(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

David is panicking, please do not interrupt. He will be forced to not work and stay inside for months at a time now....wait.

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

which, 1100 of 331 million is about 0.00033 % of the population.

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:07 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Arkansas Department Of Health Update Map


This interactive map points out where the cases are, the data for the state and data for the country. 1046 deaths across the country and pushing to 70,000 cases.

WorldMeter's List By Country

Under the USA, the number of serious or critical number is at 1455 and counting. More people are being hospitalized in all 50 states and our territories.

There are only over 600+ recovered from this. We are having a bad record of recovery rate.

Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 11:14 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  Who is keeping up with the recoveries? That number is not verified. More people have recovered than that. Death rate is the only rate that matters, and it is no different now than it has ever been if you look at the Pneumonia deaths per year in America. It is a fraction of those deaths and has been prior to testing for this.

Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 12:08 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Now it is updated to 1863 recovered and 1080 dead. As every case represents the numbers that test positive. The Arkansas health department site did break down who is quarantine, who are being watched for systems that are not hospitalized and the ones who are in the hospital who are in serious or critical conditions. In some cases who tested positive wind up in the hospital in a week.

You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:04 PM)DFWMINER Wrote:  You need to reread post number 1 in this thread. It doesn't matter how many we test or how many have it. Only thing we know for sure are the number who die from it and our population.

That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

(03-26-2020 02:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

Yes. It is obvious there is at least two strains. Can only guess the one that came from Wuhan (pure form from a frozen state that was tested in 2015) is the killer. The other people get with little to no effect due to an immunity as it has been around a while. And before someone comes out and says it has been proven to not be man-made. No one has said man-made. It is a real virus that was/is frozen in a lab in Wuhon. That is undisputed as it has been part of a peer reviewed test. For New York, the Chinatown Lunar New Year celebration on Feb. 8th had a lot of Chinese folks at it.

The number of deaths in Europe is rising rapidly. Now I don't know how often they are updating the RCP list, but most of the European countries are going up by 10-20% since the last report (which I think is done daily). Everything from Germany west is doing that. Some like Germany still have low rates.

Italy is at 136 now. They have their hands full.

Outside of New York metro area and New Orleans, we're looking okay. We need to keep a close eye on a few cities too like Detroit, Boston and Atlanta, but the numbers there aren't spiraling out of control.

But it's tough to say we're looking good in general when New York is doing so poorly. Their numbers keep going up (100 deaths in 1 day and close to 300 deaths in the city itself). Plus there are tons of people there in critical condition and the numbers keep rising.

I know looking at cases itself isn't as important (probably) as the death numbers, but the USA is going to pass China momentarily in total cases (perhaps - if we believe the China numbers). And possibly by the end of March, New York City will have more cases by itself than any other country in the world.

(03-26-2020 03:22 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Outside of New York metro area and New Orleans, we're looking okay. We need to keep a close eye on a few cities too like Detroit, Boston and Atlanta, but the numbers there aren't spiraling out of control.

But it's tough to say we're looking good in general when New York is doing so poorly. Their numbers keep going up (100 deaths in 1 day and close to 300 deaths in the city itself). Plus there are tons of people there in critical condition and the numbers keep rising.

I know looking at cases itself isn't as important (probably) as the death numbers, but the USA is going to pass China momentarily in total cases (perhaps - if we believe the China numbers). And possibly by the end of March, New York City will have more cases by itself than any other country in the world.

The China numbers are irrelevant. They are probably just starving their people out by now. If the main(only) entrance to your building is welded shut and they turn the water off, you will die.

USA now at 4 per 1 million population.

(03-26-2020 02:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

I heard a couple of docs say the same thing today, that the surface contact is way overblown. Most of it is transmitted by coughing and sneezing on folks.

(03-26-2020 02:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 01:23 PM)TripleA Wrote:  That worldometer link as of now shows the US has a death rate of 3 per million, one of the lowest of the large countries.

Meanwhile, the Dutch have a death rate of 25 per million, 4th highest in the world, behind only Italy, Iran and Spain.

They almost all are low rates, percentage wise, but the Dutch idea doesn't seem to be particularly effective so far...

But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

Death rate is skyrocketing everywhere from Germany west. But Germany still has a very low death rate despite a lot of cases. France, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal all have high and rising death rates.

(03-27-2020 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:19 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  But how will they be economically this time next year?

Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

Death rate is skyrocketing everywhere from Germany west. But Germany still has a very low death rate despite a lot of cases. France, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal all have high and rising death rates.

Because Germany isnt listing people as dying from coronavirus.. If their organs shut down because of coronavirus, they list it as organ failure. If someone over the age of 75 dies due to coronavirus, they list it as natural causes.

(03-27-2020 02:18 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(03-27-2020 02:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:51 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:39 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  

(03-26-2020 02:28 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Maybe the Dutch economy will be great... it won’t matter much to the dead. But who cares... the Dutch certainly don’t.

Boys and girls can you say euthanasia.

Most of the deaths in the NL come from Noord-Brabant which has a link to Italy. And folks there have been told to stay at home for weeks. So like the US and New York the NL has a similar problem in one area. Everyone else is going about their business. Appears the strain of this virus in Europe is a lot worse than other parts of the world, and the reason New York is so bad.

Hmm... You think it is the strain? Might be.

I thought it was more the societal interaction of the people. Mass transit. Group dining. Packed sidewalks. That type of thing.

I'm at the point where I think person-to-person transmission is the only thing relevant. This surface transmission doesn't seem to jive with me because once you remove mass transit and crowded conditions the numbers go down.

Death rate is skyrocketing everywhere from Germany west. But Germany still has a very low death rate despite a lot of cases. France, Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal all have high and rising death rates.

Because Germany isnt listing people as dying from coronavirus.. If their organs shut down because of coronavirus, they list it as organ failure. If someone over the age of 75 dies due to coronavirus, they list it as natural causes.

Do you have source for that one? The kind of number fudging you are suggesting would be dangerously counterproductive to containment if true.