(04-07-2020 11:58 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 08:27 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Death rate is far more important than confirmed cases, which we all know is skewed by how aggressively and successfully a state is testing.

For instance, Kentucky has a low confirmed cases number compared to most, yet our death rate per million is higher than all our neighboring states except Indiana and Illinois...meaning our death rate is higher than WVa, Tenn, Va, MO, and Ohio. Our Governor continuously pats himself on the back that Kentucky is doing far better than our neighbors because of his actions and we have fewer "confirmed" cases. He has a fawning media (he's a Dem) so he's never questioned.

Deaths by states hasn't been as easy to find as cases. CDC has that link on cases by state.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

There are 8 different counties in New York alone that have more deaths than the entire state of Texas.

(04-07-2020 09:19 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-07-2020 08:27 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Death rate is far more important than confirmed cases, which we all know is skewed by how aggressively and successfully a state is testing.

Death rate is skewed as well.

I have pointed out that the first death from the Wuhan virus here in SC was someone who was already receiving hospice care for COPD, and wasn't expected to live through the week. But because they tested positive for the virus they are a virus death, regardless if it was the underlying condition that actually killed them.

There is that, but the virus attacks the lungs big time for people with or without a underlining health issue. The virus causes a heavy mucus in the lungs that are painful, and makes it hard to breathe. The guy you are talking about would have lived longer, but the virus hasten his death a lot sooner than later.

(04-07-2020 09:19 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Death rate is skewed as well.

I have pointed out that the first death from the Wuhan virus here in SC was someone who was already receiving hospice care for COPD, and wasn't expected to live through the week. But because they tested positive for the virus they are a virus death, regardless if it was the underlying condition that actually killed them.

Only if their attending doctor believes that. I'm not saying they don't... I just mean it's not the media or 'democrats' or whomever making this call. I doubt the guy was even tested if he was in such bad condition.

Unless it was your family, I'm sure you didn't see the death certificate, nor do you know what was sent to the CDC... so you may just be getting a reporter's opinion.

Said differently, he could have had COVID and it not be on his death cert. If he were hit by a train, they shouldn't list covid. If he was on hospice, they've already determined the cause of death

I compiled a list of the top 15 counties in the country in terms of deaths. For comparison, I'm also noting the county overall size in the final ranking on the right on this list. These numbers are as of 4/8 PM

(1) Kings County (Brooklyn), NY -- 1313 deaths (9th most populous county in country - 2 1/2 million people)
(2) Queens County, NY -- 1238 (#11 - 2.2 million folks)
(3) Bronx County, NY -- 934 (#28)
(4) Manhattan County, NY -- 872 (#21 - 1.6 million)
(5) Nassau County, NY (Long Island - closer county to NYC) -- 701 (#29)
(6) Wayne County, MI (also includes Detroit numbers which state lists separately -- 410 (#19 - 1.7 million)
(7) Westchester County, NY (just north of NYC) -- 343 (#50 - just under a million people)
(8) Cook County, IL (also includes Chicago numbers which they list separately) -- 332 (#2 - 5 million plus)
(9) Suffolk County, NY (also Long Island - but further out) -- 328 (#26)
(10) Bergen County, NJ (basically across George Washington Bridge) -- 314 (#55)
(11) Essex County, NJ -- 276 (#80 - home of Newark)
(12) King County, WA -- 242 (#12 - Seattle)
(13) Oakland County MI -- 234 (#33)
(14) Orleans Parrish, LA -- 208 (not in top 100)
(15) Los Angeles County, CA -- 199 (#1 - 10 million plus people)

I can't figure out if Suffolk County (Boston) should be on this list or not. Massachusetts isn't being very forthcoming on where the deaths in that state are. But that's probably the only other county in the country over 200 currently. Fairfield County in CT might be before long.

Dougherty County Georgia has 63 deaths with a population of 89,502, so a higher rate than Brooklyn or Queens.

(04-08-2020 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  Dougherty County Georgia has 63 deaths with a population of 89,502, so a higher rate than Brooklyn or Queens.

Part of me wants to just add those cases to metro Atlanta just because of the transmission vector. Otherwise it stands as a glaring outlier.

Michigan at 21,000 cases and 1,000 deaths and they are about to tack on another 3+ weeks to the stay at home order that was set to expire 4/14 due to the fact that they think this is only now just ramping up. Governor to announce extension tomorrow.

(04-08-2020 07:28 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Michigan at 21,000 cases and 1,000 deaths and they are about to tack on another 3+ weeks to the stay at home order that was set to expire 4/14 due to the fact that they think this is only now just ramping up. Governor to announce extension tomorrow.

Georgia is extended from April 14 to April 30.

(04-08-2020 06:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  Dougherty County Georgia has 63 deaths with a population of 89,502, so a higher rate than Brooklyn or Queens.

Part of me wants to just add those cases to metro Atlanta just because of the transmission vector. Otherwise it stands as a glaring outlier.

That's 3 hours away! Maybe 1 or 2 people originally brought it from Atlanta, but they could have just as easily brought it from New Orleans. In any case, I've read there were a couple of high profile gatherings in Albany where they think it spread. One was at a funeral there, and one was a high profile murder case in Dougherty County where one of the jurors was sick (and eventually had to be excused from the trial).

(04-08-2020 08:20 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:54 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(04-08-2020 06:43 PM)bullet Wrote:  Dougherty County Georgia has 63 deaths with a population of 89,502, so a higher rate than Brooklyn or Queens.

Part of me wants to just add those cases to metro Atlanta just because of the transmission vector. Otherwise it stands as a glaring outlier.

That's 3 hours away! Maybe 1 or 2 people originally brought it from Atlanta, but they could have just as easily brought it from New Orleans. In any case, I've read there were a couple of high profile gatherings in Albany where they think it spread. One was at a funeral there, and one was a high profile murder case in Dougherty County where one of the jurors was sick (and eventually had to be excused from the trial).

There were two big funerals in Albany a week apart. There was a person sick at the first funeral and he went back to Atlanta and was the first person to die in Georgia. The minister at the funeral also died. Numerous relatives of the deceased also got sick. Several employees at the funeral home that conducted both funerals got sick. They were talking about it before the first person died. My spouse grew up in that part of the state so she has been following it pretty closely through news and friends. They have a pretty strong case that it came from Atlanta.