(05-21-2020 12:48 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Tarleton was in a league with Eastern and Western NM last year?!?! Aye, yi, yi!!! I just realized that. We beat Western by almost 50 last season and that was with our walk-ons playing the final 8 minutes of the game. I don't know what to say...

Don’t forget, this guy says it was a powerhouse league.

(05-21-2020 08:08 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 12:48 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Tarleton was in a league with Eastern and Western NM last year?!?! Aye, yi, yi!!! I just realized that. We beat Western by almost 50 last season and that was with our walk-ons playing the final 8 minutes of the game. I don't know what to say...

Don’t forget, this guy says it was a powerhouse league.

Both NM schools are low-tier programs across the board in the LSC. Everybody knows that. Western is a recent add. They needed a home and the LSC needed schools knowing Tarleton, and probably others, are going to bail.

Just for kicks I looked it up...LSC had two teams in the Top-10 D2 Rankings before the season ended. Tarleton, Angelo, and A&M-Commerce are usually up there, but were having a down year.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...bc-coaches

(05-21-2020 08:41 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 08:08 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 12:48 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Tarleton was in a league with Eastern and Western NM last year?!?! Aye, yi, yi!!! I just realized that. We beat Western by almost 50 last season and that was with our walk-ons playing the final 8 minutes of the game. I don't know what to say...

Don’t forget, this guy says it was a powerhouse league.

Both NM schools are low-tier programs across the board in the LSC. Everybody knows that. Western is a recent add. They needed a home and the LSC needed schools knowing Tarleton, and probably others, are going to bail.

Just for kicks I looked it up...LSC had two teams in the Top-10 D2 Rankings before the season ended. Tarleton, Angelo, and A&M-Commerce are usually up there, but were having a down year.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball...bc-coaches

Dixie State at #26. I think they were as high as #3 last season.

(05-21-2020 02:13 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 02:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 01:53 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 12:48 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Tarleton was in a league with Eastern and Western NM last year?!?! Aye, yi, yi!!! I just realized that. We beat Western by almost 50 last season and that was with our walk-ons playing the final 8 minutes of the game. I don't know what to say...

Aye.....the real question is why is mighty NMSU, the *current* face of WAC Basketball, playing lowly Northern NM College (NAIA) and Western NM (D2) in their non-conference schedule. Aye!

If we don't play them we do not get money from the state. It's all politics.

Yes, it is State mandated that NMSU and UNM either play at least two of the lower level New Mexico schools each season or paid them not to play the games. NMSU usually plays one of the lower level NM schools as an exhibition game and the other during the course of the season. Last season, NMSU beat Western NM in a exhibition game 92-46 and beat Northern NM 104-30 during the regular season.

Man, that's impressive.

(05-21-2020 10:07 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 02:13 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 02:03 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 01:53 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(05-21-2020 12:48 PM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  Tarleton was in a league with Eastern and Western NM last year?!?! Aye, yi, yi!!! I just realized that. We beat Western by almost 50 last season and that was with our walk-ons playing the final 8 minutes of the game. I don't know what to say...

Aye.....the real question is why is mighty NMSU, the *current* face of WAC Basketball, playing lowly Northern NM College (NAIA) and Western NM (D2) in their non-conference schedule. Aye!

If we don't play them we do not get money from the state. It's all politics.

Yes, it is State mandated that NMSU and UNM either play at least two of the lower level New Mexico schools each season or paid them not to play the games. NMSU usually plays one of the lower level NM schools as an exhibition game and the other during the course of the season. Last season, NMSU beat Western NM in a exhibition game 92-46 and beat Northern NM 104-30 during the regular season.

Man, that's impressive.

The impressive part is NMSU's defense. It is hard to score more than 70 points against NMSU.

Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

(05-22-2020 10:37 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

The only D2 move up I seen that was immediately competitive was CBU. But CBU is a whole different animal than Tarleton and Dixie. The other ones that might have looked competitive were when we had a few D2 move ups at the same time. They looked competitive because they were playing each other.

As far as beating these guys by 50+, (like we do to the NM schools)I don’t think it would happen unless Jans is proving a point to BCG. 30+ is real feasible though, I mean we beat the second best team in the WAC by 30+.

Cant wait to see how this all shakes out! I do think moving up will be rougher than Tarleton fans are expecting, Texas exceptionalism is a real thing lol, but I'm sure they can be competitive soon enough.

Edit: of course I say that referring to some of the fans on here. All the Tarleton alum (like half my cousins) I know and have talked with just kind of assume they will get beatdown but they dont know how bad some D1 teams are. One of my cousins is actually on the board of directors and he is pretty pessimistic about it all. I had to reassure him it wont be as bad as he thinks.

(05-22-2020 10:57 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:37 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

The only D2 move up I seen that was immediately competitive was CBU. But CBU is a whole different animal than Tarleton and Dixie. The other ones that might have looked competitive were when we had a few D2 move ups at the same time. They looked competitive because they were playing each other.

As far as beating these guys by 50+, (like we do to the NM schools)I don’t think it would happen unless Jans is proving a point to BCG. 30+ is real feasible though, I mean we beat the second best team in the WAC by 30+.

How so?

(05-22-2020 11:38 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:57 AM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 10:37 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

The only D2 move up I seen that was immediately competitive was CBU. But CBU is a whole different animal than Tarleton and Dixie. The other ones that might have looked competitive were when we had a few D2 move ups at the same time. They looked competitive because they were playing each other.

As far as beating these guys by 50+, (like we do to the NM schools)I don’t think it would happen unless Jans is proving a point to BCG. 30+ is real feasible though, I mean we beat the second best team in the WAC by 30+.

How so?

Market, facilities, support, money, success and readiness.

Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

How long were you guys D2 compared to how long CBU was D2 (2010)? Like I said they have all the advantages I listed above compared to you guys. They had a plan to go D1, you guys were called mid year to move up.
They made the elite 8 the year they were moving up. You guys were tied for 7th place in your powerhouse conference they year you moved up.

(05-22-2020 12:19 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

How long were you guys D2 compared to how long CBU was D2 (2010)? Like I said they have all the advantages I listed above compared to you guys. They had a plan to go D1, you guys were called mid year to move up.
They made the elite 8 the year they were moving up. You guys were tied for 7th place in your powerhouse conference they year you moved up.

Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

(05-22-2020 12:22 PM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Sorry, no way to spin it. Tarleton>CBU

There will be a couple of games a year to settle that question. Until then, I'll wait and see.

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

NCAA Tournament Final Four
Division II: 2005, 2015
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
Division II: 2005, 2006, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
Division II: 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2015, 2016
NCAA Tournament Round of 32
Division II: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2015, 2016



CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

What made CBU the "model of success" wasn't what they did in D2 ten years ago but more so what CBU did the three or four years prior in preparation for D1. They hired a D1 assistant coach (Rick Croy) from and very successful D1 program; Saint Mary's. They built a state of the basketball arena. And, before they made the jump to D1, Rick Croy started stockpiling D1 transfer the season prior... Washington State's Milan Acquaah, Fairfield's Ferron Flavors Jr., Nebraska Omaha's Zach Pirog, UC Davis' Mike Henn. CBU's move to the WAC was seamless. They were competitive immediately. And yes, they pulled off a major upset on NMSU in there first D1 season. Keep in mind, that was NMSU's only conference loss that season... and the next time they met in the PAC, NMSU built up a 26 point lead the coasted to a 12 point victory.

(05-22-2020 04:53 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

What made CBU the "model of success" wasn't what they did in D2 ten years ago but more so what CBU did the three or four years prior in preparation for D1. They hired a D1 assistant coach (Rick Croy) from and very successful D1 program; Saint Mary's. They built a state of the basketball arena. And, before they made the jump to D1, Rick Croy started stockpiling D1 transfer the season prior... Washington State's Milan Acquaah, Fairfield's Ferron Flavors Jr., Nebraska Omaha's Zach Pirog, UC Davis' Mike Henn. CBU's move to the WAC was seamless. They were competitive immediately. And yes, they pulled off a major upset on NMSU in there first D1 season. Keep in mind, that was NMSU's only conference loss that season... and the next time they met in the PAC, NMSU built up a 26 point lead the coasted to a 12 point victory.

Again, I'm not talking about Tarleton coming in and sweeping the WAC in their first year. There will be some bumps in the road, but what matters is how quickly you learn and adjust. Pretty sure this is why Tarleton ia scheduling these heavyweights in their first-year D1 non-conference schedule. Wants to toughen 'em up for the future. Also, Billy Clyde was hired at a very unfortunate time; late in the recruiting cycle and then Covid hit full force. No contact, no visits, no trips to mama's house. Give him and his D1/WAC experienced staff a full year of recruiting and coaching up their new young guys then we'll be right there in the mix.

(05-22-2020 12:19 PM)Trod0 Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 11:56 AM)Itinerant Texan Wrote:  Y'all are in for a rude awakening. I'll just keep saying it; Tarleton is no slouch.

Billy Clyde tells us he's gonna win now, not 5 years from now, but now. And I believe him. His coaching abilities with our history of success is a winning combination, at any level.

Seems NMSU fans think CBU is the model for success as a D2 moveup in the WAC. If that's true, I'm loving our chances.

Tarleton Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 14 (2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017)
NCAA Division II Tournament Final Four: 2 (2005, 2015)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 22-14

CBU Basketball All-Time Post-Season:
National Championships: 0
Final Four Appearances: 0
Sweet Sixteen Appearances: 0
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 0
NCAAT Overall Record: 0-0
NIT Championships: 0
NIT Appearances: 0
NIT Overall Record: 0-0
CBI Appearances: 1 (2019)
CBI Overall Record: 0-1
NCAA Division II Tournament Appearances: 5 (2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018)
NCAA Division II Tournament Overall Record: 7-5
NAIA Tournament Appearances: 4 (1976, 2005, 2007, 2008)
NAIA Tournament Overall Record: 3-4

How long were you guys D2 compared to how long CBU was D2 (2010)? Like I said they have all the advantages I listed above compared to you guys. They had a plan to go D1, you guys were called mid year to move up.
They made the elite 8 the year they were moving up. You guys were tied for 7th place in your powerhouse conference they year you moved up.

Mic drop post!!

(05-22-2020 10:37 AM)edinburger Wrote:  

(05-22-2020 08:39 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Tarleton fans are gonna be sad when NMSU beats them by 30....at their place. Puts it into perspective when you realize we are in a conference with basically Eastern New Mexico now. Sad.

Prediction based on past WAC experience with D2 move ups:

(1) Tarleton and Dixie will be immediately competitive with any WAC program except NMSU. Not necessarily a winning record, but they'll be in the game.

(2) NMSU will sweep both of them, but you're not going to be able to whip up on them like Eastern NM and Western NM. And I'm only giving you that because NMSU has smart coaches and players and I assume they learned from the CBU game not to take new teams lightly.

You are pure class edinburger