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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(03-31-2020 09:41 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:57 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:22 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Gross revenue includes the two biggest sources of income: Student Fees, Financial transfers from the host institution (public schools it's tax money).

Private universities that donate tuition, room, and board are going to make their revenues look much, much higher since their tuition is so expensive.

If so, it only balances unusually high expenses. That's why I wish they didn't include tuition at all -- it's just "funny money" that gets shuffled around but changes nothing!
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That "funny money" pays salaries of professors, dorm maintenance, cooks, staff, office buildings, etc. It's only funny money to the athletic department which doesn't pay for students room and board and actual college classes.

Put another way, it's like saying you live with mom and dad for free and don't have to buy a car. It's just funny money because mom and dad pay it.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(03-26-2020 12:10 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From the Equity in Athletics website

American:

Cincinnati: $53,555,898
ECU: $50,722,801
Houston: $68,285,574
Memphis: $55,494,325
Navy: N/A
SMU: $70,501,474
Temple: $60,004,621
Tulane: $37,101,339
Tulsa: $42,986,622
UCF: $68,359,639
USF: $55,103,914
Wichita St: $28,636,877

Conference USA:

Charlotte: $38,165,424
FAU: $30,885,685
FIU: $31,549,581
Louisiana Tech: $23,218,090
Marshall: $31,987,939
Middle Tennessee: $32,762,435
Old Dominion: $43,996,643
Rice: $41,870,484
UAB: $36,494,380
UNT: $40,758,584
USM: $22,804,589
UTEP: $33,740,768
UTSA: $31,155,038
WKU: $25,997,243

MAC:

Akron: $35,554,930
Ball State: $27,911,651
Bowling Green: $26,001,187
Buffalo: $37,015,023
CMU: $33,642,870
EMU: $28,601,681
Kent State: $29,074,838
Miami(Oh): $38,714,678
NIU: $26,795,495
Ohio: $28,325,005
Toledo: $33,358,750
WMU: $33,664,368

MWC:

Air Force: N/A
Boise St: $42,343,886
Colorado St: $56,081,379
Fresno St: $49,469,530
Hawaii: $45,745,380
Nevada: $43,436,728
New Mexico: $39,982,066
SDSU: $54,402,858
SJSU: $30,583,967
UNLV: $44,245,146
Utah St: $34,564,538
Wyoming: $41,252,831

SunBelt:

Appalachian St: $28,482,163
Arkansas St: $20,708,238
Coastal Carolina: $30,017,956
Ga. Southern: $20,556,842
Georgia St: $38,399,503
Louisiana: $33,840,123
South Alabama: $25,695,217
Texas State: $36,634,363
Troy: $32,704,262
UALR: $13,109,839
ULM: $15,252,816
UTA: $16,977,211

Other Conferences:

Army (Patriot): N/A
BYU (WCC): $72,622,845
Liberty (ASun): $50,593,390
NMSU (WAC): $27,013,637
UMass (A10): $40,000,150

UC's Total Revenue for FY2019 was 68.8 million
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(04-03-2020 03:47 AM)Cattidude Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:10 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  From the Equity in Athletics website

American:

Cincinnati: $53,555,898

UC's Total Revenue for FY2019 was 68.8 million

No the $53m is an accurate ledger sheet for Cincy. The Equity in Athletics is the required federal report and by law has to be accurate.And ledger is the correct term, because much of the "revenue" is in fact subsidy.

USAToday counts differently. Of course $29,238,740 of Cincy's "revenues" were a check written by the school President to the Athletic Department, coming from tuition and State of Ohio money to UC (since it's all in the same pile of general revenue).

Actual revenue was $26,650,264

Ticket Sales: $6,447,711
Donations: $4,509,851
Rights: $15,692,702

One measure of school transfers are Donations. You should have greater donations than school funds to justify them. For Cincy $29.2m in subsidy for $4.5m in donations.

Student Aid was only $9.38m, and some of that was through endowed scholarships (a good chunk of the $5.88m USAToday reports as other sources). Most likely $25m was straight up transfer from the University to pay for Athletic Department salaries and general maintenance.

Understand what revenue means.
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(04-03-2020 04:14 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Student Aid was only $9.38m, and some of that was through endowed scholarships (a good chunk of the $5.88m USAToday reports as other sources). Most likely $25m was straight up transfer from the University to pay for Athletic Department salaries and general maintenance.

Understand what revenue means.

Yes, someone around here used a good analogy, if I am running a business and have $2 million in costs in a year, and revenues from paying customers add up to $1 million, and so I then put $1 million of my own money in to make up the loss and balance the books, that means the business had revenues of $1m that year, not $2m. The business had a $1m operating loss.

So involuntary transfers from students and other parts of the university budget to athletics aren't "revenues" even if certain agencies allow them to be reported as such. You can't have revenue from yourself. That's just moving money from one hand to the other.

In fairness to USA Today, though, when reporting the inflated revenue, they also report the portion of it that came from subsidies and transfers, making it easy for us to subtract that out.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Gross athletic expenditures.

Back in 2010-2014 these numbers mattered for G5 universities trying to position up for the P5. As we speak in April 2020 lower is better because those reliant on bigger money sources are going to take a hit when those dry up.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(04-03-2020 01:18 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Gross athletic expenditures.

Back in 2010-2014 these numbers mattered for G5 universities trying to position up for the P5. As we speak in April 2020 lower is better because those reliant on bigger money sources are going to take a hit when those dry up.

I agree with that. The more bloated you are by funny money the more exposed you appear to be. Though I admit there is just so much uncertainty. E.g., it might be that these bloated state schools that rely on $25m transfers to fund $60m budgets might get some kind of federal or state bailout that makes them whole. Not likely, but we just don't know what is going to happen.

P5 schools that actually make money on athletics will suffer too, but that will be in the sense of not making the big profit they are used to making thanks to coming big cuts in home attendance and media money. Especially P5 that have already prospectively spent some of that expected, and now not to be realized, money.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(04-04-2020 09:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:18 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Gross athletic expenditures.

Back in 2010-2014 these numbers mattered for G5 universities trying to position up for the P5. As we speak in April 2020 lower is better because those reliant on bigger money sources are going to take a hit when those dry up.

I agree with that. The more bloated you are by funny money the more exposed you appear to be. Though I admit there is just so much uncertainty. E.g., it might be that these bloated state schools that rely on $25m transfers to fund $60m budgets might get some kind of federal or state bailout that makes them whole. Not likely, but we just don't know what is going to happen.

P5 schools that actually make money on athletics will suffer too, but that will be in the sense of not making the big profit they are used to making thanks to coming big cuts in home attendance and media money. Especially P5 that have already prospectively spent some of that expected, and now not to be realized, money.

Quo, the issue is other. For the large schools TV revenue, which is increasing, is still no greater, as we speak, than 1/3rd to 1/4th of the total pie. I call that the funny money.

What's going to really hammer all schools is the loss of 30% of the NET worth of their donors due to % of collapse of stocks, and that's only if their industry, like O&G, hasn't been crushed.

The speed with which major donors recover will be the speed with which the schools recover. TV money will be up and running with the sport. Attendance and donations will lag and in some cases significantly.
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RE: 2018-2019 Gross Total Revenue for the G5
(04-04-2020 11:58 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-04-2020 09:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(04-03-2020 01:18 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 06:01 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  These are not revenues. These are offsets to expenses.

Gross athletic expenditures.

Back in 2010-2014 these numbers mattered for G5 universities trying to position up for the P5. As we speak in April 2020 lower is better because those reliant on bigger money sources are going to take a hit when those dry up.

I agree with that. The more bloated you are by funny money the more exposed you appear to be. Though I admit there is just so much uncertainty. E.g., it might be that these bloated state schools that rely on $25m transfers to fund $60m budgets might get some kind of federal or state bailout that makes them whole. Not likely, but we just don't know what is going to happen.

P5 schools that actually make money on athletics will suffer too, but that will be in the sense of not making the big profit they are used to making thanks to coming big cuts in home attendance and media money. Especially P5 that have already prospectively spent some of that expected, and now not to be realized, money.

Quo, the issue is other. For the large schools TV revenue, which is increasing, is still no greater, as we speak, than 1/3rd to 1/4th of the total pie. I call that the funny money.

What's going to really hammer all schools is the loss of 30% of the NET worth of their donors due to % of collapse of stocks, and that's only if their industry, like O&G, hasn't been crushed.

The speed with which major donors recover will be the speed with which the schools recover. TV money will be up and running with the sport. Attendance and donations will lag and in some cases significantly.

I think we're all in uncharted waters to a certain extent. Heck I'm not sure I'm going to be alive in three months, could catch the virus at any time.

I wonder about donors, though. I mean, if you were worth $300 million in January and $200 million in July, does that mean you cancel a $400,000 donation to Alabama football? Did Alabama suffer a big decline in athletic donations in 2008 when the economy sank?

I just don't know.
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