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Or maybe a person was dying anyway and had some corona virus in them and were being counted as a corona victim in Italy?
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(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...




Now up to 5 per millon. Over 100,000 open cases, and 1543 deaths.
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(03-27-2020 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...




Now up to 5 per millon. Over 100,000 open cases, and 1543 deaths.
You realize as time goes by the number will go up? By middle of next week the death per positive test will be 1%. This is mainly a nursing home issue. Bugs go through nursing homes like a flooded river because a lot of the workers are extremely uneducated and careless. And everyone knows, unfortunately folks are put in nursing homes to die.
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Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?
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(03-27-2020 04:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...




Now up to 5 per millon. Over 100,000 open cases, and 1543 deaths.

That stat means nothing when 95% of US cases are still unresolved. That said, it can never mathematically get any better than it is now among the current 159,000 case population. The number can only get worse within that 159,000 case population.
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(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Think NYC is obvious. International business, international tourist center. People live like rats.

I think New Orleans and Detroit have to do with poverty. And New Orleans adds tourism and a party atmosphere.
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I wonder how much of New Orleans rate was due to Mardis Gras?
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(03-30-2020 06:07 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  I wonder how much of New Orleans rate was due to Mardis Gras?

The people in nursing homes dying didn't go to parades. New Orleans is a nasty place and the reason is due to the people that live there.
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(03-30-2020 03:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Michigan's numbers announced today were pretty bad. Over 1000 new cases in 1 day and 52 new deaths (almost all in the Detroit metro area). Since that area has well over 3 times as many people as New Orleans, I think it's pretty safe to say that's now the #2 worst area in the country (outside of NYC) - New Orleans will have the higher death rate per 1 million population, but Detroit's numbers will be much higher by the end of the week (plus it's cooler weather so that doesn't help matters either).

ETA - what we need to figure out though is why is NYC so much worse than say Philly or Boston, and why is Detroit so much worse than Chicago?

Think NYC is obvious. International business, international tourist center. People live like rats.

I think New Orleans and Detroit have to do with poverty. And New Orleans adds tourism and a party atmosphere.

IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.
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(03-30-2020 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.

Detroit is only 16th in international flights a day. New York (both JFK and Newark), Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, O'Hare, Atlanta, Houston, Fort Lauderdale, DFW, Dulles, Boston, Orlando, Honolulu and Seattle are all ahead of it - although I recognize it's not just the number of international flights but also where they're going to and coming from that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

I actually have a theory the coronavirus is hitting the african-american population worse even though I have yet to see any stories on that. Detroit has the nation's highest percentage of african-americans of any big city in the country (over 80 percent in the city). New Orleans and Albany, Georgia are two more cities with large african-american populations that have been hit hard.

If that theory is correct, it's probably connected to health reasons, specifically diabetes and high blood pressure. Among big cities, Detroit is the 4th worst in the country for diabetes (behind Miami, New Orleans and Charlotte - Houston is 5th). NYC is in the top 10 too. Some of the cities on this list haven't been hit hard by covid 19 yet but perhaps their lack of early exposure and warmer weather has helped them out a bit?

https://psydprograms.org/projected-diabe...n-america/

It's probably a case of a lot of different factors - weather, international visitors, population density, health of its residents, and a bit of luck too. Also, a cities' medical facilities certainly has something to do with it - for being the nation's biggest city, NYC really isn't a good medical city at all. Houston has the nation's largest medical center so perhaps that's helping us for now (fingers crossed).
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(03-30-2020 08:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(03-30-2020 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.

Detroit is only 16th in international flights a day. New York (both JFK and Newark), Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, O'Hare, Atlanta, Houston, Fort Lauderdale, DFW, Dulles, Boston, Orlando, Honolulu and Seattle are all ahead of it - although I recognize it's not just the number of international flights but also where they're going to and coming from that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

I actually have a theory the coronavirus is hitting the african-american population worse even though I have yet to see any stories on that. Detroit has the nation's highest percentage of african-americans of any big city in the country (over 80 percent in the city). New Orleans and Albany, Georgia are two more cities with large african-american populations that have been hit hard.

If that theory is correct, it's probably connected to health reasons, specifically diabetes and high blood pressure. Among big cities, Detroit is the 4th worst in the country for diabetes (behind Miami, New Orleans and Charlotte - Houston is 5th). NYC is in the top 10 too. Some of the cities on this list haven't been hit hard by covid 19 yet but perhaps their lack of early exposure and warmer weather has helped them out a bit?

https://psydprograms.org/projected-diabe...n-america/

It's probably a case of a lot of different factors - weather, international visitors, population density, health of its residents, and a bit of luck too. Also, a cities' medical facilities certainly has something to do with it - for being the nation's biggest city, NYC really isn't a good medical city at all. Houston has the nation's largest medical center so perhaps that's helping us for now (fingers crossed).
Lots of black folks in Italy and Spain...
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(03-30-2020 08:00 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(03-30-2020 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  IMO Detroit has to do with a huge international airport and a large permanent population of people who travel to the Far East, the Middle East and to India.

International hubs like Atlanta and Detroit seem to be getting drilled by this.

Detroit is only 16th in international flights a day. New York (both JFK and Newark), Los Angeles, Miami, San Francisco, O'Hare, Atlanta, Houston, Fort Lauderdale, DFW, Dulles, Boston, Orlando, Honolulu and Seattle are all ahead of it - although I recognize it's not just the number of international flights but also where they're going to and coming from that matters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th...ted_States

I actually have a theory the coronavirus is hitting the african-american population worse even though I have yet to see any stories on that. Detroit has the nation's highest percentage of african-americans of any big city in the country (over 80 percent in the city). New Orleans and Albany, Georgia are two more cities with large african-american populations that have been hit hard.

If that theory is correct, it's probably connected to health reasons, specifically diabetes and high blood pressure. Among big cities, Detroit is the 4th worst in the country for diabetes (behind Miami, New Orleans and Charlotte - Houston is 5th). NYC is in the top 10 too. Some of the cities on this list haven't been hit hard by covid 19 yet but perhaps their lack of early exposure and warmer weather has helped them out a bit?

https://psydprograms.org/projected-diabe...n-america/

It's probably a case of a lot of different factors - weather, international visitors, population density, health of its residents, and a bit of luck too. Also, a cities' medical facilities certainly has something to do with it - for being the nation's biggest city, NYC really isn't a good medical city at all. Houston has the nation's largest medical center so perhaps that's helping us for now (fingers crossed).

It’s not just the city of Detroit...the affluent exo-suburbs around Detroit are getting pummeled, too.
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Denver area is where people come from all over the world to go to Aspen and Veil to ski. You have to look at ski resorts on this one plus, Miami, Houston and other coastal towns are business towns from cruise tours to oil. Seattle and San Francisco have a huge populations of different Asian groups.
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Im confident the death numbers being slung around....100k - 200k (its not really an estimate if you double your most optimistic number) are for shock value.

Currently the US death rate is 1.8%, which has slowly increased in the last 3 weeks from around 1%.

Currently at 165k positive cases. If we stay near the current death rate it would mean we would have to have around 5.5 - 11 million positive cases. Saying it another way... we would have to hit totals 34x's - 68x's where we are now.

I simply do not see that being the case.

I guess im a bit more optimistic than those throwing around numbers without explanation.

The truth of the matter is.... the CDC has been changing their recommendations almost on a daily basis, which has led to great confusion in the health care world.



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In the prayers thread, I mentioned the other day how my sister's stepson in SoCal was being tested. His results came back (fairly quickly compared to the rest of the state too) as 87 % positive. Apparently - and I haven't heard this anywhere else yet - they're now assigning numbers to tests and if your results fall within a certain range, you are likely showing minor symptoms or are considered to have a mild case of the virus - but you are not considered positive in terms of the results.

Remember now, this is in California. And if you look at the numbers for our most populous state, they do seem a bit lower than you'd think considering the population base and also the fact that they've been dealing with this for longer than many states (maybe because they were the first state to go to lockdown, that explains their relatively low death rates). As I said yesterday, they're also experiencing very long delays in results although he got his back in 3-4 days, tops?

Anyway, while this is good news for my family, it's also confusing to them. And it's a good example of why I think in general our numbers of cases nationwide are probably inaccurate.
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There is a wide range of tests being used across the country, another reason why the exact number will never be accurate.

Another thing... unless its a CDC positive test they only recognize the result as "presumptive"

Ill be honest, in my opinion the CDC has done a horrible job with this pandemic.

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Today is the first day the U.S. was over 1000 deaths for the day. Half of those basically are NYC and nearby New Jersey and Connecticut. But there are plenty of other spots that are in bad shape (Detroit is now #2, New Orleans' numbers might be leveling off a bit so I actually think Chicago will be #3 within a day or two).

There are sections of the country that aren't doing great but nothing like New York. Los Angeles' numbers are climbing a bit. I think California is not reporting its numbers quite the same way that other states are though, so it's tough to say if their numbers can be believed.
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