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Anyone else see Virginia Tech will host Marshall? It seems like we still cannot schedule our big name in state schools despite them both willing to schedule other CUSA schools.


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(03-31-2020 06:44 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Anyone else see Virginia Tech will host Marshall? It seems like we still cannot schedule our big name in state schools despite them both willing to schedule other CUSA schools.



Because we beat them too often. Especially VT. But we beat UVA last time too. We may also insist on home and homes, which I agree with, especially for in state schools.
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I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.
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(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?
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(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.
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(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
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(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?
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(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.
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(04-01-2020 10:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.

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RE: 2020-2021 Basketball Schedule
(04-01-2020 10:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.
you say that like the schedule is set. how about we see how it plays out versus the usual not having all the information, the sky is falling routine. 10 years was a long time ago in college basketball.
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(04-01-2020 12:41 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.
you say that like the schedule is set. how about we see how it plays out versus the usual not having all the information, the sky is falling routine. 10 years was a long time ago in college basketball.

I don't agree necessarily with Ever's point about Arkansas, because apparently it's possible that they'll be a top 25 program next season (depending on whether their top two players go into the draft, but from what I'm reading they'd be borderline second-rounders so that might inform their decision). I do agree that ODU is still a good enough program that it can be judicious about what buys to take. If we had ETSU as a home-and-home instead of a body-bag game at Illinois, I think it would have benefited ODU more (and they were brought up as an ideal mid-major team to schedule during the offseason, so it's not a hindsight thing).

Kentucky is buying Richmond, which is really interesting because the Spiders have top-25 potential, so it's more than the traditional, grab a nobody school in nowhereville and dunk on them for 40 minutes to the delight of your fans deal.

I don't oppose buy games because that's the world we live in, but ODU can and should do better than St. John's basketball or Liberty football.
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(04-01-2020 12:41 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.
you say that like the schedule is set. how about we see how it plays out versus the usual not having all the information, the sky is falling routine. 10 years was a long time ago in college basketball.

I'm really not that concerned with the schedule, just making an observation. Next year, like this year, is unlikely to be a year where our schedule is going to matter. Again, I think that is more of the frustration that we are at this point with no end in sight. Frankly, we probably couldn't get Dayton or any of the higher level mids to schedule a H/H with us right now either.
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(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:08 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 08:38 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

You take him serious when he says Syracuse is borderline?

Right. I feel like I'm obligated to respond in order to demonstrate to any casual observer that we aren't all this delusional.

Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.

Hey, I appreciate the compliment on my brains.

The problem with your statement isn't about selecting games, it's about the notion that you somehow don't think top 25 teams are good enough for us. Syracuse and Illinois were both top 25 teams, and Arkansas is likely to be as well. For some reason, that is not good enough for you, you need to have Kansas. That is the delusion.
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(04-01-2020 12:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 12:41 PM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 10:15 AM)84Monarch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 09:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Genius, I guess you missed the part where I said, :Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem."

Our policy 2 years ago was we won't take buy games period. What is delusional is the notion that this program is not in decline. We never would have taken a buy game against an Arkansas or St. Johns 10 years ago when we were getting better programs at the Ted.
Dude you do understand that the college basketball environment has changed? It is not just ODU. The P5s are closing ranks and consolidating scheduling power more than ever before. Conferences having "extra" conference games, which limits scheduling. The Quad system versus RPI system. They will exert their influence more than they did even three years ago. In a lot of ways the NCAA and P5s are transporting us back to the late 70s and 80s scheduling wise when you rarely got a home and home. If we want to play a P5 school and they say play at our place or not at all, what are we supposed to do?

Could have gone with a H/H with a better midmajor program than Arkansas. There are probably about 40 of them them out there and we already have 2 on the schedule.
you say that like the schedule is set. how about we see how it plays out versus the usual not having all the information, the sky is falling routine. 10 years was a long time ago in college basketball.

I'm really not that concerned with the schedule, just making an observation. Next year, like this year, is unlikely to be a year where our schedule is going to matter. Again, I think that is more of the frustration that we are at this point with no end in sight. Frankly, we probably couldn't get Dayton or any of the higher level mids to schedule a H/H with us right now either.

ADs take a longer view of this sort of thing than fans. Dayton (which will certainly take a plunge from this year with Toppin gone) isn't more or less likely to schedule us just because they had a once-in-a-lifetime year while we had a piss-poor one. The two will almost certainly be closer this season, and who knows what either will look like in 2021-22? ODU is a quality program and unless they make a habit of sub-.500 records, I don't see them suddenly becoming toxic to good mids and upper mids.

The other thing to consider is we're not going to know what next season will look like. If there's a second wave that forces us back into quarantine in the fall and winter, the schedules might look a lot different. Lots of variables.
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(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

Before Selig came on board we had a policy of never doing buy games. And we played plenty of big name teams. Typically at least one a year.
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Coach, that was me that said we are looking to move away from the in-season tournaments.

Here are the benefits:
1. Guaranteed quality competition to our choosing.
2. Bigger boost to the schedule strength by playing on the road
3. In-season tourneys cost us money to play in. Here we get paid to play.
4. The guarantee money could be as much as twice what we would have to pay a low-major to come to the Ted, so that covers the balancing of home and away games with money left over.

We're kidding ourselves if we think we can get in the NCAAT other than winning three games in Frisco by sticking with the same format in this conference. Schedules are made year to year. We can revert back if things change within the CUSA. We aren't getting offers to play in some of the better tournaments.

The players want to play against better programs. Without the guarantee of playing someone in a tourney, choosing our opponent on the road will be a good experience for the players. For example, the thrill of playing in the Carrier Dome is better than playing in a convention hall at a resort, or in a small college gym. And being a top CUSA program, there will be a fair amount of programs looking to schedule us on their court so it won't damage their schedule strength.

The NET is the new measuring stick. We have to schedule accordingly. If we are good enough, we will be competitive. If not, at least we generate positive cash flow (vs. the tourneys).
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(04-01-2020 08:16 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  Coach, that was me that said we are looking to move away from the in-season tournaments.

Here are the benefits:
1. Guaranteed quality competition to our choosing.
2. Bigger boost to the schedule strength by playing on the road
3. In-season tourneys cost us money to play in. Here we get paid to play.
4. The guarantee money could be as much as twice what we would have to pay a low-major to come to the Ted, so that covers the balancing of home and away games with money left over.

We're kidding ourselves if we think we can get in the NCAAT other than winning three games in Frisco by sticking with the same format in this conference. Schedules are made year to year. We can revert back if things change within the CUSA. We aren't getting offers to play in some of the better tournaments.

The players want to play against better programs. Without the guarantee of playing someone in a tourney, choosing our opponent on the road will be a good experience for the players. For example, the thrill of playing in the Carrier Dome is better than playing in a convention hall at a resort, or in a small college gym. And being a top CUSA program, there will be a fair amount of programs looking to schedule us on their court so it won't damage their schedule strength.

The NET is the new measuring stick. We have to schedule accordingly. If we are good enough, we will be competitive. If not, at least we generate positive cash flow (vs. the tourneys).
Makes sense.

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(04-01-2020 05:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

Before Selig came on board we had a policy of never doing buy games. And we played plenty of big name teams. Typically at least one a year.

A lot changes in a decade. But sure, blame the AD for high majors doing everything possible to avoid playing on the road OOC.
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RE: 2020-2021 Basketball Schedule
(04-01-2020 05:45 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 07:02 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-31-2020 08:55 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I think we need to be taking buy games against bigger programs than Arkansas or Illinois (Syracuse is borderline). If we are doing buy games, lets do them against teams like Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky. Granted, our program really isn't in any position to draw any lines in the sand. I guess that's the problem.

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So, we should only do buy games against blue bloods? Teams in the top 25 are no longer good enough? ... wow.

Before Selig came on board we had a policy of never doing buy games. And we played plenty of big name teams. Typically at least one a year.

And now, high major programs don't play road games out of conference. They figured it out. This was not the case in 2010. Edit- apologize I basically just parroted drunkmod
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