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Trump’s out playing golf instead of planning for a major global pandemic with the ability to kill millions - the right-wingers bleat on cue.
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March 24, 2020
WASHINGTON — When Ford’s chief executive, Jim Hackett, announced on Tuesday that the carmaker would team up with General Electric to build ventilators, he tempered the good news with a note of caution: “We’re talking about early June.”

That was just one of several examples that underscored the price of the Trump administration’s slow response to evidence as early as January that the coronavirus was headed to the United States.

For the first time, it is now possible to quantify the cost of the lost weeks, as President Trump was claiming as recently as February that in a “couple of days” the number of cases in the United States “is going to be down to close to zero.”

Ford’s timeline suggested that if the administration had reacted to the acute shortage of ventilators in February, the joint effort between Ford and General Electric might have produced lifesaving equipment sometime in mid- to late April.

A month later, the administration still does not appear to have a streamlined response to the pandemic. The chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Tuesday that the administration would use the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law, to mandate the production of 60,000 coronavirus test kits. By Tuesday night, an agency spokeswoman said that the administration had been able to secure the tests without invoking the law.

The 60,000 tests are a tiny fraction of the tens of millions needed, and it raised the question whether the scarcity today would exist had the White House moved faster more than a month ago, after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fumbled its first effort to send out a test. Commercial laboratories could have produced their own tests earlier, according to industry officials, and governors have said that the wartime law would result in desperately needed equipment arriving in weeks, instead of months.

The gap between the production timelines and the need for immediate supplies led to a scathing assessment from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York. New York accounts for more than 25,000 cases, more than half the total in the country, he said, but it has received only 400 ventilators from the federal government.

“You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators?” Mr. Cuomo said. “What are we going to do with 400 ventilators when we need 30,000 ventilators? You’re missing the magnitude of the problem, and the problem is defined by the magnitude.”

Mr. Trump is caught between his desire to be proactive and optimistic, and the crushing realities of the numbers. For the past two weeks, the administration has usually avoided indicating the number of ventilators, masks or personal protective equipment that it has distributed. That changed on Monday, when Rear Adm. John P. Polowczyk, a senior logistics officer for the Joint Staff at the Pentagon, began specifying delivery quantities.

So far those figures have not compared the number of deliveries to the number of equipment needed. And that gap seems huge.

Mr. Cuomo crystallized the issue on Tuesday when he said that “the timeline doesn’t work.”

“I don’t need ventilators in six months,” he said. “And I don’t need ventilators in five months, four months or three months.”

The reality is that timing is impossible, producers of the equipment say. For example, Medtronic, one of the leading manufacturers of ventilators, now makes about 225 of its high-end machines each week, up from 100 in more normal times. But it is a daunting task because there are 1,500 unique parts supplied from 14 countries. The company is aiming for 500 a week, a Medtronic spokesman said. Even that would not satisfy current demand.

Last week, Mr. Trump urged states to fend for themselves, looking for whatever they could find on the open market. But that only underlined how poorly prepared federal stockpiles were for a pandemic — a situation that the last three administrations had rehearsed in an effort to improve plans. The president’s comments set off a scramble that only accelerated the criticism of how the White House has handled the allocation of scarce supplies.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, a Democrat, argued that in sending each of the states off to find their own equipment, “we’re competing against each other, we’re competing against other countries.” The result, he said, was “we’re overpaying.”

Mr. Trump responded that Mr. Pritzker and other governors “shouldn’t be blaming the federal government for their own shortcomings. We are there to back you up should you fail, and always will be!”

But it is increasingly clear that the federal government will not be able to back up the states, at least at the scale needed, for the first wave of patients. And by letting companies voluntarily produce the necessary equipment, rather than under orders in the Defense Production Act, the administration is not responsible for whether the quotas are met, or if the output reaches hospitals.

Ford’s new partnership with GE Healthcare and 3M aims to produce about 1,000 respirators a month, using fans from F-150 trucks, the most widely sold in the United States, and parts made on 3-D printers. But Mr. Hackett noted that those parts would have to be merged with electronics produced by other suppliers.

Plastic face shields, which are far less complex, will begin to be delivered this week in smaller quantities in Detroit, officials at Ford said, with a goal of producing 100,000 a week.

Peter Gaynor, the Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator, told CNN on Tuesday that the administration was only using the Defense Production Act when it was needed.

“So we’re going to use it, we’re going to use it when we need it and we’re going to use it today,” he said.

But Mr. Trump, who has favored relying on the volunteerism of companies to compile the medical equipment, was not aware that FEMA had been directed to use the law, according to an administration official. Later Tuesday, a FEMA spokeswoman said the administration had elected to get the tests from the private sector without using the act.

The spokeswoman, Lizzie Litzow, said in a text message that “at the last minute we were able to procure the test kits from the private market without evoking the DPA.” She said she did not know when those tests would be delivered.

While Mr. Trump signed an executive order last week invoking the law, he did not immediately use it. Instead, he elected to count on companies volunteering to make the equipment and materials. Mr. Trump said six million masks were donated to FEMA in recent days. But it is not clear if that is accurate, or when and where they will be delivered.

Industry officials have been in and out of the White House in recent days, trying to build a database of stockpiles and suppliers. But they said that system was largely being built from scratch.

“The federal government’s most urgent tasks is to accelerate the flow of vital supplies to our front line workers,’’ said Representative Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, a former C.I.A. officer who is on the House Homeland Security Committee.

She said she was introducing legislation to require the administration to enforce the Defense Production Act. But that may well be for a future crisis, not this one.
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Nice link to your source..
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Anyone who thought Gillum would be a great choice shouldn't be allowed to criticize Trump.
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(03-25-2020 07:06 AM)Momus Wrote:  Trump’s out playing golf instead of planning for a major global pandemic with the ability to kill millions - the right-wingers bleat on cue.
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March 24, 2020
WASHINGTON — When Ford’s chief executive, Jim Hackett, announced on Tuesday that the carmaker would team up with General Electric to build ventilators, he tempered the good news with a note of caution: “We’re talking about early June.”

That was just one of several examples that underscored the price of the Trump administration’s slow response to evidence as early as January that the coronavirus was headed to the United States.

For the first time, it is now possible to quantify the cost of the lost weeks, as President Trump was claiming as recently as February that in a “couple of days” the number of cases in the United States “is going to be down to close to zero.”

Ford’s timeline suggested that if the administration had reacted to the acute shortage of ventilators in February, the joint effort between Ford and General Electric might have produced lifesaving equipment sometime in mid- to late April.

A month later, the administration still does not appear to have a streamlined response to the pandemic. The chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Tuesday that the administration would use the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law, to mandate the production of 60,000 coronavirus test kits. By Tuesday night, an agency spokeswoman said that the administration had been able to secure the tests without invoking the law.

The 60,000 tests are a tiny fraction of the tens of millions needed, and it raised the question whether the scarcity today would exist had the White House moved faster more than a month ago, after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fumbled its first effort to send out a test. Commercial laboratories could have produced their own tests earlier, according to industry officials, and governors have said that the wartime law would result in desperately needed equipment arriving in weeks, instead of months.

The gap between the production timelines and the need for immediate supplies led to a scathing assessment from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York. New York accounts for more than 25,000 cases, more than half the total in the country, he said, but it has received only 400 ventilators from the federal government.

“You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators?” Mr. Cuomo said. “What are we going to do with 400 ventilators when we need 30,000 ventilators? You’re missing the magnitude of the problem, and the problem is defined by the magnitude.”

Mr. Trump is caught between his desire to be proactive and optimistic, and the crushing realities of the numbers. For the past two weeks, the administration has usually avoided indicating the number of ventilators, masks or personal protective equipment that it has distributed. That changed on Monday, when Rear Adm. John P. Polowczyk, a senior logistics officer for the Joint Staff at the Pentagon, began specifying delivery quantities.

So far those figures have not compared the number of deliveries to the number of equipment needed. And that gap seems huge.

Mr. Cuomo crystallized the issue on Tuesday when he said that “the timeline doesn’t work.”

“I don’t need ventilators in six months,” he said. “And I don’t need ventilators in five months, four months or three months.”

The reality is that timing is impossible, producers of the equipment say. For example, Medtronic, one of the leading manufacturers of ventilators, now makes about 225 of its high-end machines each week, up from 100 in more normal times. But it is a daunting task because there are 1,500 unique parts supplied from 14 countries. The company is aiming for 500 a week, a Medtronic spokesman said. Even that would not satisfy current demand.

Last week, Mr. Trump urged states to fend for themselves, looking for whatever they could find on the open market. But that only underlined how poorly prepared federal stockpiles were for a pandemic — a situation that the last three administrations had rehearsed in an effort to improve plans. The president’s comments set off a scramble that only accelerated the criticism of how the White House has handled the allocation of scarce supplies.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, a Democrat, argued that in sending each of the states off to find their own equipment, “we’re competing against each other, we’re competing against other countries.” The result, he said, was “we’re overpaying.”

Mr. Trump responded that Mr. Pritzker and other governors “shouldn’t be blaming the federal government for their own shortcomings. We are there to back you up should you fail, and always will be!”

But it is increasingly clear that the federal government will not be able to back up the states, at least at the scale needed, for the first wave of patients. And by letting companies voluntarily produce the necessary equipment, rather than under orders in the Defense Production Act, the administration is not responsible for whether the quotas are met, or if the output reaches hospitals.

Ford’s new partnership with GE Healthcare and 3M aims to produce about 1,000 respirators a month, using fans from F-150 trucks, the most widely sold in the United States, and parts made on 3-D printers. But Mr. Hackett noted that those parts would have to be merged with electronics produced by other suppliers.

Plastic face shields, which are far less complex, will begin to be delivered this week in smaller quantities in Detroit, officials at Ford said, with a goal of producing 100,000 a week.

Peter Gaynor, the Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator, told CNN on Tuesday that the administration was only using the Defense Production Act when it was needed.

“So we’re going to use it, we’re going to use it when we need it and we’re going to use it today,” he said.

But Mr. Trump, who has favored relying on the volunteerism of companies to compile the medical equipment, was not aware that FEMA had been directed to use the law, according to an administration official. Later Tuesday, a FEMA spokeswoman said the administration had elected to get the tests from the private sector without using the act.

The spokeswoman, Lizzie Litzow, said in a text message that “at the last minute we were able to procure the test kits from the private market without evoking the DPA.” She said she did not know when those tests would be delivered.

While Mr. Trump signed an executive order last week invoking the law, he did not immediately use it. Instead, he elected to count on companies volunteering to make the equipment and materials. Mr. Trump said six million masks were donated to FEMA in recent days. But it is not clear if that is accurate, or when and where they will be delivered.

Industry officials have been in and out of the White House in recent days, trying to build a database of stockpiles and suppliers. But they said that system was largely being built from scratch.

“The federal government’s most urgent tasks is to accelerate the flow of vital supplies to our front line workers,’’ said Representative Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, a former C.I.A. officer who is on the House Homeland Security Committee.

She said she was introducing legislation to require the administration to enforce the Defense Production Act. But that may well be for a future crisis, not this one.

Holla back when the US death toll gets to 13,000 like it did under Opuppet in 09-10.
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US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019
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Someone needs to send Momus a donut.. Not the kind you eat, the kind you sit on, cause that poor soul is taking up the tailpipe pretty hard.
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(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.
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(03-25-2020 07:11 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Nice link to your source..

He got it from the laughable NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/us/po...ators.html
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(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Someone needs to send Momus a donut.. Not the kind you eat, the kind you sit on, cause that poor soul is taking up the tailpipe pretty hard.

how did I know you weren't talking about edibles as soon as I saw "DoeNut"....

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao
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(03-25-2020 07:48 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Someone needs to send Momus a donut.. Not the kind you eat, the kind you sit on, cause that poor soul is taking up the tailpipe pretty hard.

how did I know you weren't talking about edibles as soon as I saw "DoeNut"....

03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

There's a quote about great minds and thinking alike.. 03-lmfao
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Ok Momus I am going to post the same thing i just posted in the other thread to dear old Tom....




This is f-kin' tedious....

It does not matter who was/is in charge. NOBODY has a perfect solution, NOBODY has a perfect game plan, and NOBODY will get this exactly right.

Seriously MOMUS STFU.....


We all can agree that (pick an action) could have been done differently or better by a host of people from Trump, to the Senate, to congress to every other leadership in every other country on the world.


Unless you are perfect and have lead a perfect life and made every decision to handle every problem you have faced perfectly - STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(03-25-2020 08:38 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Ok Momus I am going to post the same thing i just posted in the other thread to dear old Tom....




This is f-kin' tedious....

It does not matter who was/is in charge. NOBODY has a perfect solution, NOBODY has a perfect game plan, and NOBODY will get this exactly right.

Seriously MOMUS STFU.....


We all can agree that (pick an action) could have been done differently or better by a host of people from Trump, to the Senate, to congress to every other leadership in every other country on the world.


Unless you are perfect and have lead a perfect life and made every decision to handle every problem you have faced perfectly - STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep. We can also lament on Monday morning that "the Quarterback shouldn't have thrown that last pass"...........we even have a name for it - Monday morning QB.

In other words. Actions/answers are always easier - AFTER THE FACT.

Momus is a troll - no more.
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(03-25-2020 08:38 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Ok Momus I am going to post the same thing i just posted in the other thread to dear old Tom....




This is f-kin' tedious....

It does not matter who was/is in charge. NOBODY has a perfect solution, NOBODY has a perfect game plan, and NOBODY will get this exactly right.

Seriously MOMUS STFU.....


We all can agree that (pick an action) could have been done differently or better by a host of people from Trump, to the Senate, to congress to every other leadership in every other country on the world.


Unless you are perfect and have lead a perfect life and made every decision to handle every problem you have faced perfectly - STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed, the left can f**k right off with this nonsense.
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(03-25-2020 08:38 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Ok Momus I am going to post the same thing i just posted in the other thread to dear old Tom....




This is f-kin' tedious....

It does not matter who was/is in charge. NOBODY has a perfect solution, NOBODY has a perfect game plan, and NOBODY will get this exactly right.

Seriously MOMUS STFU.....


We all can agree that (pick an action) could have been done differently or better by a host of people from Trump, to the Senate, to congress to every other leadership in every other country on the world.


Unless you are perfect and have lead a perfect life and made every decision to handle every problem you have faced perfectly - STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Phew.

Just glad I apparently don’t need to STFU.

Ha. Likely dun f#%^ed up 7 times this A.M. already
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What is the federal government supposed to do? Keep a supply of 500,000 expensive, maintenance intensive medical machines sitting in a warehouse? Then pay an army of people to keep them in operating condition like we do our tank reserves?
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Don't feed the troll.....
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(03-25-2020 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  What is the federal government supposed to do? Keep a supply of 500,000 expensive, maintenance intensive medical machines sitting in a warehouse? Then pay an army of people to keep them in operating condition like we do our tank reserves?

Order a ramp up of production when medical experts tell you a new virus will reach our shores in a matter of weeks and it has the ability to kill millions. That’s what any rational human being would expect.
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(03-25-2020 08:59 AM)Momus Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  What is the federal government supposed to do? Keep a supply of 500,000 expensive, maintenance intensive medical machines sitting in a warehouse? Then pay an army of people to keep them in operating condition like we do our tank reserves?

Order a ramp up of production when medical experts tell you a new virus will reach our shores in a matter of weeks and it has the ability to kill millions. That’s what any rational human being would expect.

Has that happened? In China where it has burned through a population did it kill millions? I think DJT is the ace of spades when it comes to bombastic jackasses, but perhaps you are over reacting here.
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(03-25-2020 09:03 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:59 AM)Momus Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  What is the federal government supposed to do? Keep a supply of 500,000 expensive, maintenance intensive medical machines sitting in a warehouse? Then pay an army of people to keep them in operating condition like we do our tank reserves?

Order a ramp up of production when medical experts tell you a new virus will reach our shores in a matter of weeks and it has the ability to kill millions. That’s what any rational human being would expect.

Has that happened? In China where it has burned through a population did it kill millions? I think DJT is the ace of spades when it comes to bombastic jackasses, but perhaps you are over reacting here.

So many people pretend like we’re approaching a close to this when the truth is we’ve barely begun. The only hope for low deaths is a cure, an effective treatment, or a spontaneous mutation rendering it harmless. Those are hopes, not plans.

We don’t know how many it has killed or is killing in China because their authoritarian regime lies through its teeth all day every day. The toll it will take on America is yet to be seen. I completely agree with those who say this was going to be bad no matter what, but it is laughable to argue that better planning and quicker action would not have slowed the spread and mitigated loss to life and wealth. Trump did nothing for months. And now we will all pay for that. Anyone who denies that reality is a fool.
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