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Coronavirus Feb 24th vs Flu Feb 15th compare each over 1 month
Sorry for the new thread but did not see any looking at just the numbers comparing the 2 in a 1 month period of time

The below shows the numbers for each on those dates then a look at the numbers one month later.

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The below part is "Key Updates for Week 11, ending March 14, 2020" for influenza and if you skip to the bottom number you will see these totals

CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu.

So in one month Feb 15th to March 14th you had 9 million cases, 5,000 deaths and over 100,000 hospitalizations...from the flu. With the hardest hit children and young adults. 149 influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2019-2020 season. With 5 this past week.

So you can draw your own conclusions but here's mine. The numbers with the common flu are attacking the young and under 50 the hardest. while the conronavirus is attacking the old person who is fairly sick to begin with, the hardest.

One is taking the life of those that just started out or should have 40 to 60 years left. While the other is killing people who are on the backside of life and rounding third and head home.....very soon (compared to what the flu is doing) even without the coronavirus.

We are not shutting the country down for the young and workers of this country who's job it is to keep things going. We are doing it for those people who's lived most of their life and if we are being honest....most will still be dead this year, next year, or soon after. That is f'ed up. We are destroying the future of those that will have to live in it and pay to rebuild it....for those that should have already experienced life, the good, bad, and now just living out their days. I'm really close to that group and if giving the choice of catching the coronavirus and dealing with the outcome. I would take that any second over betting the future of my sons and grandson.

Below are the supposedly up to date numbers conronavirus in 1 month compared to the red up above in close to the same period of time.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...in-us.html
Quote:COVID-19: U.S. at a Glance*
Total cases: 15,219
Total deaths: 201
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 54 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, and US Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020, with the exception of testing results for persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and Japan. State and local public health departments are now testing and publicly reporting their cases. In the event of a discrepancy between CDC cases and cases reported by state and local public health officials, data reported by states should be considered the most up to date.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
Quote:Key Points

Nationally, the percent of specimens testing positive for influenza at clinical laboratories continued to decrease while ILI activity increased for the second week in a row after declining for three weeks. Due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, more people may be seeking care for respiratory illness than usual at this time.
Nationally, influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses are now the most commonly reported influenza viruses this season. Previously, influenza B/Victoria viruses predominated nationally.
Laboratory confirmed influenza-associated hospitalization rates for the U.S. population overall remain moderate compared to recent seasons, but rates for children 0-4 years and adults 18-49 years are now the highest CDC has on record for these age groups, surpassing rates reported during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic. Hospitalization rates for school-aged children (5-17 years) are higher than any recent regular season but remain lower than rates experienced by this age group during the pandemic.
Pneumonia and influenza mortality levels have been low, but 149 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic.
CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 38 million flu illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths from flu.
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RE: Coronavirus Feb 24th vs Flu Feb 15th compare each over 1 month
^^^

somebody else is paying att'n and not succumbing to the bs o'day meter.....

the compare/contrast is simple in numbers....yet the msm willingly chooses to filter more propaganda using fear tactics as best method....

that's a sickness like none other that anyone with a functional brain should fear.....
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The private sector, and possibly state and local governments, are going to get us out of this, not the federal government. That's why I have never bought into the idea that the pandemic response team at NSC was the key to solving it.

The trick to a better response would have been getting state, local, and private entities involved sooner. I can criticize Trump for not doing it earlier, but at least he did eventually.

Just remember, when Richard Nixon gave us the 55 mph speed limit, Americans learned how to use CB radios. Our best resource is the resourcefulness and ingenuity of our citizens, not anything that government gives us.
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(03-23-2020 07:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The private sector, and possibly state and local governments, are going to get us out of this, not the federal government. That's why I have never bought into the idea that the pandemic response team at NSC was the key to solving it.

The trick to a better response would have been getting state, local, and private entities involved sooner. I can criticize Trump for not doing it earlier, but at least he did eventually.

Just remember, when Richard Nixon gave us the 55 mph speed limit, Americans learned how to use CB radios. Our best resource is the resourcefulness and ingenuity of our citizens, not anything that government gives us.

I would've done it differently (as I've stated to ad nauseam at this point), but now, it's the only move left on the board....

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A pandemic, not bound by state borders, needs a coordinated federal response and guidance. The idea the lead by states and private industry is ridiculous. They are best at implementing a nationally coordinated response, but states and industry cannot be expected to act in any other interest except their own.
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(03-23-2020 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  A pandemic, not bound by state borders, needs a coordinated federal response and guidance. The idea the lead by states and private industry is ridiculous. They are best at implementing a nationally coordinated response, but states and industry cannot be expected to act in any other interest except their own.

Policy can be set at the federal level, and arguably should. But the federales don't have the assets for implementation. You have to get the state, local, and private sectors involved to accomplish much.
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(03-23-2020 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2020 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  A pandemic, not bound by state borders, needs a coordinated federal response and guidance. The idea the lead by states and private industry is ridiculous. They are best at implementing a nationally coordinated response, but states and industry cannot be expected to act in any other interest except their own.

Policy can be set at the federal level, and arguably should. But the federales don't have the assets for implementation. You have to get the state, local, and private sectors involved to accomplish much.

I agree, but right now, that’s not what’s happening. Beaches in Mississippi are open, yet Coronavirus is spiking in neighboring Louisiana. Someone, in situations such as these, needs to step in and act on the best interests of all... which would be the feds. I agree with states and the private sector implementing a coordinated federal directive, but I do not believe the states are best left to lead the effort.
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RE: Coronavirus Feb 24th vs Flu Feb 15th compare each over 1 month
(03-23-2020 08:34 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(03-23-2020 08:26 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(03-23-2020 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  A pandemic, not bound by state borders, needs a coordinated federal response and guidance. The idea the lead by states and private industry is ridiculous. They are best at implementing a nationally coordinated response, but states and industry cannot be expected to act in any other interest except their own.
Policy can be set at the federal level, and arguably should. But the federales don't have the assets for implementation. You have to get the state, local, and private sectors involved to accomplish much.
I agree, but right now, that’s not what’s happening. Beaches in Mississippi are open, yet Coronavirus is spiking in neighboring Louisiana. Someone, in situations such as these, needs to step in and act on the best interests of all... which would be the feds. I agree with states and the private sector implementing a coordinated federal directive, but I do not believe the states are best left to lead the effort.

No, but the problem is that in the early days, CDC and FDA pretty much kept state, local, and private efforts shackled. Dr. Chu in Washington state developed a test that detected the problem in Seattle before anyone else knew. For her valiant efforts, she got a "cease and desist" order from CDC. That is so wrong-headed on so many counts that it is mind-boggling.

What we should have done is gotten all hands on deck to address the testing and cure issues from day one, probably had a one-week shutdown back in February, including having the exchanges shut down trading for a week, to evaluate alternatives, and then probably adopted the Dutch approach of sheltering those at greatest risk and letting as much of the economy as possible go forward. And as soon as anything looks like a cure, fast-track FDA review and approval, at least on an experimental basis.

That's one place we need to change our laws. If somethings is pending FDA approval, allow docs and patients to assume the risk to use it, so long as everyone makes an informed decision, with no second-guessing later.

The feds have to provide some policy guidance. But they cannot be the doers, because there aren't enough of them.

When Richard Nixon gave us the 55 mph speed limit, Americans learned how to use CB radios. That is the spirit we need now.
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(03-23-2020 08:22 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  A pandemic, not bound by state borders, needs a coordinated federal response and guidance. The idea the lead by states and private industry is ridiculous. They are best at implementing a nationally coordinated response, but states and industry cannot be expected to act in any other interest except their own.

One size fits all is the Democrat way. Treat states with 1 million infections the same as states that have 29 infections. Brilliant O’Blunder level thinking.
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See again my comments about social changes that WE need to make. You can't mandate compliance in a free society

No reason to close beaches.... just watch all of your bodily fluids.

The reason to close beaches is to remove any personal responsibility from anyone and put it on the government to 'save us' from ourselves.
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(03-23-2020 10:14 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  See again my comments about social changes that WE need to make. You can't mandate compliance in a free society

No reason to close beaches.... just watch all of your bodily fluids.

The reason to close beaches is to remove any personal responsibility from anyone and put it on the government to 'save us' from ourselves.

Well, after watching the fiasco that was Florida spring break, I'd say the government has to temporarily save all of us from college students.
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(03-23-2020 10:21 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
(03-23-2020 10:14 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  See again my comments about social changes that WE need to make. You can't mandate compliance in a free society

No reason to close beaches.... just watch all of your bodily fluids.

The reason to close beaches is to remove any personal responsibility from anyone and put it on the government to 'save us' from ourselves.

Well, after watching the fiasco that was Florida spring break, I'd say the government has to temporarily save all of us from college students.

immediate vs long term solutions

The idea that 'if it's bad enough, the government will step in and I may or may not comply anyway' is the problem. So many see government as the problem (no matter what the situation... see these kids) that they can't remotely be the solution
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Nobody actually goes to the beaches in Mississippi. Due to the barrier islands, it's like going to a beach at a lake. You'd get more bang for your buck closing the bingo halls, bowling alleys, and vape stores.
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(03-23-2020 11:02 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  Nobody actually goes to the beaches in Mississippi. Due to the barrier islands, it's like going to a beach at a lake. You'd get more bang for your buck closing the bingo halls, bowling alleys, and vape stores.

Lots of family at the beach yesterday. Lots of bikini and just about every fishing pier was full. Daylight has always been the best disinfectant. Vape stores are open for business and my guess vaping will be a big cause for younger people getting bad cases of this. As long as vaping continues, there will be a lung disease epidemic going forward from whatever bug comes down the pike. Vaping is burning people's lungs.
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Some in this thread are missing the point of the OP it seems.

To me, the question is why are we treating this like the Spanish Flu when all indications are it's less impactful than the flu we deal with each year? Can you imagine the national panic if we posted daily/hourly updates of the flu every season? Some news person saying - "Today we recorded our worst day so far as another 400,000 contracted the virus and another 1,200 deaths".

If we had just played this like the regular flu/new strain would the numbers have gotten to regular flu season levels? I understand that would be on top of the regular flu numbers, which would have strained resources, but is that worse than what we are causing with shutting down the country?
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(03-23-2020 01:02 PM)banker Wrote:  To me, the question is why are we treating this like the Spanish Flu when all indications are it's less impactful than the flu we deal with each year?

I don't agree with this in some ways and I'm in the industry.

I would say that we've gotten to the point where 30-50,000 deaths from flu that has been around for a century or more is accepted, which is crazy... because between now and the 'last' pandemic (swine in 2009) 500,000 Americans have died from flu... so 'collectively', flu is (most likely) more impactful I agree, but from an 'event' standpoint, it is not.

The point really is that all these things that really work with Covid would have helped with both swine and annual flu. If we had been more like the Japanese in terms of reducing transmission all along, TRANSMISSION would make the 'mortality rate' question much less impactful.

We're not doing much right now to impact the mortality rate... merely the transmission.
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(03-23-2020 07:58 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  The private sector, and possibly state and local governments, are going to get us out of this, not the federal government. That's why I have never bought into the idea that the pandemic response team at NSC was the key to solving it.

The trick to a better response would have been getting state, local, and private entities involved sooner. I can criticize Trump for not doing it earlier, but at least he did eventually.

Just remember, when Richard Nixon gave us the 55 mph speed limit, Americans learned how to use CB radios. Our best resource is the resourcefulness and ingenuity of our citizens, not anything that government gives us.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner! But with all due respect, how does that same perspective play into Bismark?
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(03-23-2020 01:02 PM)banker Wrote:  Some in this thread are missing the point of the OP it seems.

To me, the question is why are we treating this like the Spanish Flu when all indications are it's less impactful than the flu we deal with each year? Can you imagine the national panic if we posted daily/hourly updates of the flu every season? Some news person saying - "Today we recorded our worst day so far as another 400,000 contracted the virus and another 1,200 deaths".

If we had just played this like the regular flu/new strain would the numbers have gotten to regular flu season levels? I understand that would be on top of the regular flu numbers, which would have strained resources, but is that worse than what we are causing with shutting down the country?

Hence my initial "This seems to be an overreaction" thread. There are nuances to this particular, to be sure and it does expose heretofore weaknesses in our system that needed shoring up regardless, but how it is being projected could be done more honestly...say more fair and balanced, IMO.
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