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RE: Is the ACC in a strong or weak position?
(12-02-2021 05:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I'm still amazed that people will look at a business and only consider the income and never the costs. It costs a **** ton more to fully compete in the B10 and SEC. Those numbers have been run by UNC, NC State, VT and UVa several times over the past 15 years and it has never been anything but a net money loser. Maryland is the poster child for this - they can't get more than 70% capacity in for football and there is no hope on the horizon because they are NEVER going to be able to compete with PSU, OSU, Michigan, and MSU. You can't sustain a normal booster club with perennial 4, 5, 6, and 7 win football seasons. There has to be the occasional 8-9-10 win seasons. You need to be in your conference title chase in November at least once or twice a decade.

Texas and TAMU have infinite before SEC money.
LSU and Bama have an unmatched tradition and support.
Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Auburn all regularly fill 90K plus stadiums.

From a practical standpoint how does South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy, and Kentucky compete? Being paid to lose is very much akin to being a streetwalking prostitute. I guess that would make Ole Miss and MSU the high priced call girls.

Maryland's 2021 conference game attendance:
Iowa: 45,527
Indiana: 32,308
Penn State: 46,924
Michigan: 36,181

Maryland's 2013 conference game attendance (last year in ACC):
Virginia: 41,077
Clemson: 48,134
Syracuse: 37,213
Boston College: 32,147

2012:
Wake Forest: 40,391
NC State: 40,217
Georgia Tech: 33,471
Florida State: 35,244

Has moving to the Big Ten really hurt Maryland's attendance? Were they getting more than 70% capacity when they were in the ACC? Were they winning in the ACC? What difference is them being in the ACC vs. the Big Ten? If Virginia, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, or NC State left for the Big Ten, would they really win less? Instead of losing ACC titles to Clemson they'll lose Big Ten titles to Ohio State. Won't go to Duke's Mayo Bowls? Maryland is going to a bowl this year. Illinois could move to the Big 12 and win more games (or move to the MAC and win a lot more games). But Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and especially Wisconsin wouldn't come to Champaign/Urbana for conference games. Would Baylor, Texas Tech, and Kansas State fill the seats the same? A 6-6 or 7-5 Illinois Big 12 team isn't going to be much more exciting to me. A 9-3 Illinois MAC team? 03-zzz I wouldn't give up the Big Ten to win more games. I don't think there is a Big Ten team that would leave to win more games and I doubt there's an SEC team that would either.
12-02-2021 11:17 PM
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RE: Is the ACC in a strong or weak position?
(12-02-2021 11:17 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(12-02-2021 05:29 PM)Statefan Wrote:  I'm still amazed that people will look at a business and only consider the income and never the costs. It costs a **** ton more to fully compete in the B10 and SEC. Those numbers have been run by UNC, NC State, VT and UVa several times over the past 15 years and it has never been anything but a net money loser. Maryland is the poster child for this - they can't get more than 70% capacity in for football and there is no hope on the horizon because they are NEVER going to be able to compete with PSU, OSU, Michigan, and MSU. You can't sustain a normal booster club with perennial 4, 5, 6, and 7 win football seasons. There has to be the occasional 8-9-10 win seasons. You need to be in your conference title chase in November at least once or twice a decade.

Texas and TAMU have infinite before SEC money.
LSU and Bama have an unmatched tradition and support.
Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Oklahoma, and Auburn all regularly fill 90K plus stadiums.

From a practical standpoint how does South Carolina, Missouri, Vandy, and Kentucky compete? Being paid to lose is very much akin to being a streetwalking prostitute. I guess that would make Ole Miss and MSU the high priced call girls.

Maryland's 2021 conference game attendance:
Iowa: 45,527
Indiana: 32,308
Penn State: 46,924
Michigan: 36,181

Maryland's 2013 conference game attendance (last year in ACC):
Virginia: 41,077
Clemson: 48,134
Syracuse: 37,213
Boston College: 32,147

2012:
Wake Forest: 40,391
NC State: 40,217
Georgia Tech: 33,471
Florida State: 35,244

Has moving to the Big Ten really hurt Maryland's attendance? Were they getting more than 70% capacity when they were in the ACC? Were they winning in the ACC? What difference is them being in the ACC vs. the Big Ten? If Virginia, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, or NC State left for the Big Ten, would they really win less? Instead of losing ACC titles to Clemson they'll lose Big Ten titles to Ohio State. Won't go to Duke's Mayo Bowls? Maryland is going to a bowl this year. Illinois could move to the Big 12 and win more games (or move to the MAC and win a lot more games). But Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and especially Wisconsin wouldn't come to Champaign/Urbana for conference games. Would Baylor, Texas Tech, and Kansas State fill the seats the same? A 6-6 or 7-5 Illinois Big 12 team isn't going to be much more exciting to me. A 9-3 Illinois MAC team? 03-zzz I wouldn't give up the Big Ten to win more games. I don't think there is a Big Ten team that would leave to win more games and I doubt there's an SEC team that would either.

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12-03-2021 12:09 AM
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