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(03-26-2020 04:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I was just reading some stuff on why Germany seems to be handing it so well and according to what I have been reading...

1. Germany is listing any deaths over the age of 75 as natural causes.
2. If someone dies because their heart stops with coronavirus, they list is as heart failure.


so, according to what I was reading, that is a couple of reasons why their mortality rate is so vastly different from everyone elses.

Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. Italy has quit testing, so their mortality rate is skyrocketing. China has shutout the media and is cooking their numbers. Russia is playing games, with the numbers. Iran - who know what they're doing with their numbers.

Eliminate the testing data - which has too much global variability. Death rate per capita is important. We remain at one of the best levels for countries with a lot of cases. We are comparable to So Korea and Germany - even with their definition nuance.
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(03-26-2020 09:10 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  I have family members in Tupelo . My father was raised in Ingamar Mississippi right outside New Albany . My grandparents are buried there. My first cousin lives nearby. He is a musician who was formerly a medic in Vietnam. I lived in Mississippi for weeks during the Summer. Does my family’s agenda count?

Not picking a fight. No reason for it. I grew up 5 minutes north of Corinth. Used to cruize the strip. Worked in Tupelo for a while. Know hundreds of people in that part of north Missippy.

You said everyone has an agenda, and I'm just pointing out that Maddow has undeniably the strongest agenda out there. Everything she says leads to one common denominator. Simply not a reliable source on Tupelo or frankly any news. I can absolutely tell you more about the status of Tupelo. In fact, I know the editor of one of the daily newspapers in that area.

Honest. Don't want to fight about the status of southern towns. Just hate misrepresentation by media.
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I don’t care about the media— any media . the stats and connections with my family / friends is more important, as I watch law and order reruns. Lol

And my nephew 28 years old has the virus in Florida . The media did not infect him .
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My son was tested 8 days ago. Had no problem getting the test. Still waiting on results. Fortunately his symptoms are gone - likely some other bug. Unfortunately, he is still in quarantine until he gets the results.

The media doesn't infect with the virus. But they do sway emotions.
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My grandparents lived in New Albany, spent many summers there.

Never heard of Ingamar.
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(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:46 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's meant to support the 'go back to work now' idea, though.

I saw where The Mayor of Tupelo Mississippi ordered everyone to work from home and got unanimous approval from his city council, but the Gov of Miss said get yo asses back to work. I'm in charge here.

That's wild stuff. Governor vs Mayor.

i’d be telling that governor to go piss up a rope.

All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.

EDIT:
Found it! 90 minutes of searching the entire internet and only one measly quote to back it up. I should have started there in the first place.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

There are dozens of sources where the governor explicitly says that the state isn't going to be run like a dictatorship like China; which directly contradicts Maddow, and he calls her statement "a dangerous lie."

Google Sources For Governor Saying Mississippi Would NOT Be Run Like a Dictatorship:
Axios
USNews.com
Business Insider
MSNBC (not Maddow)
Fox News
CNN
Clarion Ledger
Washington Post
Dozens of others

What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

This is obviously a major difference from the governor telling everyone that they had to go to their place of employment to work and his orders superseded everyone else's. In my opinion Maddow was either misinformed or lying. Of course, people are free to believe what they want and draw their own conclusions.

One last thing on this just in case anyone thinks I am taking one side because of political leanings. I think Reeves is an idiot for not ordering everyone to stay home.

As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Part of the problem is the agenda, but the bigger problem that we saw here, is the blind acceptance of a statement that isn't in the least bit factual. Trump said stuff last week and Fauci immediately refuted it. Whenever I see something that I find interesting on either side, I immediately do a search for it. IF only one source is reporting it, it is not true 99% of the time.

So again, in the interests of neutrality, I would be inclined to dismiss outright or at least be highly suspicious of anything that Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon, Jake Tapper, Sean Hannity, or Jeanine Pirro say. They are all disgusting. I do hold my nose and watch all of them though, because each reports stuff that the other side doesn't.

The main thing in all this for each of us to do our part to rid ourselves of this horrible virus. The only real truth that we know for sure is that if everyone does what they are supposed to, we will come out of this a lot quicker than if they don't.
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(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:46 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's meant to support the 'go back to work now' idea, though.

I saw where The Mayor of Tupelo Mississippi ordered everyone to work from home and got unanimous approval from his city council, but the Gov of Miss said get yo asses back to work. I'm in charge here.

That's wild stuff. Governor vs Mayor.

i’d be telling that governor to go piss up a rope.

All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.

EDIT:
Found it! 90 minutes of searching the entire internet and only one measly quote to back it up. I should have started there in the first place.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

There are dozens of sources where the governor explicitly says that the state isn't going to be run like a dictatorship like China; which directly contradicts Maddow, and he calls her statement "a dangerous lie."

Google Sources For Governor Saying Mississippi Would NOT Be Run Like a Dictatorship:
Axios
USNews.com
Business Insider
MSNBC (not Maddow)
Fox News
CNN
Clarion Ledger
Washington Post
Dozens of others

What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

This is obviously a major difference from the governor telling everyone that they had to go to their place of employment to work and his orders superseded everyone else's. In my opinion Maddow was either misinformed or lying. Of course, people are free to believe what they want and draw their own conclusions.

One last thing on this just in case anyone thinks I am taking one side because of political leanings. I think Reeves is an idiot for not ordering everyone to stay home.

As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...

Quote:“We’d read the governor’s order and believed from our first reading that it would supersede the resolutions we had in place,” Oxford Mayor Robyn Tannehill said in the meeting. “We felt that ours would not be able to stay in place based on the language in the order. But I just got off the phone with the governor, and we’ve come to the conclusion that all our resolutions can stay in place.”

So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.
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(03-26-2020 09:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 04:02 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I was just reading some stuff on why Germany seems to be handing it so well and according to what I have been reading...

1. Germany is listing any deaths over the age of 75 as natural causes.
2. If someone dies because their heart stops with coronavirus, they list is as heart failure.


so, according to what I was reading, that is a couple of reasons why their mortality rate is so vastly different from everyone elses.

Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. Italy has quit testing, so their mortality rate is skyrocketing. China has shutout the media and is cooking their numbers. Russia is playing games, with the numbers. Iran - who know what they're doing with their numbers.

Eliminate the testing data - which has too much global variability. Death rate per capita is important. We remain at one of the best levels for countries with a lot of cases. We are comparable to So Korea and Germany - even with their definition nuance.

The only number that matters. For sure, Iran, China and Germany are manipulating theirs; but the US and Canada for sure aren't. So unless that number skyrockets dramatically, I'm going to continue to think that we are doing a great job. To put that number into perspective; Canada, which has been possibly the most negligent of any country I can think of; has a per capita rate of 1 per million. The US is at 4.

From a pure numbers standpoint, throwing out the high and low numbers, a lot of countries seem to be in the 15-25 range. For that to happen in the US, that range would be roughly 5,000 - 8,000. That is where Iran, France, Switzerland, Belgium and the Netherlands are at.

The real trouble is if we hit numbers like Italy and Spain. Once you get around the 100 range it goes to 30,000 - 40,000. Italy is the worst country right now at 136 deaths per million. To put things in perspective, for 100,000 to die in the US; the rate would be 303 per million. I just don't see how the US will end up with a rate per million that is 2.2X worse than Italy's.

To put the number into further perspective; if you take New York and New Jersey out of the equation; the number goes down from 4 per million to 2.2 per million; lower than 35 or so countries.

I would think that the move is to throw EVERYTHING at New York, and New Jersey and the other 10 biggest cities in the country, along with Louisiana. You don't completely neglect everyone else, but you do everything you can to deal with the most dense populations to prevent the worst spread.

We aren't scientists. We can think one thing and be way off; we don't know how this will end and I don't think the scientists do either. The bottom line for me is that instead of placing blame in anyone and looking at horrible scenarios where hundreds of thousands of Americans and Canadians die; I would much rather look at how great the numbers are right now; feel encouraged that most people are now fully engaged in doing their part to defeat the virus, and to hope for the best.
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(03-26-2020 10:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:46 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's meant to support the 'go back to work now' idea, though.

I saw where The Mayor of Tupelo Mississippi ordered everyone to work from home and got unanimous approval from his city council, but the Gov of Miss said get yo asses back to work. I'm in charge here.

That's wild stuff. Governor vs Mayor.

i’d be telling that governor to go piss up a rope.

All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.

EDIT:
Found it! 90 minutes of searching the entire internet and only one measly quote to back it up. I should have started there in the first place.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

There are dozens of sources where the governor explicitly says that the state isn't going to be run like a dictatorship like China; which directly contradicts Maddow, and he calls her statement "a dangerous lie."

Google Sources For Governor Saying Mississippi Would NOT Be Run Like a Dictatorship:
Axios
USNews.com
Business Insider
MSNBC (not Maddow)
Fox News
CNN
Clarion Ledger
Washington Post
Dozens of others

What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

This is obviously a major difference from the governor telling everyone that they had to go to their place of employment to work and his orders superseded everyone else's. In my opinion Maddow was either misinformed or lying. Of course, people are free to believe what they want and draw their own conclusions.

One last thing on this just in case anyone thinks I am taking one side because of political leanings. I think Reeves is an idiot for not ordering everyone to stay home.

As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...

Quote:“We’d read the governor’s order and believed from our first reading that it would supersede the resolutions we had in place,” Oxford Mayor Robyn Tannehill said in the meeting. “We felt that ours would not be able to stay in place based on the language in the order. But I just got off the phone with the governor, and we’ve come to the conclusion that all our resolutions can stay in place.”

So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.
Quote:All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.
Quote:What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.

Quote:Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.

Quote:For example, the governor’s order limits gatherings in public or private places to no more than 10 people, but allows restaurants to keep dining rooms open as long as fewer than 10 people are inside at once. Many cities and counties had previously required restaurants to close their dining rooms completely.

AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.
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(03-26-2020 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:46 PM)tiger-viper Wrote:  i’d be telling that governor to go piss up a rope.

All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.

EDIT:
Found it! 90 minutes of searching the entire internet and only one measly quote to back it up. I should have started there in the first place.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

There are dozens of sources where the governor explicitly says that the state isn't going to be run like a dictatorship like China; which directly contradicts Maddow, and he calls her statement "a dangerous lie."

Google Sources For Governor Saying Mississippi Would NOT Be Run Like a Dictatorship:
Axios
USNews.com
Business Insider
MSNBC (not Maddow)
Fox News
CNN
Clarion Ledger
Washington Post
Dozens of others

What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

This is obviously a major difference from the governor telling everyone that they had to go to their place of employment to work and his orders superseded everyone else's. In my opinion Maddow was either misinformed or lying. Of course, people are free to believe what they want and draw their own conclusions.

One last thing on this just in case anyone thinks I am taking one side because of political leanings. I think Reeves is an idiot for not ordering everyone to stay home.

As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...

Quote:“We’d read the governor’s order and believed from our first reading that it would supersede the resolutions we had in place,” Oxford Mayor Robyn Tannehill said in the meeting. “We felt that ours would not be able to stay in place based on the language in the order. But I just got off the phone with the governor, and we’ve come to the conclusion that all our resolutions can stay in place.”

So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.
Quote:All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.
Quote:What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.

Quote:Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.

Quote:For example, the governor’s order limits gatherings in public or private places to no more than 10 people, but allows restaurants to keep dining rooms open as long as fewer than 10 people are inside at once. Many cities and counties had previously required restaurants to close their dining rooms completely.

AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.

I am referring to the quote you posted of what Maddow said...Not what Snow said. I don't see her saying anything about getting their asses back to work in the quote you posted. Now if she said that on air...Hell I have no idea...I don't watch that propoganda

Based on your quote she is reporting the same thing the mayors told her that they thought the Governors order superseded theirs which matches.
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(03-26-2020 10:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:09 PM)Stammers Wrote:  All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.

EDIT:
Found it! 90 minutes of searching the entire internet and only one measly quote to back it up. I should have started there in the first place.


There are dozens of sources where the governor explicitly says that the state isn't going to be run like a dictatorship like China; which directly contradicts Maddow, and he calls her statement "a dangerous lie."

Google Sources For Governor Saying Mississippi Would NOT Be Run Like a Dictatorship:
Axios
USNews.com
Business Insider
MSNBC (not Maddow)
Fox News
CNN
Clarion Ledger
Washington Post
Dozens of others

What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

This is obviously a major difference from the governor telling everyone that they had to go to their place of employment to work and his orders superseded everyone else's. In my opinion Maddow was either misinformed or lying. Of course, people are free to believe what they want and draw their own conclusions.

One last thing on this just in case anyone thinks I am taking one side because of political leanings. I think Reeves is an idiot for not ordering everyone to stay home.

As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...

Quote:“We’d read the governor’s order and believed from our first reading that it would supersede the resolutions we had in place,” Oxford Mayor Robyn Tannehill said in the meeting. “We felt that ours would not be able to stay in place based on the language in the order. But I just got off the phone with the governor, and we’ve come to the conclusion that all our resolutions can stay in place.”

So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.
Quote:All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.
Quote:What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.

Quote:Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.

Quote:For example, the governor’s order limits gatherings in public or private places to no more than 10 people, but allows restaurants to keep dining rooms open as long as fewer than 10 people are inside at once. Many cities and counties had previously required restaurants to close their dining rooms completely.

AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.

I am referring to the quote you posted of what Maddow said...Not what Snow said. I don't see her saying anything about getting their asses back to work in the quote you posted. Now if she said that on air...Hell I have no idea...I don't watch that propoganda

Based on your quote she is reporting the same thing the mayors told her that they thought the Governors order superseded theirs which matches.

I directly quoted what Maddow said and I just watched a video on MSNBC where the mayor thought that his orders superseded what Tupelo wanted to do; BUT less than a minute later he says that there wasn't uniformity within the state. So yes, you are correct about some mayors thinking that they had to keep businesses open, BUT nowhere was the governor ordering everyone to physically go back to work. He for sure wasn't "unconcerned" about the virus as Maddow also stated.
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(03-26-2020 11:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:49 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  As she said, everyone has their own agenda.

Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...

Quote:“We’d read the governor’s order and believed from our first reading that it would supersede the resolutions we had in place,” Oxford Mayor Robyn Tannehill said in the meeting. “We felt that ours would not be able to stay in place based on the language in the order. But I just got off the phone with the governor, and we’ve come to the conclusion that all our resolutions can stay in place.”

So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.
Quote:All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.
Quote:What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.

Quote:Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.

Quote:For example, the governor’s order limits gatherings in public or private places to no more than 10 people, but allows restaurants to keep dining rooms open as long as fewer than 10 people are inside at once. Many cities and counties had previously required restaurants to close their dining rooms completely.

AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.

I am referring to the quote you posted of what Maddow said...Not what Snow said. I don't see her saying anything about getting their asses back to work in the quote you posted. Now if she said that on air...Hell I have no idea...I don't watch that propoganda

Based on your quote she is reporting the same thing the mayors told her that they thought the Governors order superseded theirs which matches.

I directly quoted what Maddow said and I just watched a video on MSNBC where the mayor thought that his orders superseded what Tupelo wanted to do; BUT less than a minute later he says that there wasn't uniformity within the state. So yes, you are correct about some mayors thinking that they had to keep businesses open, BUT nowhere was the governor ordering everyone to physically go back to work. He for sure wasn't "unconcerned" about the virus as Maddow also stated.

Hey you likely have more information than I do concerning this and I definitely aint going to watch her show.

But does Maddow say that workers must go back to work or was that Snows interpretation.
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(03-26-2020 11:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:06 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Seems Mayors in the state were confused by the order as well...


So no it wasn't Maddow just trying to politicize...His order actually caused confusion amongst the cities Mayors and she possibly got her story from them...Oh the horror she likely was reporting information given to her by the local officials...

Now she does have an agenda and pushes stories that fit her agenda to a fault...But this appears she just reported this before Mississippi was able to get their sh1t straight.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/03/25/...al-orders/

FYI.. that is the first article that comes up if you search for tupelo ms coronavirus...

Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.
Quote:All I have seen so far is the governor saying that the state wouldn't be run like a dictatorship, and encouraging everyone to work from home. I haven't seen a quote from him telling everyone to physically go back to their place of employment.

The sticking point it seems, is that he seems to be including virtually every business as an essential service.
Quote:What Reeves said was that he encouraged people to work from home, was not ordering businesses to shut down, and was NOT overriding anyone in any town or city. Cities and towns in Mississippi including Tupelo have set their own guidelines without interference from the governor and without incident.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.

Quote:Amazing how this article wasn't found in the thorough searching that was done previously.

Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.

Quote:Rachel Maddow
“So take, for example, the beautiful city of Tupelo, Mississippi,” said Maddow. “Birthplace of Elvis Presley, right? World famous. On Saturday, the mayor of Tupelo, Mississippi, ordered a stay-at-home order for that city. He banned gatherings of more than ten people. He ordered nonessential businesses to shut in Tupelo … yesterday, the city council in Tupelo met and in a unanimous bipartisan vote, they voted to affirm and ratify those rules that the mayor put in place in Tupelo. But today, the governor of Mississippi superseded that. Today, the governor of Mississippi said Tupelo and any other city or town in the state can’t do anything like that. Only his rules apply.”

This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.

Quote:For example, the governor’s order limits gatherings in public or private places to no more than 10 people, but allows restaurants to keep dining rooms open as long as fewer than 10 people are inside at once. Many cities and counties had previously required restaurants to close their dining rooms completely.

AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.

I am referring to the quote you posted of what Maddow said...Not what Snow said. I don't see her saying anything about getting their asses back to work in the quote you posted. Now if she said that on air...Hell I have no idea...I don't watch that propoganda

Based on your quote she is reporting the same thing the mayors told her that they thought the Governors order superseded theirs which matches.

I directly quoted what Maddow said and I just watched a video on MSNBC where the mayor thought that his orders superseded what Tupelo wanted to do; BUT less than a minute later he says that there wasn't uniformity within the state. So yes, you are correct about some mayors thinking that they had to keep businesses open, BUT nowhere was the governor ordering everyone to physically go back to work. He for sure wasn't "unconcerned" about the virus as Maddow also stated.

Hey you likely have more information than I do concerning this and I definitely aint going to watch her show.

But does Maddow say that workers must go back to work or was that Snows interpretation.

If I'm right I'm right and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Tupelo definitely feels correctly that the statewide order overrides the city's so you are 100% right and I am wrong. The major difference is that the governor considers almost everything as essential (as I noted), whereas Tupelo considers very few sectors as essential. So technically, both the governor and the city of Tupelo ordered non essential businesses to close, so she is wrong about that. But under Tupelo's definition, a much higher percentage of businesses would have been considered non essential and would be forced to close.

So in a nutshell, Maddow was correct about the governor superseding each city's rules or guidelines. The governor banned gatherings of more than 10 people, so she was not correct about that, and the governor was encouraging (but not forcing) everyone to work from home. He was definitely not forcing anyone to go to their physical workplace, so she is wrong about that.

And he is officially an idiot for loosening the restrictions.
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(03-26-2020 09:51 PM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  My grandparents lived in New Albany, spent many summers there.

Never heard of Ingamar.

welp that's cause I misspelled it. I remember a country store, a nursery and a cemetery with a little one room school....There were also many sharecropper cabins and a big Indian Mound. Very cool.

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We went into 'town' (New Albany) to shop riding in the back of grandaddy's pickup. lol
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(03-26-2020 09:50 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  My son was tested 8 days ago. Had no problem getting the test. Still waiting on results. Fortunately his symptoms are gone - likely some other bug. Unfortunately, he is still in quarantine until he gets the results.

The media doesn't infect with the virus. But they do sway emotions.

How lucky for your son.

My nephew couldn't get tested for 10 days...even though his two best friends had already tested positive. He was presumed positive, as they say until proven guilty.
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(03-26-2020 11:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:16 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:11 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:53 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 10:37 PM)Stammers Wrote:  What is amazing is like what often happens, you don't know how to read. This is what I said. It mirrors EXACTLY what is said in the article. These are two direct quotes I made.

So again, there was no attempt on my part to be deceitful, and I posted exactly what Reeves said and what is said in the article that you posted.

This is your quote, which is either because you are being dishonest, or you can't read.


Please direct me to anything in that article that even remotely compares to this.


This is what the order said specifically. Not even remotely telling people that they had to get off their asses and go to their physical places of employment AND specifically banning gatherings of more than 10 people; which Maddow lied about.


AGAIN, he did NOT in any shape or form say that everyone had to get their asses back to work at their places of employment. It mirrors exactly what I have posted about what the governor said.

I am referring to the quote you posted of what Maddow said...Not what Snow said. I don't see her saying anything about getting their asses back to work in the quote you posted. Now if she said that on air...Hell I have no idea...I don't watch that propoganda

Based on your quote she is reporting the same thing the mayors told her that they thought the Governors order superseded theirs which matches.

I directly quoted what Maddow said and I just watched a video on MSNBC where the mayor thought that his orders superseded what Tupelo wanted to do; BUT less than a minute later he says that there wasn't uniformity within the state. So yes, you are correct about some mayors thinking that they had to keep businesses open, BUT nowhere was the governor ordering everyone to physically go back to work. He for sure wasn't "unconcerned" about the virus as Maddow also stated.

Hey you likely have more information than I do concerning this and I definitely aint going to watch her show.

But does Maddow say that workers must go back to work or was that Snows interpretation.

If I'm right I'm right and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Tupelo definitely feels correctly that the statewide order overrides the city's so you are 100% right and I am wrong. The major difference is that the governor considers almost everything as essential (as I noted), whereas Tupelo considers very few sectors as essential. So technically, both the governor and the city of Tupelo ordered non essential businesses to close, so she is wrong about that. But under Tupelo's definition, a much higher percentage of businesses would have been considered non essential and would be forced to close.

So in a nutshell, Maddow was correct about the governor superseding each city's rules or guidelines. The governor banned gatherings of more than 10 people, so she was not correct about that, and the governor was encouraging (but not forcing) everyone to work from home. He was definitely not forcing anyone to go to their physical workplace, so she is wrong about that.

And he is officially an idiot for loosening the restrictions.

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It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.
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(03-27-2020 11:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.

I think that's what will transpire.....maybe even more granular, like county by county
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(03-27-2020 11:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.

I think that's what will transpire.....maybe even more granular, like county by county

I'll give Trump credit for always questioning the status quo and continuing to try and find a solution instead of just accepting what he is being told.

The question now is it worth the risk...There is no reset button with this one.
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(03-27-2020 12:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 12:25 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  
(03-27-2020 11:56 AM)Stammers Wrote:  It is crazy how this has been affecting different parts of the country so differently. You are in the middle of a big spike in New York state as well as Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Maryland, Virginia and Nevada, and California also a little bit. On the other hand, you have a full 25 states with very few cases, a low number of deaths and very few new cases.

I think that your administration along with the doctors and scientists are going to be able to figure out what to do and when to do it. I would have to think that it will be a big morale boost if half of the states can be back up in businesses sooner than later.

I think that's what will transpire.....maybe even more granular, like county by county

I'll give Trump credit for always questioning the status quo and continuing to try and find a solution instead of just accepting what he is being told.

The question now is it worth the risk...There is no reset button with this one.

Delaware, North Carolina, Arkansas, Montana, Alaska, Utah, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Mexico, West Virginia, Wyoming, Maine, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Nebraska, Kansas, Idaho, DC.

17 states plus DC all with 3 or less deaths, some with zero, and very few new cases, accounting for around 50 million population give or take. What do you do? You wait to stomp it out completely, but when does that happen? Also, let's say you have a company with 500 employees. One person gets it, the entire company goes into quarantine for 14 days. Off quarantine, then 3 days later someone else gets it and you start the clock on the 14 days all over again for everyone.

North Carolina has a population of 10.5 million, 829 total cases and 2 deaths. Of course you wait, but how long? New York State will hit 50,000 total cases by the end of the day or early morning. Heartbreaking.
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