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RE: Trump wasted time and that will kill Americans
Was it damaging that Trump was stating he was still going to hold rallies after social distancing started?
Was it damaging that Trump made claims of having the disease under control ?
Really he usually contradicts himself and is all over the place so much I don't listen to him much.
Maybe some people threw parties and had gatherings because they listened to the part where Trump downplayed it.
He also claimed we have never seen anything this contagious and declared a state of emergency same press conference.
His actions while late possibly have mostly been pretty good.
He is like most presidents its not him its his cabinet and people around him that really matter.
I tune him out and wait for the experts to speak as much as I can.

So many Americans have compromised immune systems .
Thirty forty years ago when food was more nutritious and people worked with their hands we would shake this off.
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(03-25-2020 09:27 AM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Was it damaging that Trump was stating he was still going to hold rallies after social distancing started?
Was it damaging that Trump made claims of having the disease under control ?
Really he usually contradicts himself and is all over the place so much I don't listen to him much.
Maybe some people threw parties and had gatherings because they listened to the part where Trump downplayed it.
He also claimed we have never seen anything this contagious and declared a state of emergency same press conference.
His actions while late possibly have mostly been pretty good.
He is like most presidents its not him its his cabinet and people around him that really matter.
I tune him out and wait for the experts to speak as much as I can.

So many Americans have compromised immune systems .
Thirty forty years ago when food was more nutritious and people worked with their hands we would shake this off.
He formed a Task Force to fight it and stopped travel from China, both in January.
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(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Well I’ll be damned! That sure surprised me :coffee3:
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(03-25-2020 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Don't feed the troll.....

I agree. Don’t feed him. Just bash his head in with the truth. A gift to all who come after us.
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(03-25-2020 08:59 AM)Momus Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:55 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  What is the federal government supposed to do? Keep a supply of 500,000 expensive, maintenance intensive medical machines sitting in a warehouse? Then pay an army of people to keep them in operating condition like we do our tank reserves?

Order a ramp up of production when medical experts tell you a new virus will reach our shores in a matter of weeks and it has the ability to kill millions. That’s what any rational human being would expect.

Then why didn’t Barry do it? He could have made a call from the seventeenth tee.
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(03-25-2020 09:48 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Don't feed the troll.....

I agree. Don’t feed him. Just bash his head in with the truth. A gift to all who come after us.

Exactly. Fish in a barrel.
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(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".


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(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



Testing, truth and the best healthcare system (despite Barry’s meddling) in the world will do that for you.
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It would be interesting to see a graph of the MSM having a temper tantrum and the number of new fake news posted by liberals on this board.....

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(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



who IS your geppeto...(rhetorical)

what's the kill rate now....oh yeah, the same as it was yesterday...

what a fk'n puss-n-boots...
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(03-25-2020 07:06 AM)Momus Wrote:  Trump’s out playing golf instead of planning for a major global pandemic with the ability to kill millions - the right-wingers bleat on cue.
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March 24, 2020
WASHINGTON — When Ford’s chief executive, Jim Hackett, announced on Tuesday that the carmaker would team up with General Electric to build ventilators, he tempered the good news with a note of caution: “We’re talking about early June.”

That was just one of several examples that underscored the price of the Trump administration’s slow response to evidence as early as January that the coronavirus was headed to the United States.

For the first time, it is now possible to quantify the cost of the lost weeks, as President Trump was claiming as recently as February that in a “couple of days” the number of cases in the United States “is going to be down to close to zero.”

Ford’s timeline suggested that if the administration had reacted to the acute shortage of ventilators in February, the joint effort between Ford and General Electric might have produced lifesaving equipment sometime in mid- to late April.

A month later, the administration still does not appear to have a streamlined response to the pandemic. The chief of the Federal Emergency Management Agency said Tuesday that the administration would use the Defense Production Act, a Korean War-era law, to mandate the production of 60,000 coronavirus test kits. By Tuesday night, an agency spokeswoman said that the administration had been able to secure the tests without invoking the law.

The 60,000 tests are a tiny fraction of the tens of millions needed, and it raised the question whether the scarcity today would exist had the White House moved faster more than a month ago, after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fumbled its first effort to send out a test. Commercial laboratories could have produced their own tests earlier, according to industry officials, and governors have said that the wartime law would result in desperately needed equipment arriving in weeks, instead of months.

The gap between the production timelines and the need for immediate supplies led to a scathing assessment from Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York. New York accounts for more than 25,000 cases, more than half the total in the country, he said, but it has received only 400 ventilators from the federal government.

“You want a pat on the back for sending 400 ventilators?” Mr. Cuomo said. “What are we going to do with 400 ventilators when we need 30,000 ventilators? You’re missing the magnitude of the problem, and the problem is defined by the magnitude.”

Mr. Trump is caught between his desire to be proactive and optimistic, and the crushing realities of the numbers. For the past two weeks, the administration has usually avoided indicating the number of ventilators, masks or personal protective equipment that it has distributed. That changed on Monday, when Rear Adm. John P. Polowczyk, a senior logistics officer for the Joint Staff at the Pentagon, began specifying delivery quantities.

So far those figures have not compared the number of deliveries to the number of equipment needed. And that gap seems huge.

Mr. Cuomo crystallized the issue on Tuesday when he said that “the timeline doesn’t work.”

“I don’t need ventilators in six months,” he said. “And I don’t need ventilators in five months, four months or three months.”

The reality is that timing is impossible, producers of the equipment say. For example, Medtronic, one of the leading manufacturers of ventilators, now makes about 225 of its high-end machines each week, up from 100 in more normal times. But it is a daunting task because there are 1,500 unique parts supplied from 14 countries. The company is aiming for 500 a week, a Medtronic spokesman said. Even that would not satisfy current demand.

Last week, Mr. Trump urged states to fend for themselves, looking for whatever they could find on the open market. But that only underlined how poorly prepared federal stockpiles were for a pandemic — a situation that the last three administrations had rehearsed in an effort to improve plans. The president’s comments set off a scramble that only accelerated the criticism of how the White House has handled the allocation of scarce supplies.

Gov. J.B. Pritzker of Illinois, a Democrat, argued that in sending each of the states off to find their own equipment, “we’re competing against each other, we’re competing against other countries.” The result, he said, was “we’re overpaying.”

Mr. Trump responded that Mr. Pritzker and other governors “shouldn’t be blaming the federal government for their own shortcomings. We are there to back you up should you fail, and always will be!”

But it is increasingly clear that the federal government will not be able to back up the states, at least at the scale needed, for the first wave of patients. And by letting companies voluntarily produce the necessary equipment, rather than under orders in the Defense Production Act, the administration is not responsible for whether the quotas are met, or if the output reaches hospitals.

Ford’s new partnership with GE Healthcare and 3M aims to produce about 1,000 respirators a month, using fans from F-150 trucks, the most widely sold in the United States, and parts made on 3-D printers. But Mr. Hackett noted that those parts would have to be merged with electronics produced by other suppliers.

Plastic face shields, which are far less complex, will begin to be delivered this week in smaller quantities in Detroit, officials at Ford said, with a goal of producing 100,000 a week.

Peter Gaynor, the Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator, told CNN on Tuesday that the administration was only using the Defense Production Act when it was needed.

“So we’re going to use it, we’re going to use it when we need it and we’re going to use it today,” he said.

But Mr. Trump, who has favored relying on the volunteerism of companies to compile the medical equipment, was not aware that FEMA had been directed to use the law, according to an administration official. Later Tuesday, a FEMA spokeswoman said the administration had elected to get the tests from the private sector without using the act.

The spokeswoman, Lizzie Litzow, said in a text message that “at the last minute we were able to procure the test kits from the private market without evoking the DPA.” She said she did not know when those tests would be delivered.

While Mr. Trump signed an executive order last week invoking the law, he did not immediately use it. Instead, he elected to count on companies volunteering to make the equipment and materials. Mr. Trump said six million masks were donated to FEMA in recent days. But it is not clear if that is accurate, or when and where they will be delivered.

Industry officials have been in and out of the White House in recent days, trying to build a database of stockpiles and suppliers. But they said that system was largely being built from scratch.

“The federal government’s most urgent tasks is to accelerate the flow of vital supplies to our front line workers,’’ said Representative Elissa Slotkin, Democrat of Michigan, a former C.I.A. officer who is on the House Homeland Security Committee.

She said she was introducing legislation to require the administration to enforce the Defense Production Act. But that may well be for a future crisis, not this one.

So let me get this straight---Trump was supposed to put US industry on war footing---demanding that Ford and GE shut down car lines and build ventilators in late January? On Jan 22nd China had a total of 571 cases and 17 dead. I'll just point out that not only is this a ridiculous use of the hind sight blame game---but it also fails to note that not one single country made those types of moves either. Heck, Trump was the only country to slap a travel ban on China in Jan. 31. The US has acted faster than any other country that didnt face SARS. The only nations that have done well were better prepared because they had a trial run with SARS. The US will be better next time due to lessons we learn during the current crisis.
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(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



I'm truly getting tired of politicians and the media showing "tested" positive numbers as some indication of the spread of this virus. An infinitesimally small number of humans in any country have been tested. We have no clue how many have acquired the virus. All that charts like this show is how rapid a country is at ramping up the testing process. That's all. So...this chart demonstrates that the United States is leading the world in ramping up quick and accurate testing. That's all it shows. Of course, politicians and the media, as usual, twist the meaning of charts like this for their own messaging purposes. Sadly, as demonstrated here, most buy into it.
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(03-25-2020 10:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



I'm truly getting tired of politicians and the media showing "tested" positive numbers as some indication of the spread of this virus. An infinitesimally small number of humans in any country have been tested. We have no clue how many have acquired the virus. All that charts like this show is how rapid a country is at ramping up the testing process. That's all. So...this chart demonstrates that the United States is leading the world in ramping up quick and accurate testing. That's all it shows. Of course, politicians and the media, as usual, twist the meaning of charts like this for their own messaging purposes. Sadly, as demonstrated here, most buy into it.

I don’t know if “most” buy into it but the stupid and low-IQ do, as demonstrated here.
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(03-25-2020 10:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



I'm truly getting tired of politicians and the media showing "tested" positive numbers as some indication of the spread of this virus. An infinitesimally small number of humans in any country have been tested. We have no clue how many have acquired the virus. All that charts like this show is how rapid a country is at ramping up the testing process. That's all. So...this chart demonstrates that the United States is leading the world in ramping up quick and accurate testing. That's all it shows. Of course, politicians and the media, as usual, twist the meaning of charts like this for their own messaging purposes. Sadly, as demonstrated here, most buy into it.

Worse yet, testing everyone would not net you full control of the virus. Even if every single person in the nation was tested---you couldnt do everyone at the exact same time and have everyone get an instant result at the same time. Thus, by the time you get your negative result---you may in fact have been infected by another person who hasnt yet received their positive result. You'd have to test everyone every day to actually control the virus.

We have wide spread testing. The problem is we have a virus where you are contagious several days before exhibiting symptoms. Thats simply a very difficult problem to solve as normal screening methods dont work. You basically have to assume everyone is carrying the virus.

We live in the world we have---the theoretical world where all 330 million citizens of the US can can be tested instantly at that same time doesnt exist here or anywhere else in the world. It is what it is.
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(03-25-2020 11:00 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I don’t know if “most” buy into it but the stupid and low-IQ do, as demonstrated here.

Good point. 02-13-banana
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Panic panic. Orange Man Bad

Post same information again and again.

Pani panic. Orange man bad.
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(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



Numbnuts apparently dont understand how to apply"per capita" to a damn thing.

Also, numbnuts believing what China is telling them.
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(03-25-2020 11:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 10:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



I'm truly getting tired of politicians and the media showing "tested" positive numbers as some indication of the spread of this virus. An infinitesimally small number of humans in any country have been tested. We have no clue how many have acquired the virus. All that charts like this show is how rapid a country is at ramping up the testing process. That's all. So...this chart demonstrates that the United States is leading the world in ramping up quick and accurate testing. That's all it shows. Of course, politicians and the media, as usual, twist the meaning of charts like this for their own messaging purposes. Sadly, as demonstrated here, most buy into it.

Worse yet, testing everyone would net you full control of the virus. Even if every single person in the nation was tested---you couldnt do everyone at the exact same time and have everyone get an instant result at the same time. Thus, by the time you get your negative result---you may in fact have been infected by another person who hasnt yet received their positive result. You'd have to test everyone every day to actually control the virus.

We have wide spread testing. The problem is we have a virus where you are contagious several days before exhibiting symptoms. Thats simply a very difficult problem to solve as normal screening methods dont work. You basically have to assume everyone is carrying the virus.

We live in the world we have---the theoretical world where all 330 million citizens of the US can can be tested instantly at that same time doesnt exist here or anywhere else in the world. It is what it is.
Everyone has a virus at all times. Reminds me of my wife who had Pneumonia last Spring and had sinus surgery back in early January to basically exfoliate her sinuses to see if that would clear up her lung congestion she has been having for 3 years or so. After surgery the doc came out to discuss what he did. He took a culture in her nose just to check as he said he didn't expect to find anything. Post Op my wife couldn't smell or taste for about 10 days which is a symptom of this virus. TWO WEEKS AFTER HER SURGERY the doctor's office called and said her culture tested positive for MRSA. So she went on a strong anti-biotic for 2 weeks to remove that. For those of you that don't know what MRSA is, it is basically a bug you get from a medical facility. It kills way more nursing home patients per year than this virus will ever think of killing. When I was in the Nursing Home business, it was damn near 100% that if a patient had to go to the hospital, they would either get it there or have it when they came back to the home. So everyone is walking around with a virus. We just grow immunity to be able to live with it.
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(03-25-2020 10:56 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 10:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:40 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  US was more prepared for pandemic than any other country, Johns Hopkins study found

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-was-...nd-in-2019

Pretty sure that is NOT what the MSM is telling him to think.

Pretty sure the current trajectory models say we are no longer "prepared".



I'm truly getting tired of politicians and the media showing "tested" positive numbers as some indication of the spread of this virus. An infinitesimally small number of humans in any country have been tested. We have no clue how many have acquired the virus. All that charts like this show is how rapid a country is at ramping up the testing process. That's all. So...this chart demonstrates that the United States is leading the world in ramping up quick and accurate testing. That's all it shows. Of course, politicians and the media, as usual, twist the meaning of charts like this for their own messaging purposes. Sadly, as demonstrated here, most buy into it.

And it's not adjusted for population. With the exception of China (whose numbers you can never trust), we have a lot more peeps than anybody else. And we have now tested more than anybody. And will continue to do so.

I'm convinced a lot of Dems are actually cheering for more to get sick, and this to last until November.
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CNN's Headline regarding Gallop Poll on Trump: "President Trump is as popular as he's ever been right now"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/...index.html

(CNN)Here's an indisputable fact: President Donald Trump is as popular today as he has been since his first day in office.

In a new Gallup poll, 49% approve of the job Trump is doing as president while 45% disapprove, matching the highest his approval rating has ever been in Gallup surveys. A Monmouth University poll released on Monday showed Trump at 46% approval, again the best he has done in that poll in more than three years.

What accounts for Trump's rise? Simple: His response to the coronavirus crisis.
In the Gallup poll, 60% of Americans approve of the job Trump is doing in handling the crisis while 38% disapprove of how he has done. Six in 10 independents approve of how Trump has done on the coronavirus as do more than 1 in 4 (27%) of Democrats. In the Monmouth poll, 50% say Trump has done a good job with coronavirus while 45% said he has done a bad job.
The heightened approval for how Trump has managed this crisis -- particularly among independents and even Democrats -- is what is pushing up his overall approval numbers, which have been largely stagnant for years.

On one level, this isn't terribly surprising. Polling consistently shows a rallying effect around the president when major crises face the country. In the wake of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, for example, President George W. Bush's approval rating soared into the high 80s and low 90s. There's a tendency for even partisans of the opposite party from the president to soften a bit in their perception of him as we are reminded of our common humanity and the need for our leaders to, well, lead us out of crisis.

On another, however, Trump's high approval ratings for how he has dealt with coronavirus and how he is handling the job more broadly might well shock people who have been keeping close track of his and his administration's performance on the pandemic.

After all, it's quite clear that the administration simply didn't take the threat of coronavirus seriously enough soon enough. And the testing capabilities for coronavirus in the US were decidedly slow. And Trump's public statements have been marked by inaccurate claims (the test is "perfect", the vaccine is coming fast, etc).

But what the Gallup and Monmouth numbers seem to suggest is that either a) people aren't following every single statement made by Trump on this matter or b) they don't hold him personally responsible for the hiccups along the way.

The average person seems to broadly believe that Trump is doing the best that he can in a very difficult circumstance. And that what he says on a daily basis matters less than the fact he is out there saying it, and assuring the country that this will all be over soon. (Nota bene: There's very little medical evidence to suggest Trump's optimism is rooted in established facts.)

It's important to keep this perspective in mind when analyzing the political impact this massive campaign of social distancing has as the medical world battles the virus. A large number of Americans are looking at Trump's behavior not from the 50-foot or even 500-foot level but the 50,000-foot level.
And at least so far, they like what they are seeing.
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