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RE: Switching Up the ACC's Divisions
(07-09-2020 09:48 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In this video, College Football Chronicle talks about why the ACC should realign their divisions within the conference and how to better balance out the divisions to create more regional rivalries.

College Football Chronicle proposed realignment:

ACC North
Syracuse
BC
PITT
Louisville
VT
UVA
Wake

ACC South
Clemson
GT
FSU
Maimi
Duke
UNC
NC ST

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo

I wonder how Louisville admin would feel about going from playing FSU and Clemson every year in division to playing an all northern lineup?

Ever since Kaplony said north/south divisional alignment was coming, I believed him as I always thought it was inevitable. The only question was would UVA go north and which NC schools would go north as well.

This lineup seems as likely as any of them although I wouldn't think Louisville fans wouldn't like losing Clemson and FSU every year (I'm sure there football coaches would approve though), VT would rather be in a southern division, UVA would hate being away from the rest of there original ACC rivals and Wake forest gets the worst of it being the only NC school in the north.

The ACC up to 1990/Former Big East/independent split seems better but it puts both Florida Schools in one division and FSU, Miami and VT would all rather be in a southern division.

BE: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Miami, FSU
Old ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake, Clemson, GT

I have to think Clemson would hate losing FSU but they could be permanent cross over opponents.

I like that N/S split where you make 1 power football division in the south and keep UVA, UNC and Duke together in the North. That's:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke
Louisville, Wake, NCST, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

If we keep the current divisions until 2036, that's fine with me.
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RE: Switching Up the ACC's Divisions
(03-22-2020 08:03 AM)schmolik Wrote:  I posted a thread about the ACC's divisions in the P5 thread:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-896753.html

I don't know how you ACC fans think. From an outsider, I don't know who's in what division without looking it up.

The best divisional lineup I can come up with is an "Inner-Outer" one. Put the schools from Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina (Clemson) in the "Inner" division and everyone else in the "Outer" division. You can also call them "Old" and "New" except Virginia Tech would be in the Old division. You wouldn't need permanent crossover games so teams not in the same division would get to play more often. The Old division features all of the Carolina teams so they would play each other every season. All of the old Big East schools would play every season as would Miami and Florida State. The biggest problem I see is the travel budgets for the outer division teams would be higher as there will be yearly travel between the North and South.

Can you think of a better divisional alignment than my Inner-Outer plan? Can you think of a better divisional alignment than the current Atlantic-Coastal one (I don't think it would be too hard)? Would you want to be in Clemson's division because they sell tickets and give you better TV coverage or not in Clemson's division to give you a chance to win the division/make the ACC Championship game?


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The reason the divisions are the way they are is because of Florida Recruiting. Every team not in Florida wanted a Florida team in their division to make it easier to recruit in that state. It is what it is. I suspect that if Pitt was the major Football Power in Pennsylvania and PSU, OSU and Michigan did not exist, then perhaps a North-South division alignment could exist for the ACC.
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RE: Switching Up the ACC's Divisions
(07-09-2020 10:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-09-2020 09:48 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In this video, College Football Chronicle talks about why the ACC should realign their divisions within the conference and how to better balance out the divisions to create more regional rivalries.

College Football Chronicle proposed realignment:

ACC North
Syracuse
BC
PITT
Louisville
VT
UVA
Wake

ACC South
Clemson
GT
FSU
Maimi
Duke
UNC
NC ST

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo

I wonder how Louisville admin would feel about going from playing FSU and Clemson every year in division to playing an all northern lineup?

Ever since Kaplony said north/south divisional alignment was coming, I believed him as I always thought it was inevitable. The only question was would UVA go north and which NC schools would go north as well.

This lineup seems as likely as any of them although I wouldn't think Louisville fans wouldn't like losing Clemson and FSU every year (I'm sure there football coaches would approve though), VT would rather be in a southern division, UVA would hate being away from the rest of there original ACC rivals and Wake forest gets the worst of it being the only NC school in the north.

The ACC up to 1990/Former Big East/independent split seems better but it puts both Florida Schools in one division and FSU, Miami and VT would all rather be in a southern division.

BE: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Miami, FSU
Old ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake, Clemson, GT

I have to think Clemson would hate losing FSU but they could be permanent cross over opponents.

I like that N/S split where you make 1 power football division in the south and keep UVA, UNC and Duke together in the North. That's:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke
Louisville, Wake, NCST, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

If we keep the current divisions until 2036, that's fine with me.

For UVA, the College Football Chronicle proposal would be horrible. Hopefully, we would oppose that alignment.

The old v new members divisions would be acceptable. We’d stress the need for a permanent cross-over with VT. Unfortunately, FSU would likely protest this split (and FSU carries a lot of weight in football).

A N/S split with UVA, UNC and Duke together in the north could work in theory. The concerns are: 1) disparity in relative strength of programs between the two divisions and 2) convincing UVA and UNC old-school donors to be associated with anything that is termed as “north”.
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The best plan, ultimately, would be to go to one division with each school having 3 fixed rivals and the remainder of the schedule rotating. This would provide a home and home with every school over a 4 year cycle with the CCG played between the first and second place schools. Obviously, this would require a rule change by the NCAA. However, the American is quite likely to propose legislation that would allow such a setup so it can continue its 11 school configuration.
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I agree with the above that in a N/S alignment Wake Forest and Virginia are both likely to be sent North. An alternative is to put Miami where they fit better culturally, it's not like there's many bus trips from Miami-Dade to anybody in the ACC anyway.

ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, VT, UVA
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, Wake, Duke

Three tweaked variants that I think could be highly popular:

"Cultural N/S Alignment" ... Cavman will be pissed but this shoe fits.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, Wake, UVA
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, VT, Duke

"Moving Further Away Is Just What Wake Forest Does" ... almost oBE vs oACC.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, VT, Wake
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, UVA, Duke

"Small Private Forced Relocation Program" ... You don't take football seriously, you get sent to Siberia in late November comrade.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, Duke, Wake
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, UVA, VT
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(07-09-2020 11:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  A N/S split with UVA, UNC and Duke together in the north could work in theory. The concerns are: 1) disparity in relative strength of programs between the two divisions and 2) convincing UVA and UNC old-school donors to be associated with anything that is termed as “north”.

don't even try - call it "East" instead.
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(07-09-2020 12:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I agree with the above that in a N/S alignment Wake Forest and Virginia are both likely to be sent North. An alternative is to put Miami where they fit better culturally, it's not like there's many bus trips from Miami-Dade to anybody in the ACC anyway.

ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, VT, UVA
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, Wake, Duke

Three tweaked variants that I think could be highly popular:

"Cultural N/S Alignment" ... Cavman will be pissed but this shoe fits.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, Wake, UVA
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, VT, Duke

"Moving Further Away Is Just What Wake Forest Does" ... almost oBE vs oACC.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, VT, Wake
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, UVA, Duke

"Small Private Forced Relocation Program" ... You don't take football seriously, you get sent to Siberia in late November comrade.
ACC North: Miami, Cuse, BC, Pitt, UofL, Duke, Wake
ACC South: FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, NCST, UVA, VT

UNC, and UVa are culturally more northern than U of L.
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RE: Switching Up the ACC's Divisions
(07-09-2020 11:48 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  
(07-09-2020 10:06 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-09-2020 09:48 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  In this video, College Football Chronicle talks about why the ACC should realign their divisions within the conference and how to better balance out the divisions to create more regional rivalries.

College Football Chronicle proposed realignment:

ACC North
Syracuse
BC
PITT
Louisville
VT
UVA
Wake

ACC South
Clemson
GT
FSU
Maimi
Duke
UNC
NC ST

Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...e=emb_logo

I wonder how Louisville admin would feel about going from playing FSU and Clemson every year in division to playing an all northern lineup?

Ever since Kaplony said north/south divisional alignment was coming, I believed him as I always thought it was inevitable. The only question was would UVA go north and which NC schools would go north as well.

This lineup seems as likely as any of them although I wouldn't think Louisville fans wouldn't like losing Clemson and FSU every year (I'm sure there football coaches would approve though), VT would rather be in a southern division, UVA would hate being away from the rest of there original ACC rivals and Wake forest gets the worst of it being the only NC school in the north.

The ACC up to 1990/Former Big East/independent split seems better but it puts both Florida Schools in one division and FSU, Miami and VT would all rather be in a southern division.

BE: BC, Cuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, Miami, FSU
Old ACC: UVA, UNC, Duke, NCSU, Wake, Clemson, GT

I have to think Clemson would hate losing FSU but they could be permanent cross over opponents.

I like that N/S split where you make 1 power football division in the south and keep UVA, UNC and Duke together in the North. That's:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke
Louisville, Wake, NCST, Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

If we keep the current divisions until 2036, that's fine with me.

For UVA, the College Football Chronicle proposal would be horrible. Hopefully, we would oppose that alignment.

The old v new members divisions would be acceptable. We’d stress the need for a permanent cross-over with VT. Unfortunately, FSU would likely protest this split (and FSU carries a lot of weight in football).

A N/S split with UVA, UNC and Duke together in the north could work in theory. The concerns are: 1) disparity in relative strength of programs between the two divisions and 2) convincing UVA anrd UNC old-school donors to be associated with anything that is termed as “north”.

North
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
UVa
Duke
UNC

South
VT
NCSU
WF
Clemson
GT
FSU
Miami
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(07-09-2020 02:36 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  North
BC
Syracuse
Pitt
Louisville
UVa
Duke
UNC

South
VT
NCSU
WF
Clemson
GT
FSU
Miami

So... 1 football division and 1 basketball division?

Edit: Also, I don't like VT's chances of winning the division in that set up. I'm no longer a proponent of the play any one, any where, type philosophy and from looking at our future OOC scheduling, our current AD isn't either.
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So the South and East tags got me thinking.

Protected rivals play 6 division, rival, and 1 cross division
No rivals play 6 division and 2 cross division

_______________South________East
Protected rival____FSU_________Miami
Protected rival____VT__________UVa
Protected rival____NCSU_______UNC
Protected rival____GT__________Duke
No rival_________UofL_________Pitt
No rival_________Wake________BC
No Rival_________Clemson_____Cuse

This give everyone 1 FL, 2 NC, 1 VA. Splits PA/GA. Splits "bad" recruiting area of KY/MA. Allows UofL, Pitt, Wake, BC, Clemson, Cuse to play more often but break WF from Duke/UNC (OOC?) Would WF break from NCSU and trade with Cuse?


And then a very radical and divisive approach.

No Divisions. Let the next two years home/home game slate be determined by current ratings for best TV/Fan exposure. If both schools want a protected rival game during that time they each have to pay the other 12 schools a fee (fixed percentage of share or $400,000/12).

So on that basis would FSU take their chances that FSU/Miami and FSU/Clemson would be the top rated TV games and not protect them? Would UNC/Duke think that there rivalry is worth the cost? What if NCSU wants Clemson as rival but Clemson does not want to pay? Would NCSU due 2 home games at Clemson or pay Clemson's portion of fee as well?
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Probably divisionless possible next contract now that Delaney gone and playoff will be expanded. Not sure enough acc would vote for it though. Still seems biggest thing besides the 6 year rotation is Atlantic has 2 northern schools and no dmv area.
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Atlantic
Wake
Duke

Coastal
Clemson
FSU
Louisville
UNC
NCSU
UVA
VT
Syracuse
Pitt
Miami
GT
BC

Eight game conference schedule. Tie-Breaker: Mascot Fight. This gives Wake a chance to make the conference championship game at least once every ten years. Added benefit: increased focus on mascot strength and conditioning.
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17 pages and we have run from the sublime to the ridiculous.
It's time to declare a mistrial and realize we have the wrong collection of defendants.
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The old Big East vs old ACC would b fine with me.

Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, VT, Miami, ( ND )

UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, GT, Wake, NC State, Virginia

The perfect scenario would be Notre Dame as a full member playing in the old Big East division, but since they are so stuck on being a Independent it will not happen.

I guess you could ask out of the old ACC schools who would like to move, and personally I would hope for NC State over Wake

Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Miami, VT, NC State

UNC, Duke, Clemson, FSU, GT, Wake, Virginia

Is a balanced as you are going to get it, and yes some will say the Carolina schools need to stay together, but I have read so many stories where N.C. State feels at time being a step child. I think they would be a willing school to depart from the Carolina schools More so than Wake Forrest. [/align]
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(07-11-2020 09:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  17 pages and we have run from the sublime to the ridiculous.
It's time to declare a mistrial and realize we have the wrong collection of defendants.

The problem here is that the jury is guilty!
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None of these proposed alignments would have any prayer of getting enough votes for passage
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(07-11-2020 09:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  17 pages and we have run from the sublime to the ridiculous.
It's time to declare a mistrial and realize we have the wrong collection of defendants.

Don't worry, if history is any indication, someone will start another division realignment thread in a month or so, and you can relive all your favorite scenarios and comments yet again.
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(07-13-2020 06:50 AM)Buckminster Fuller Wrote:  
(07-11-2020 09:04 AM)XLance Wrote:  17 pages and we have run from the sublime to the ridiculous.
It's time to declare a mistrial and realize we have the wrong collection of defendants.

Don't worry, if history is any indication, someone will start another division realignment thread in a month or so, and you can relive all your favorite scenarios and comments yet again.

Too late!
It's looks like the G5 folks have taken up the mantle on the main board.
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