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(03-26-2020 11:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 09:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  My son was tested 8 days ago. Had no problem getting the test. Still waiting on results. Fortunately his symptoms are gone - likely some other bug. Unfortunately, he is still in quarantine until he gets the results.

The media doesn't infect with the virus. But they do sway emotions.

How lucky for your son.

My nephew couldn't get tested for 10 days...even though his two best friends had already tested positive. He was presumed positive, as they say until proven guilty.

Luck has nothing to do with it. He's in the military.

And he's certainly not lucky, because 9 days later, still no results. I think his was one of the tests that were sent to Bethesda that got lost. That was when military testing had to go to a national center. Now they have local testing with 48 hour results.

It was an obsolete system of which its faults are being exposed. That might be the best thing to come out of this. Government bureaucracy forced to be streamlined.

That said, we are still much ahead of most countries. Per capita death rates comparable to Germany and So Korea, who are hailed as the benchmarks.

I'm most curious about Japan. A relatively high mortality rate - which indicates they are lagging in their testing (or reporting of positive cases), but not lagging in their reporting of death stats. But a great per capita death rate. So at first glance their mortality seems bad, but the death per capita is the one that counts. I would say they've cooked the numbers due to the (now cancelled) Olympics. But the death numbers don't appear manipulated. How are they doing so well?
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(03-27-2020 05:45 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:42 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 09:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  My son was tested 8 days ago. Had no problem getting the test. Still waiting on results. Fortunately his symptoms are gone - likely some other bug. Unfortunately, he is still in quarantine until he gets the results.

The media doesn't infect with the virus. But they do sway emotions.

How lucky for your son.

My nephew couldn't get tested for 10 days...even though his two best friends had already tested positive. He was presumed positive, as they say until proven guilty.

Luck has nothing to do with it. He's in the military.

And he's certainly not lucky, because 9 days later, still no results. I think his was one of the tests that were sent to Bethesda that got lost. That was when military testing had to go to a national center. Now they have local testing with 48 hour results.

It was an obsolete system of which its faults are being exposed. That might be the best thing to come out of this. Government bureaucracy forced to be streamlined.

That said, we are still much ahead of most countries. Per capita death rates comparable to Germany and So Korea, who are hailed as the benchmarks.

I'm most curious about Japan. A relatively high mortality rate - which indicates they are lagging in their testing (or reporting of positive cases), but not lagging in their reporting of death stats. But a great per capita death rate. So at first glance their mortality seems bad, but the death per capita is the one that counts. I would say they've cooked the numbers due to the (now cancelled) Olympics. But the death numbers don't appear manipulated. How are they doing so well?

We have all worked for companies that refused to let us work remotely. The excuse, which doesn't make sense was that they didn't think you could work as productively. That's a dumb way to think; just fire people if they goof off.

I think one of the best things to come out of this is that companies are going to let a bunch of people just stay home to work. I've been working remotely for 3 years and it's amazing. You save a lot of time not having to commute in traffic, gas, wear and tear on the vehicle, and aside from the physical time in the car or mass transit, you can get up 1 minute before starting work and be home 1 second after.

It's also great to be able to cook decent meals for lunch instead of wasting $20 on something mediocre or making a lunch.
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Quote:A week into the city’s declaration of a civil emergency, the Shelby County Health Department announced Friday, March 27, that 2,218 people have been tested for COVID-19 within the county since the public health crisis began.

With 228 confirmed cases in Shelby County as of Friday morning, the total number of those tested — positive and negative — would come to a 10% positivity rate. That’s assuming the number of those tested does not include test results that are pending, which would make the percentage lower.
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Like Dr. Fauci said... the media is doing everything they can to cause a split between him and Trump and it is not working.

Of course they will continue lying and twisting and taking things out of context, but that doesnt change the truth.
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(03-28-2020 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Like Dr. Fauci said... the media is doing everything they can to cause a split between him and Trump and it is not working.

Of course they will continue lying and twisting and taking things out of context, but that doesnt change the truth.

This is a look at both sides in a nutshell.

The Left.
Trump As Mayor In Jaws

The truth.
Trump As Seen By Dr. Fauci

It shouldn't be shocking after almost 4 years, but it still is.

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In all fairness, I should have also pointed out, that IF you only watch Fox News or only get your news from the right, or you were bombarded with the media saying that Trump was insisting that everything should be open by Easter, you might decide on Easter that you don't have to self isolate or practice social distancing, or everyone has to go back to the office.
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You just can't help yourself, can you?
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(03-27-2020 01:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 12:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 11:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.

I think that's what will transpire.....maybe even more granular, like county by county

I'll give Trump credit for always questioning the status quo and continuing to try and find a solution instead of just accepting what he is being told.

The question now is it worth the risk...There is no reset button with this one.

Delaware, North Carolina, Arkansas, Montana, Alaska, Utah, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, West Virginia, Wyoming, Maine, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, DC.

17 states plus DC all with 3 or less deaths, some with zero, and very few new cases, accounting for around 50 million population give or take. What do you do? You wait to stomp it out completely, but when does that happen? Also, let's say you have a company with 500 employees. One person gets it, the entire company goes into quarantine for 14 days. Off quarantine, then 3 days later someone else gets it and you start the clock on the 14 days all over again for everyone.

North Carolina has a population of 10.5 million, 829 total cases and 2 deaths. Of course you wait, but how long? New York State will hit 50,000 total cases by the end of the day or early morning. Heartbreaking.

You don't understand what you're talking about. The numbers are low in a lot of places because the states aren't or can't test, or because they're a week or two behind the curve.

3 weeks ago there were 1000 cases, 2 weeks ago 5000 cases, now there are >100,000 cases. this thing is exponential on a 4-5 day basis.

Everywhere looks like Spain or Italy if you don't do any social distancing and don't shut things down.

They are terminally extubating people over 65 in Italy and Spain to let them die so they can give their ventilator to somebody else. That sh!t WILL happen here if we don't stop it. It may happen in New York anyway. This is something nobody alive has ever dealt with.
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(03-28-2020 02:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 01:20 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 12:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 11:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.

I think that's what will transpire.....maybe even more granular, like county by county

I'll give Trump credit for always questioning the status quo and continuing to try and find a solution instead of just accepting what he is being told.

The question now is it worth the risk...There is no reset button with this one.

Delaware, North Carolina, Arkansas, Montana, Alaska, Utah, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, West Virginia, Wyoming, Maine, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, DC.

17 states plus DC all with 3 or less deaths, some with zero, and very few new cases, accounting for around 50 million population give or take. What do you do? You wait to stomp it out completely, but when does that happen? Also, let's say you have a company with 500 employees. One person gets it, the entire company goes into quarantine for 14 days. Off quarantine, then 3 days later someone else gets it and you start the clock on the 14 days all over again for everyone.

North Carolina has a population of 10.5 million, 829 total cases and 2 deaths. Of course you wait, but how long? New York State will hit 50,000 total cases by the end of the day or early morning. Heartbreaking.

You don't understand what you're talking about. The numbers are low in a lot of places because the states aren't or can't test, or because they're a week or two behind the curve.

3 weeks ago there were 1000 cases, 2 weeks ago 5000 cases, now there are >100,000 cases. this thing is exponential on a 4-5 day basis.

Everywhere looks like Spain or Italy if you don't do any social distancing and don't shut things down.

They are terminally extubating people over 65 in Italy and Spain to let them die so they can give their ventilator to somebody else. That sh!t WILL happen here if we don't stop it. It may happen in New York anyway. This is something nobody alive has ever dealt with.

It might, it might not. The only indicator that we can be reasonably sure of here is the number of deaths, except for China, Iran and Germany; who are for sure fudging the numbers.

The truth is, when you look at the actual number of deaths, that the virus has been controlled spectacularly well so far everywhere except New York and New Jersey. Whether or not the same conclusion can be drawn next week, in 2 weeks, 3 weeks, a month from now and moving forward hasn't been decided.
Quote:Everywhere looks like Spain or Italy if you don't do any social distancing and don't shut things down.
Debatable, but you are probably right. In the end, it doesn't matter if you are right or not or the odds of you being right are 99%. You have to keep everything to shut down because the alternative IS Italy or Spain if you are wrong.

Again, as Dr. Fauci said, the data determines the timeline. The data changes, and even Dr. Fauci has said that some parts of the country will be up and running before others.
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(03-28-2020 02:29 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  You just can't help yourself, can you?

Just like I couldn't help myself in other places, when Trump idiotically said that being president has cost him billions. I am an equal opportunity hater, I hate everyone in politics.

Many are upset at Trump for calling it the Chinese virus, but not upset at the Chinese government.

Much of the country that is going to be financially devastated, hasn't said anything critical of the Chinese government or demanded reparations. Why?

The Chinese Government (NOT Chinese people)
- Hid the truth
- Told scientists to lie and jailed those that didn't
- Destroyed the initial samples (is there any other reason to do this other than not wanting someone to create a vaccine?)
- Allowed wet markets to continue
- Told the WHO that the virus couldn't be passed from humans to other humans
- When they were fully aware that they had a major problem, they still allowed their citizens to leave the country and fly all over the world
- For New Year's allowed Wuhan, a city of 11 million to have mass celebrations
- Initiated a propaganda campaign suggesting the source was the US military
- Delayed the release of data
- Said no to US scientists who offered help
- Threatened to withhold drugs and supplies to the US

IF I posted something critical of Trump, would you have been upset? Also, my post was a response to another poster who made the comment.

The mods can decide if I broke the rules or the spirit of the rules in this post.
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some items from the cares act

Inclusion of Certain Over-the-Counter Medical Products as Qualified Medical Expenses

Menstrual care products are now included under the term “qualified medical expenses.”

Establishes a new FDA user fee to allow the agency to hire additional staff members to ensure there is adequate agency oversight to approve changes to OTC drugs.

Businesses that receive loans or loan guarantees through these Federal Reserve programs can only make loans (or other advances) to business that are created or organized and have the majority of their employees based in the United States. Transfers to subsidiaries and affiliates incorporated outside the United States are prohibited.

Suspension of Certain Aviation Excise Taxes
The Act suspends the imposition of aviation excise taxes as otherwise required under the Internal Revenue Code through December 31, 2020.

Conflicts of Interest
Any company in which the President, Vice President, an Executive Department head, Member of Congress, or any of such individual’s spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law own over 20% of the outstanding voting stock shall not be eligible for loans, loan guarantees, or other investments provided under this Title.

Cares Act Analysis
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(03-28-2020 05:28 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  some items from the cares act

Inclusion of Certain Over-the-Counter Medical Products as Qualified Medical Expenses

Menstrual care products are now included under the term “qualified medical expenses.”

Establishes a new FDA user fee to allow the agency to hire additional staff members to ensure there is adequate agency oversight to approve changes to OTC drugs.

Businesses that receive loans or loan guarantees through these Federal Reserve programs can only make loans (or other advances) to business that are created or organized and have the majority of their employees based in the United States. Transfers to subsidiaries and affiliates incorporated outside the United States are prohibited.

Suspension of Certain Aviation Excise Taxes
The Act suspends the imposition of aviation excise taxes as otherwise required under the Internal Revenue Code through December 31, 2020.

Conflicts of Interest
Any company in which the President, Vice President, an Executive Department head, Member of Congress, or any of such individual’s spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law own over 20% of the outstanding voting stock shall not be eligible for loans, loan guarantees, or other investments provided under this Title.

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Should have made that more like 5% of the outstanding voting stock. Probably several members of congress or senators who own 5 percent of companies who may be applying for a bailout.
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(03-28-2020 09:26 PM)presskh Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 05:28 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  some items from the cares act

Inclusion of Certain Over-the-Counter Medical Products as Qualified Medical Expenses

Menstrual care products are now included under the term “qualified medical expenses.”

Establishes a new FDA user fee to allow the agency to hire additional staff members to ensure there is adequate agency oversight to approve changes to OTC drugs.

Businesses that receive loans or loan guarantees through these Federal Reserve programs can only make loans (or other advances) to business that are created or organized and have the majority of their employees based in the United States. Transfers to subsidiaries and affiliates incorporated outside the United States are prohibited.

Suspension of Certain Aviation Excise Taxes
The Act suspends the imposition of aviation excise taxes as otherwise required under the Internal Revenue Code through December 31, 2020.

Conflicts of Interest
Any company in which the President, Vice President, an Executive Department head, Member of Congress, or any of such individual’s spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law own over 20% of the outstanding voting stock shall not be eligible for loans, loan guarantees, or other investments provided under this Title.

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Should have made that more like 5% of the outstanding voting stock. Probably several members of congress or senators who own 5 percent of companies who may be applying for a bailout.

I have no doubt that 20% was strategically chosen.

wouldn't surprise me if the delay in passing this was so folks could get their affairs below that number.
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(03-29-2020 12:11 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Sure makes a person wonder where all these governors are and why they are not ordering what they need for their states. Trump has already said numerous times to order it and the feds would reimburse them...


I guess it is easier to sit on their asses and cry about no one hand delivering to them and doing their jobs for them.

Friend works at a place that makes respirators and they said they have 10s of thousands of respirators and no one is ordering them.
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(03-29-2020 12:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:11 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Sure makes a person wonder where all these governors are and why they are not ordering what they need for their states. Trump has already said numerous times to order it and the feds would reimburse them...


I guess it is easier to sit on their asses and cry about no one hand delivering to them and doing their jobs for them.

Friend works at a place that makes respirators and they said they have 10s of thousands of respirators and no one is ordering them.

10s of thousands of respirators just sitting there with no pending orders...Sounds sketchy

I aint no expert but I don't know of any business that would tie that much cash up in inventory without any orders.
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(03-29-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:11 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Sure makes a person wonder where all these governors are and why they are not ordering what they need for their states. Trump has already said numerous times to order it and the feds would reimburse them...


I guess it is easier to sit on their asses and cry about no one hand delivering to them and doing their jobs for them.

Friend works at a place that makes respirators and they said they have 10s of thousands of respirators and no one is ordering them.

10s of thousands of respirators just sitting there with no pending orders...Sounds sketchy

I aint no expert but I don't know of any business that would tie that much cash up in inventory without any orders.

Ok, feel free to check it out tomorrow. The company is Helen of Troy. Give them a call and inquire about making a purchase. I am sure they will appreciate your business.
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(03-29-2020 02:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:11 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Sure makes a person wonder where all these governors are and why they are not ordering what they need for their states. Trump has already said numerous times to order it and the feds would reimburse them...


I guess it is easier to sit on their asses and cry about no one hand delivering to them and doing their jobs for them.

Friend works at a place that makes respirators and they said they have 10s of thousands of respirators and no one is ordering them.

10s of thousands of respirators just sitting there with no pending orders...Sounds sketchy

I aint no expert but I don't know of any business that would tie that much cash up in inventory without any orders.

Ok, feel free to check it out tomorrow. The company is Helen of Troy. Give them a call and inquire about making a purchase. I am sure they will appreciate your business.

The company is headquartered in Hamilton, Bermuda,
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(03-29-2020 02:08 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:35 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 12:11 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

Sure makes a person wonder where all these governors are and why they are not ordering what they need for their states. Trump has already said numerous times to order it and the feds would reimburse them...


I guess it is easier to sit on their asses and cry about no one hand delivering to them and doing their jobs for them.

Friend works at a place that makes respirators and they said they have 10s of thousands of respirators and no one is ordering them.

10s of thousands of respirators just sitting there with no pending orders...Sounds sketchy

I aint no expert but I don't know of any business that would tie that much cash up in inventory without any orders.

Ok, feel free to check it out tomorrow. The company is Helen of Troy. Give them a call and inquire about making a purchase. I am sure they will appreciate your business.

1 vs 10's of thousands are two entirely different things...

Honestly it makes no sense...
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