(03-30-2020 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You think Pelosi and Schumer want people dead for political reasons? Seriously?

Ab-so-f-ing-lute-ly.

I don't believe they want people dead. I believe that they expect people to doe and they are a number, a statistic. While both parties currently use it, Bill Clinton was the first I recall making significant use of the.... 1,000 people is a statistic, 1 person is a hero/tragedy mantra.... and if that person doesn't exist (people who want to and are eligible to vote, but can't, even with a little help, get an ID to do so) that one person is the proverbial straw man.

I believe these deaths are merely a statistic for people like Pelosi.... and they want a troubling statistic. If it's not troubling, they'll simply frame it in a way that is. 2,000 deaths is a whole lot more frightening than 0.000057% of the population or even 4% of those who died from the flu or 2% of criminal violence this year. A knowingly overstated mortality rate, then extrapolated across the entire population to 'estimate' 500,000 deaths.

Note that when the CDC director said he extrapolated a number to something like 200,000 deaths, he added all sorts of caveats to it... because he knows that would strike fear and it's merely a mathematical computation and not an actual prediction. A politician wouldn't make such a distinction if it worked in their favor not to.

(03-31-2020 08:23 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  You think Pelosi and Schumer want people dead for political reasons? Seriously?

Ab-so-f-ing-lute-ly.

I don't believe they want people dead. I believe that they expect people to doe and they are a number, a statistic. While both parties currently use it, Bill Clinton was the first I recall making significant use of the.... 1,000 people is a statistic, 1 person is a hero/tragedy mantra.... and if that person doesn't exist (people who want to and are eligible to vote, but can't, even with a little help, get an ID to do so) that one person is the proverbial straw man.

I believe these deaths are merely a statistic for people like Pelosi.... and they want a troubling statistic. If it's not troubling, they'll simply frame it in a way that is. 2,000 deaths is a whole lot more frightening than 0.000057% of the population or even 4% of those who died from the flu or 2% of criminal violence this year. A knowingly overstated mortality rate, then extrapolated across the entire population to 'estimate' 500,000 deaths.

Note that when the CDC director said he extrapolated a number to something like 200,000 deaths, he added all sorts of caveats to it... because he knows that would strike fear and it's merely a mathematical computation and not an actual prediction. A politician wouldn't make such a distinction if it worked in their favor not to.

which is XACLY! why % is the most misused comparative in relationship relative to overall importance...

this we easily agree upon....and the dippos are really good at doing that....

(03-31-2020 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody watching today's presser? Pretty impressive. Trump has gathered a lot of titans of industry who are pitching in to make medical supplies, clothing and gear.

And they are rolling with the Hydroxychloraquinine and Z-Paks...

MyPillow?

So you pick the one dude out of the lineup of giant industries who doesn't fit. And he is making 50,000 masks a day, so what's your problem? That he's a Christian, prays, and supports Trump?

None of those are bad things, except the last, in your "independent" mind. Independent, yeah right. Get off my lawn.

It was a joke. Geez.

AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH ******* TIME, I'M INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG TO A PARTY. Is that concept really that hard for you guys to understand?

(03-30-2020 08:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Yep...

(03-31-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody watching today's presser? Pretty impressive. Trump has gathered a lot of titans of industry who are pitching in to make medical supplies, clothing and gear.

And they are rolling with the Hydroxychloraquinine and Z-Paks...

MyPillow?

So you pick the one dude out of the lineup of giant industries who doesn't fit. And he is making 50,000 masks a day, so what's your problem? That he's a Christian, prays, and supports Trump?

None of those are bad things, except the last, in your "independent" mind. Independent, yeah right. Get off my lawn.

It was a joke. Geez.

AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH ******* TIME, I'M INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG TO A PARTY. Is that concept really that hard for you guys to understand?

(03-31-2020 10:43 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Yep...

I guess Fauci is a despicable leftist...

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

I think what Fauci is saying is that it hasn't yet successfully completed the FDA gauntlet. Not the words you seem to be trying to put into his mouth.

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:43 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Yep...

I guess Fauci is a despicable leftist...

Technically he's made donations to both parties and has served under presidents from each side, so maybe he does have some left handed tendencies...

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:43 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Yep...

I guess Fauci is a despicable leftist...

He is looking more and more like a bureaucratic quack the more he opens his mouth.

(03-31-2020 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

I think what Fauci is saying is that it hasn't yet successfully completed the FDA gauntlet. Not the words you seem to be trying to put into his mouth.

That is pretty obvous but didn't meet the intended objective. The left is now figuring out more and more people can acually think for themselves and aren't as easily manipulated.

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:43 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:12 AM)appst89 Wrote:  Right on cue, the leftists are arriving to downplay this possible treatment. They want as many dead Americans as possible. Truly despicable people.

Yep...

I guess Fauci is a despicable leftist...

No, because that doesn't say anything like what you are trying to make it say.

(03-31-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody watching today's presser? Pretty impressive. Trump has gathered a lot of titans of industry who are pitching in to make medical supplies, clothing and gear.

And they are rolling with the Hydroxychloraquinine and Z-Paks...

MyPillow?

So you pick the one dude out of the lineup of giant industries who doesn't fit. And he is making 50,000 masks a day, so what's your problem? That he's a Christian, prays, and supports Trump?

None of those are bad things, except the last, in your "independent" mind. Independent, yeah right. Get off my lawn.

It was a joke. Geez.

AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH ******* TIME, I'M INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG TO A PARTY. Is that concept really that hard for you guys to understand?

It absolutely is when every single stance you take on every single issue is hard left. Independent infers you don't take a party line every time.

If you can find some examples where you took the viewpoint of the right, please feel free to link them.

I get into it with both sides here every day. I've only been here a few weeks, but I have never seen you take other than a left position on anything.

Or maybe you just hate Trump and you'll be anti-Trump for 4 or 8 years and go back to being "independent" when Trump leaves office? Yeah, right.

It doesn't matter if you don't belong to a party if you take one side on every issue, lol.

How hard is that to understand?

(03-31-2020 11:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 04:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Anybody watching today's presser? Pretty impressive. Trump has gathered a lot of titans of industry who are pitching in to make medical supplies, clothing and gear.

And they are rolling with the Hydroxychloraquinine and Z-Paks...

MyPillow?

So you pick the one dude out of the lineup of giant industries who doesn't fit. And he is making 50,000 masks a day, so what's your problem? That he's a Christian, prays, and supports Trump?

None of those are bad things, except the last, in your "independent" mind. Independent, yeah right. Get off my lawn.

It was a joke. Geez.

AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH ******* TIME, I'M INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG TO A PARTY. Is that concept really that hard for you guys to understand?

It absolutely is when every single stance you take on every single issue is hard left. Independent infers you don't take a party line every time.

If you can find some examples where you took the viewpoint of the right, please feel free to link them.

I get into it with both sides here every day. I've only been here a few weeks, but I have never seen you take other than a left position on anything.

Or maybe you just hate Trump and you'll be anti-Trump for 4 or 8 years and go back to being "independent" when Trump leaves office? Yeah, right.

It doesn't matter if you don't belong to a party if you take one side on every issue, lol.

How hard is that to understand?

From wiki...

An independent voter, often also called an unaffiliated voter in the United States, is a voter who does not align themselves with a political party. An independent is variously defined as a voter who votes for candidates on issues rather than on the basis of a political ideology or partisanship; a voter who does not have long-standing loyalty to, or identification with, a political party; a voter who does not usually vote for the same political party from election to election; or a voter who self-describes as an independent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_voter

The only part of that I don't fully align with is the voting part. But I've voted for countless Republicans in state and local elections, and even voted for Snyder for Governor in Michigan. The only office I normally always vote for a Democrat in is president...mainly because there's never been a Republican I could vote for that fit my ideals. And while I voted for Obama twice and for Hillary, I did not vote for Al Gore, and am more than likely not going to vote for Biden, but will rather end up leaving that box blank.

(03-31-2020 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

I think what Fauci is saying is that it hasn't yet successfully completed the FDA gauntlet. Not the words you seem to be trying to put into his mouth.

I don't need to add any words...his comment speaks fine all by itself.

I hope like hell that this treatment works, but there are reasons we don't just start throwing drugs at problems. I think we have years of medicine and research to back up my assumption.

(03-31-2020 12:24 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 11:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 07:32 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  MyPillow?

So you pick the one dude out of the lineup of giant industries who doesn't fit. And he is making 50,000 masks a day, so what's your problem? That he's a Christian, prays, and supports Trump?

None of those are bad things, except the last, in your "independent" mind. Independent, yeah right. Get off my lawn.

It was a joke. Geez.

AND FOR THE ZILLIONTH ******* TIME, I'M INDEPENDENT BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG TO A PARTY. Is that concept really that hard for you guys to understand?

It absolutely is when every single stance you take on every single issue is hard left. Independent infers you don't take a party line every time.

If you can find some examples where you took the viewpoint of the right, please feel free to link them.

I get into it with both sides here every day. I've only been here a few weeks, but I have never seen you take other than a left position on anything.

Or maybe you just hate Trump and you'll be anti-Trump for 4 or 8 years and go back to being "independent" when Trump leaves office? Yeah, right.

It doesn't matter if you don't belong to a party if you take one side on every issue, lol.

How hard is that to understand?

From wiki...

An independent voter, often also called an unaffiliated voter in the United States, is a voter who does not align themselves with a political party. An independent is variously defined as a voter who votes for candidates on issues rather than on the basis of a political ideology or partisanship; a voter who does not have long-standing loyalty to, or identification with, a political party; a voter who does not usually vote for the same political party from election to election; or a voter who self-describes as an independent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_voter

The only part of that I don't fully align with is the voting part. But I've voted for countless Republicans in state and local elections, and even voted for Snyder for Governor in Michigan. The only office I normally always vote for a Democrat in is president...mainly because there's never been a Republican I could vote for that fit my ideals. And while I voted for Obama twice and for Hillary, I did not vote for Al Gore, and am more than likely not going to vote for Biden, but will rather end up leaving that box blank.

So you always vote Dem for President. And always take the Dems' side on every single issue we discuss in here. Hard over, not iffy.

Maybe we should call you an IINO.

(03-31-2020 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

I think what Fauci is saying is that it hasn't yet successfully completed the FDA gauntlet. Not the words you seem to be trying to put into his mouth.

I don't need to add any words...his comment speaks fine all by itself.
I hope like hell that this treatment works, but there are reasons we don't just start throwing drugs at problems. I think we have years of medicine and research to back up my assumption.

His comment speaks for itself, but it doesn't say what you are saying that it says.

How many times does it have to work, over and over, before we decide that maybe it works? It's worked in Australia. It's worked well enough in France that they have already approved it for CV-19. Our problem is that the FDA is remarkably unwilling to take "yes" as an answer.

That kind of prudence is wise when you are talking about a sleeping pill. Not so much when you are in an emergency.

The problem is most people get better regardless. That makes it hard to say a drug is making them get better.

(03-31-2020 01:05 PM)Claw Wrote:  The problem is most people get better regardless. That makes it hard to say a drug is making them get better.

Is that true for the most severe cases? I'm guessing those are the ones that will get the drug.

(03-31-2020 12:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-31-2020 10:50 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

I think what Fauci is saying is that it hasn't yet successfully completed the FDA gauntlet. Not the words you seem to be trying to put into his mouth.

I don't need to add any words...his comment speaks fine all by itself.

I hope like hell that this treatment works, but there are reasons we don't just start throwing drugs at problems. I think we have years of medicine and research to back up my assumption.

Yes, but the FDA has a Fast Track program for a reason. This type of situation is a reason. Rigth To Try also seems to come into play.

(03-30-2020 03:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I'm sure there are a few. One tried to assassinate the entire baseball team. I'm sure there are a few others. But you gave me the impression you meant all Dems. That's what I was taking exception to. It's certainly not the norm.
Then somebody (Owl?) specifically mentioned Pelosi and Schumer. I don't buy it, although nobody can prove or disprove it.

That was I who mentioned it.

I don't think all democrats want that. But I do think their leadership does. I think the way they tried to hold the relief bill hostage last week to get some of their socialist agenda items enacted tells me all I need to know to form that opinion.

That week was disgusting, but it didn't kill anybody. That's where we differ.

Oh?

https://www.wkrn.com/community/health/co...-pandemic/

Quote:According to the Tennessee Suicide Prevention Network, calls for help are on the rise and before Monday’s tallied numbers came out showing 13 total COVID-19 deaths in the state, more people had lost their lives to suicide than COVID-19.

State Representative Jeremy Faison told News 2 Monday that in the past couple of weeks, nine people have died by suicide.

Quote:Jeff Fladen, Executive Director at NAMI Tennessee, said calls are on the rise, though he doesn’t have an exact number because staff are working at home.

“People who have never thought about suicide I’m more worried about… [who have] never called a counseling line, never had treatment,” Fladen said. “I worry more about people in that group and that’s a lot of people​. “Yes, there is an upsurge on calls but I think as time goes by and we lose social support and income and I think we’re just at the tip of the iceberg with that and there’s gonna be more.”​

Grace Eakin from the Tennessee Suicide Prevention Network confirmed to News 2 Monday that calls to crisis hotlines were up. Specifically, she said, calls were up in Davidson County among teens.