve ahead for Tarleton State. The good thing is they have a head coach who knows what a winning D1 program looks like first hand. Neither Dan Majerle, Rick Croy, or Jon Judkins have experienced winning at that level. With the hiring of Bryce Drew, GCU took a major step in the right direction. As for CBU and Dixie State, they both are relying on successful D2 coaches (their Lonn Reisman) to make their respective programs D1 competitive. Keep in mind, Rick Croy had a 0.820 winning percentage at CBU before joining the WAC. Since then his winning percentage has dropped to a more modest 0.597 in D1 ball. And, Jon Judkins accumulated 551 wins over a 27 year head coaching career; posting a 0.686 winning percentage. Both will be tested by long time D1 coaches on a nightly basis. So far, in his two D1 seasons, Croy has proved worthy. We will see if BCG still has some gas in his tank and if Judkins is over his head in the next two or three season. By then, their respective program's paths will be set.

In the D1 world recruiting and name recognition (School and coach) is everything. Case in point, former UVU coach Mark Pope could not make any progress upending Chris Jans at NMSU. Now that Pope is a BYU, the basketball world loves him. Is Pope a better coach than Jans? Hell NO. But Pope is now at a bigger program which has name recognition and better talent on his roster. I only mention this because BCG has coached at the highest level; where the name on the jersey brought in the best players. Now, will Gillispie need to get back to his coaching roots (as a grinder) at Tarleton State. He will now need to work much hard in the WAC to find good talent. If he can land the right talent, his natural coaching ability will shine; much like Chris Jans has done at NMSU; Jans is a grinder.

Lonn was very specific about why BCG was hired: 1. obviously, recruiting and name recognition, and 2. his experience in the WAC.
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Ok I still don't see where it says that it is actually happening. Seems more like wishful thinking to me.
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(Yesterday 06:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Ok I still don't see where it says that it is actually happening. Seems more like wishful thinking to me.

Why would the WAC add two football-playing schools and tell them they're restarting football, only to not restart football? Makes no sense.
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(Yesterday 05:42 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Tarleton State has the making of a good basketball program. They have arguable one of the top coaches in the WAC (from day one) and they are in a talent rich state. However, that is where the rubber needs to hit the road. I realize Tarleton State fans have built up "some" arrogance having a good D2 basketball coach in Lonn Reisman. He is a legend at the D2 level. So, Tarleton fans are used to winning. However, the same can be said about every other D2 school that the WAC has added to its ranks.

I do like that Texan fans have a high opinion (pride) for their program. It makes for an interesting WAC, and the competitive discussions to come. However, to this point, none of the D2 schools have cracked the code on how to topple NMSU. Their is a steep learning curve ahead for Tarleton State. The good thing is they have a head coach who knows what a winning D1 program looks like first hand. Neither Dan Majerle, Rick Croy, or Jon Judkins have experienced winning at that level. With the hiring of Bryce Drew, GCU took a major step in the right direction. As for CBU and Dixie State, they both are relying on successful D2 coaches (their Lonn Reisman) to make their respective programs D1 competitive. Keep in mind, Rick Croy had a 0.820 winning percentage at CBU before joining the WAC. Since then his winning percentage has dropped to a more modest 0.597 in D1 ball. And, Jon Judkins accumulated 551 wins over a 27 year head coaching career; posting a 0.686 winning percentage. Both will be tested by long time D1 coaches on a nightly basis. So far, in his two D1 seasons, Croy has proved worthy. We will see if BCG still has some gas in his tank and if Judkins is over his head in the next two or three season. By then, their respective program's paths will be set.

In the D1 world recruiting and name recognition (School and coach) is everything. Case in point, former UVU coach Mark Pope could not make any progress upending Chris Jans at NMSU. Now that Pope is a BYU, the basketball world loves him. Is Pope a better coach than Jans? Hell NO. But Pope is now at a bigger program which has name recognition and better talent on his roster. I only mention this because BCG has coached at the highest level; where the name on the jersey brought in the best players. Now, will Gillispie need to get back to his coaching roots (as a grinder) at Tarleton State. He will now need to work much hard in the WAC to find good talent. If he can land the right talent, his natural coaching ability will shine; much like Chris Jans has done at NMSU; Jans is a grinder.

Lonn was very specific about why BCG was hired: 1. obviously, recruiting and name recognition, and 2. his experience in the WAC.

Keep in mind, A LOT of successful former P5 coaches have watched the waning years of their coaching careers die at smaller schools... Heck, Cal State Bakersfield Rod Barnes' career (the former coach at Ole Miss) is now on life support. Hopefully, the new scenery of the Big West (with weaker competition) will revive his career one last time. I'm not saying this will happen to Gillispie but building a winning program at the WAC's currently level is much harder than when Gillispie did it in his youth. Back in the days when Gillispie first coached in the WAC, UTEP had name recognition; the only Texas team to win an NCAA National Championship. And, the first school to do it with five black starters. Everyone knows about UTEP. It was much easier to recruit to UTEP (and the Don Haskins Center) than it will be to recruit to Tarleton State (and Wisdom Gym).
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(Yesterday 06:04 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Ok I still don't see where it says that it is actually happening. Seems more like wishful thinking to me.

Why would the WAC add two football-playing schools and tell them they're restarting football, only to not restart football? Makes no sense.

I mean Tarleton also sold moving to D1 to prospective students and athletes for 15 years before it finally happened... not exactly dishonest since it eventually happened but not exactly honest either.
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