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RE: U. Texas: Either ya' can't live with 'em, ya' can't live without 'em.
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(04-02-2020 01:30 PM)texoma Wrote:  
(04-02-2020 07:42 AM)Thiefery Wrote:  Those recruiting days of the 70's and 80's were marred in suspensions.. it was a much different time in recruiting as well. ou really started to pick up in recruiting once the Big 12 conference was formed, which began playing 3 Texas schools regularly. The classes they were getting from 97-2004 were SALTY.

Remember we are talking only about OU recruiting in Texas, not recruiting in general. You must be relatively young. OU's successful recruiting of Texas began in the late 40's and 50's when Bud Wilkinson arrived at OU.

Their recruiting of Texas did NOT pickup when the Big 12 was formed in 1994.

You do admit that the Big10 will not consider inviting Tech, TCU and Baylor?

Yeah I wasn't watching football in the 70's (was born in December of 1979). I just remember seeing ou struggling in the 90's vs Texas (SWC era). Big 12 was formed in 94, but didn't kick off til 1996. The '97 class was the first Big 12 class for ou.. and guess what happened 3 seasons later?
I said the Big would take baylor, tech and tcu? Don't recall that, in fact I wouldn't want any part of that conference. Play more games in MN, Wisconsin, and IL (especially in November), no thank you. Big doesn't make sense for Texas, it does with ou more but not Texas. For Texas it's either the Big 12 plus adding CA, AZ schools or getting in bed with the SEC.
I'll concede that the Big 12 at 10 can't last another decade if the revenue continues to widen between them and the SEC. They need to expand by 4 to make it work and it has to be the right schools.

Born in December 1979! So you were just an impressionable teenager when the Big12 was formed and have no first hand knowledge of OU's recruiting prior to the Big12 being formed.

OU struggled against EVERYBODY in the 1990's, because of the after effect of Switzer being fired and the hiring of bad coaches. John Blake and Howard Schnellenberger almost destroyed the program.

What happened in 2000 was because OU hired a great coach named Bob Stoops in 1999. The best players on that 2000 team were not from Texas anyway. So playing teams from Texas had nothing to do with their recruiting.

As johnintx posted, OU's recruiting in Texas is currently down from what it was before the Big12. if you were a little older you might remember how successful OU was in recruiting Texas, before the Big12 was formed.

who knew it's leading rusher that season wasn't that good anyways, since he was from Houston? I can't remember recruiting classes of the 80's but I'm sure that ou playing 3 Texas schools year in, year out helped out tremendously in 97 and beyond. You can point to recent classes showing that they have gone out of Texas for a lot of it's players. Seems to me that the best players it has, still were from the state. I'm not saying if they only played Texas they would suffer, but I am saying it makes a huge difference when they play TCU, baylor, and Tech every season for those targets. DFW kids get 2 guaranteed games at home every other season if they go to ou.. and not just cake walk games..but big games. It makes a difference since these kids are saying the exact same thing.

Look, it is easy to say, I'm sure OU playing three schools from Texas each year helped out tremendously tremendously in 97 and beyond.
That does not mean anything. You are correct in saying.... if OU only played Texas they would not suffer.

It has already been pointed out to you that DFW is home country to OU. It is the same distance from Norman as Austin. So for DFW kids, playing at OU is like playing at home.
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RE: U. Texas: Either ya' can't live with 'em, or (in B-12) ya' can't live without 'em.
(03-24-2020 05:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It would have been very interesting if things had transpired differently circa 1989:

Colorado to the PAC 11

Nebraska and Penn St to the Big Ten

Texas, TAMU, Ark, & potentially others (Oklahoma?) to the SEC

SWC schools and remaining Big 8 merge.

Really? All of this almost transpired? I remember hearing Colorado and Texas to PAC but didn't know about others. Have any links? Thanks in advance.
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RE: U. Texas: Either ya' can't live with 'em, or (in B-12) ya' can't live without 'em.
(Yesterday 02:23 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(03-24-2020 05:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It would have been very interesting if things had transpired differently circa 1989:

Colorado to the PAC 11

Nebraska and Penn St to the Big Ten

Texas, TAMU, Ark, & potentially others (Oklahoma?) to the SEC

SWC schools and remaining Big 8 merge.

Really? All of this almost transpired? I remember hearing Colorado and Texas to PAC but didn't know about others. Have any links? Thanks in advance.

According to the Texas President at the time (he wrote a book on his time at Texas and the end of the SWC was one chapter), Texas was going to get board approval to join the Pac when Stanford vetoed it. Texas A&M was going to the SEC. Both decided to stay. If that hadn't happened, Colorado would likely have been #12 in Pac and Arkansas #12 in SEC. That would leave the SWC with 6 and Big 8 with 7. Would Nebraska have gotten invited to Big 10? Maybe.
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RE: U. Texas: Either ya' can't live with 'em, or (in B-12) ya' can't live without 'em.
(Yesterday 02:23 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(03-24-2020 05:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  It would have been very interesting if things had transpired differently circa 1989:

Colorado to the PAC 11

Nebraska and Penn St to the Big Ten

Texas, TAMU, Ark, & potentially others (Oklahoma?) to the SEC

SWC schools and remaining Big 8 merge.

Really? All of this almost transpired? I remember hearing Colorado and Texas to PAC but didn't know about others. Have any links? Thanks in advance.

Here is a kind of "what if" article based upon what MIGHT have happened in 2011 if the PAC had expanded with "Texhoma". Though I think it has some of the basic "facts" (as I have heard them) were correct there was never any "definitive" story since neither Texas nor Pac12 talked about or confirmed anything specific and still haven't to this date. I do understand that when A&M "told" the PAC they were going to the SEC the PAC sought Kansas, not Utah, as the replacement. Of course, since it didn't happen, much of the story is piecemeal and it's often difficult to discern the parts which are "facts" from the parts that may be "fiction."

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...xas-pac-12
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