(04-02-2020 06:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  BTW we announced 27K new cases in the U.S. yesterday (using worldometers numbers) and 1057 new deaths. That's almost a 4 percent mortality rate. You're fooling yourself if you think these are all folks knocking on death's door to begin with.

Yes I realize you can't put those 2 numbers together to produce a mortality rate (unless the 1057 new deaths were all from the 27K new cases). I'm just mentioning those numbers to indict our woeful reporting in states like Texas, California, Washington, North Carolina, etc.

(04-02-2020 07:22 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 06:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  BTW we announced 27K new cases in the U.S. yesterday (using worldometers numbers) and 1057 new deaths. That's almost a 4 percent mortality rate. You're fooling yourself if you think these are all folks knocking on death's door to begin with.

Yes I realize you can't put those 2 numbers together to produce a mortality rate (unless the 1057 new deaths were all from the 27K new cases). I'm just mentioning those numbers to indict our woeful reporting in states like Texas, California, Washington, North Carolina, etc.

The alternative is that the infection rate is greatly accelerating and not being captured due to limited testing.

We'll never know the real numbers unless 1) all 300+ million of us are tested for the virus and 2) the corona virus death statistics are accurate - meaning people with chronic illnesses aren't being reclassified as corona deaths because of a positive test.

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.

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(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).
ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.
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Very poor--or no--public transportation in Detroit--it's the hone of the auto industry, remember--versus heavy reliance on public transportation in New Orleans.

(04-02-2020 07:49 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).
ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.
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Very poor--or no--public transportation in Detroit--it's the hone of the auto industry, remember--versus heavy reliance on public transportation in New Orleans.

New Orleans is so high due to the poor health of the citizens.
Big Easy death rate 7 times that of NY

Quote:Some 97% of those killed by COVID-19 in Louisiana had a preexisting condition, according to the state health department. Diabetes was seen in 40% of the deaths, obesity in 25%, chronic kidney disease in 23% and cardiac problems in 21%.

The model from last Wed stating that Michigan’s confirmed cases will double every 3 days is still on track...model predicted 10,000 cases by midweek and 25,000 cases by this coming Sunday. As of Tuesday the totals jumped to 9,500.

(04-02-2020 06:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://nbc25news.com/news/coronavirus/g...oronavirus

20 year old who died (his father had passed from the virus days earlier) -- https://nbc25news.com/news/coronavirus/g...oronavirus
44 year old state politician dies from virus - https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...-infection

Do you really want me to find links on 335 others? Plus the 50 to 60 new ones with each day? I can try when I'm home but I do have to go to work in just a few minutes. In the meantime, why don't you try googling about the stories of the 31-year-old perfectly healthy male nurse in NYC who died a few days ago? That actually might be able to produce several different links.

BTW we announced 27K new cases in the U.S. yesterday (using worldometers numbers) and 1057 new deaths. That's almost a 4 percent mortality rate. You're fooling yourself if you think these are all folks knocking on death's door to begin with.

There seems to be a contingent of folks who still have a vested interest in convincing themselves that this is overblown.

(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.

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Greater Detroit has a large Indian, Middle Eastern and Asian population and so many businesses are intertwined in the worldwide auto industry supply chain that there is a ton of international travel going on among the folks who live in the region.

(04-02-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.

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Greater Detroit has a large Indian, Middle Eastern and Asian population and so many businesses are intertwined in the worldwide auto industry supply chain that there is a ton of international travel going on among the folks who live in the region.

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(04-02-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.

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Greater Detroit has a large Indian, Middle Eastern and Asian population and so many businesses are intertwined in the worldwide auto industry supply chain that there is a ton of international travel going on among the folks who live in the region.

Week 11 of 2020 had the lowest number of Pneumonia deaths of any week since week 40 of 2013, which is as far back as the CDC data goes back to. Anybody want to gander at why this is? My guess is for years these deaths were being contributed to "Pneumonia" and not CoVid-19. Now these deaths are from something new that is currently being tested for. Since CoVid-19 deaths have begun in America (around week 6 of 2020) there has been a marked decline in the number of Pneumonia deaths. Coincidence? We shall see if as the number of CoVid-19 deaths increase, Pneumonia deaths continue to decrease to RECORD low numbers. Also of note is the total number of deaths in America for this most recent week. It is well below 40,000 at 37k+. This number is unheard of for this graph as this number rarely gets under 50,000 and sometimes goes as high as 60,000.
Weekly Pneumonia and Flu deaths in America

(04-02-2020 09:16 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 08:53 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(04-02-2020 07:29 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Just a guess, but demographics. This disease came from the traveling class. Dont know much about Detroit so I won't guess on that, but Philly is a lot more segregated than NY. Not much public transportation in Philly and very little mix between the traveling class and the poor. I would guess the virus isn't doing much in the black community there whereas the traveling class is likely more apt to comply with social distancing.

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Greater Detroit has a large Indian, Middle Eastern and Asian population and so many businesses are intertwined in the worldwide auto industry supply chain that there is a ton of international travel going on among the folks who live in the region.

Week 11 of 2020 had the lowest number of Pneumonia deaths of any week since week 40 of 2013, which is as far back as the CDC data goes back to. Anybody want to gander at why this is? My guess is for years these deaths were being contributed to "Pneumonia" and not CoVid-19. Now these deaths are from something new that is currently being tested for. Since CoVid-19 deaths have begun in America (around week 6 of 2020) there has been a marked decline in the number of Pneumonia deaths. Coincidence? We shall see if as the number of CoVid-19 deaths increase, Pneumonia deaths continue to decrease to RECORD low numbers. Also of note is the total number of deaths in America for this most recent week. It is well below 40,000 at 37k+. This number is unheard of for this graph as this number rarely gets under 50,000 and sometimes goes as high as 60,000.
Weekly Pneumonia and Flu deaths in America

no....it is not coincidence....it's easily a misrepresentation due to a crock of fk'n bs....

it's disgusting the amt. of deaths being 'scripted' as covid19.....

the virus is real....the stats are bs....

NYC announced more deaths - almost 400 today alone (and they'll add to that total later tonight when they update the numbers. Enough is enough New York - you need to shut down your subways once and for all. Apparently so many subway employees are sick or dead (and ride usage is down as you might expect) that they've reduced the train schedules - except guess what, they're still packed during rush hour!

Here's a photo from two days ago during Rush Hour.



I'm stunned some people aren't wearing masks and gloves, but maybe they can't find any?

They need to deep clean some buses and provide those to the essential health care workers and first responders. I'm guessing so many fewer people are on the streets that folks who still have to work might be able to drive now to and from work? Maybe find an Uber? They need to figure out something but just shut down the damn subways.

(04-03-2020 04:27 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  NYC announced more deaths - almost 400 today alone (and they'll add to that total later tonight when they update the numbers. Enough is enough New York - you need to shut down your subways once and for all. Apparently so many subway employees are sick or dead (and ride usage is down as you might expect) that they've reduced the train schedules - except guess what, they're still packed during rush hour!

Here's a photo from two days ago during Rush Hour.



I'm stunned some people aren't wearing masks and gloves, but maybe they can't find any?

They need to deep clean some buses and provide those to the essential health care workers and first responders. I'm guessing so many fewer people are on the streets that folks who still have to work might be able to drive now to and from work? Maybe find an Uber? They need to figure out something but just shut down the damn subways.

we don't know the age range or what was preexisting vs. % healthy in death rate...

oh yeah, we basically do....

it's called #selfInducedPanic + #worstMethod + #msm + #orangeManBad + #Gina + #etc....

Stink - you can make that argument elsewhere but NYC has had so many deaths that it's hitting a lot of folks who are perfectly healthy. My 3 siblings there now all know people who have died. The concierge at my one brothers' apartment in Manhattan (perfectly healthy - got it taking the subway to come to work for some stupid reason - like people need a doorman in this age?). The husband of the school secretary where my sister works (he was older but he wasn't in bad health). And the husband of a co-worker of my other brother - again, he was younger and was in fine health.

Outside of the tri-state area, we're doing okay (although a few big cities still are struggling too). But half the cases and over half the deaths are in NY/NJ/CT. And considering that area has more than 20 million people, we're not out of the woods or anywhere close to it.

Shut down the subways like I said - they did that weeks ago in the Bay Area and look how much better they're doing than New York.

(04-03-2020 04:56 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Stink - you can make that argument elsewhere but NYC has had so many deaths that it's hitting a lot of folks who are perfectly healthy. My 3 siblings there now all know people who have died. The concierge at my one brothers' apartment in Manhattan (perfectly healthy - got it taking the subway to come to work for some stupid reason - like people need a doorman in this age?). The husband of the school secretary where my sister works (he was older but he wasn't in bad health). And the husband of a co-worker of my other brother - again, he was younger and was in fine health.

Outside of the tri-state area, we're doing okay (although a few big cities still are struggling too). But half the cases and over half the deaths are in NY/NJ/CT. And considering that area has more than 20 million people, we're not out of the woods or anywhere close to it.

Shut down the subways like I said - they did that weeks ago in the Bay Area and look how much better they're doing than New York.

you're talking to a guy that barely survived pneumonia....I get the gist....

hence, #worstMethod

humans are an incubator....the more congestion, the more the contagion gains hold....

however, your specifics are non-specific relative to preexisting or age.....therefore, I can only treat it as such....

with the data that exists known to date, I stand behind every previous post I've made in relative terms....

shut the dayum subways down....I'm cool with that...however, if ya do that, folks still have to move from point A to B to survive....

the virus is real as is the transmission as movement to exist....

is shutting down the largest economy in the world worth risking some small percentage willing to risk their lives vs. starvation, suicide, etc?!

I say not no, but FK NO!

the police state that comes out of this bs is easily more the motherfk'r I'm concerned with down the row-add....pandora's is knockin' on your door, pal.....ya simply don't see it yet....

#mismanagedByDesign

#DJThadNoOut

New York is the last place on earth to live during something like this

Low density high travel

No thanks

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Got to love public transportation right?

We should all do away with our cars, right?

No way.

(03-30-2020 08:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.

Detroit is only 16th in international flights a day. New York (both JFK and Newark), Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, O'Hare, Atlanta, Houston, Fort Lauderdale, DFW, Dulles, Boston, Orlando, Honolulu and Seattle are all ahead of it - although I recognize it's not just the number of international flights but also where they're going to and coming from that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

I actually have a theory the coronavirus is hitting the african-american population worse even though I have yet to see any stories on that. Detroit has the nation's highest percentage of african-americans of any big city in the country (over 80 percent in the city). New Orleans and Albany, Georgia are two more cities with large african-american populations that have been hit hard.

If that theory is correct, it's probably connected to health reasons, specifically diabetes and high blood pressure. Among big cities, Detroit is the 4th worst in the country for diabetes (behind Miami, New Orleans and Charlotte - Houston is 5th). NYC is in the top 10 too. Some of the cities on this list haven't been hit hard by covid 19 yet but perhaps their lack of early exposure and warmer weather has helped them out a bit?

https://psydprograms.org/projected-diabe...n-america/

It's probably a case of a lot of different factors - weather, international visitors, population density, health of its residents, and a bit of luck too. Also, a cities' medical facilities certainly has something to do with it - for being the nation's biggest city, NYC really isn't a good medical city at all. Houston has the nation's largest medical center so perhaps that's helping us for now (fingers crossed).

Chicago's mayor and health official announced today that 70 pct of the deaths in Chicago have been African-American (and 50 pct of the cases period), although just 30 pct of Chicago's population is black.

https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-...are-black/

(04-03-2020 04:56 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Stink - you can make that argument elsewhere but NYC has had so many deaths that it's hitting a lot of folks who are perfectly healthy. My 3 siblings there now all know people who have died. The concierge at my one brothers' apartment in Manhattan (perfectly healthy - got it taking the subway to come to work for some stupid reason - like people need a doorman in this age?). The husband of the school secretary where my sister works (he was older but he wasn't in bad health). And the husband of a co-worker of my other brother - again, he was younger and was in fine health.

Outside of the tri-state area, we're doing okay (although a few big cities still are struggling too). But half the cases and over half the deaths are in NY/NJ/CT. And considering that area has more than 20 million people, we're not out of the woods or anywhere close to it.

Shut down the subways like I said - they did that weeks ago in the Bay Area and look how much better they're doing than New York.

I'm hearing the worst hit spots are Queens and the Bronx, ie definite mass transit users.

(04-06-2020 06:40 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 08:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(03-30-2020 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.

Detroit is only 16th in international flights a day. New York (both JFK and Newark), Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, O'Hare, Atlanta, Houston, Fort Lauderdale, DFW, Dulles, Boston, Orlando, Honolulu and Seattle are all ahead of it - although I recognize it's not just the number of international flights but also where they're going to and coming from that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

I actually have a theory the coronavirus is hitting the african-american population worse even though I have yet to see any stories on that. Detroit has the nation's highest percentage of african-americans of any big city in the country (over 80 percent in the city). New Orleans and Albany, Georgia are two more cities with large african-american populations that have been hit hard.

If that theory is correct, it's probably connected to health reasons, specifically diabetes and high blood pressure. Among big cities, Detroit is the 4th worst in the country for diabetes (behind Miami, New Orleans and Charlotte - Houston is 5th). NYC is in the top 10 too. Some of the cities on this list haven't been hit hard by covid 19 yet but perhaps their lack of early exposure and warmer weather has helped them out a bit?

https://psydprograms.org/projected-diabe...n-america/

It's probably a case of a lot of different factors - weather, international visitors, population density, health of its residents, and a bit of luck too. Also, a cities' medical facilities certainly has something to do with it - for being the nation's biggest city, NYC really isn't a good medical city at all. Houston has the nation's largest medical center so perhaps that's helping us for now (fingers crossed).

Chicago's mayor and health official announced today that 70 pct of the deaths in Chicago have been African-American (and 50 pct of the cases period), although just 30 pct of Chicago's population is black.

https://www.motherjones.com/coronavirus-...are-black/

Or maybe it could be that outside of the Black Belt most African-Americans live in urban areas. We'll have to see how the South in general fares at the end of the month.