(03-19-2020 02:29 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: This is what I'm talking about. I'm more referring to our response to it which the right keeps on wanting to bring up to try and make it look like they're winning something. And yes, we jumped on it and handled it much quicker that what we've seen so far. I'm not saying they both weren't deadly, I'm saying claims that trump is doing better than Obama or that the media didn't hype H1N1 are reckless and dangerous.
Quote:Though the H1N1 virus had begun spreading in Mexico, the first case in the United States was detected on April 15, 2009, in a 10-year-old patient in California. Two days later, CDC laboratory testing confirmed a second infection in an 8-year-old also living in California. Within one week, the CDC had activated its Emergency Operations Center to respond to what it had identified as an emerging public health threat.
Before the end of April, the government had declared a public health emergency and started releasing medical supplies and drugs from the CDC’s Strategic National Stockpile. “The real-time PCR test developed by CDC was cleared for use by diagnostic laboratories by FDA under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) on April 28, 2009, less than two weeks after identification of the new pandemic virus,” the CDC notes on its website.
Sebelius remembers that date well. It was the day she was sworn in as HHS secretary.
The test developed by the CDC was created quickly. It was accurate. And it was shared with governments around the world, she said. “The capacity of CDC at that point to make and develop and quickly turn out a test was vastly different than what we saw occurring” with the coronavirus, Sebelius said.
No, President Trump, the Coronavirus Is Nothing Like H1N1 Swine Flu Either
but you don't remotely understand 'why' or 'what is similar vs different', Tom.
H1N1 wasn't a truly new virus. Educate yourself on it. Spanish flu a century ago was very similar. Despite how familiar this disease was to us, 60mm people got it in the US alone. OF COURSE the tests were created quickly and were 'accurate' (by some measure... I'm somewhat skeptical based on knowledge about what we call accurate w/r/t regular flu but that's neither here nor there, other than it demonstrated Sebelius downplaying something that infected 1.4 Billion people and killed 500,000)
Did we restrict travel from Mexico? Did we self-quarantine most of the country?
I don't remember any of that happening, despite a similar declaration of a pandemic and national emergency.
You want to know the BIGGEST differences between H1N1 and Covid?
1) H1N1 Spanish Flu infected perhaps 25% of the US population killing an estimated 675k Americans and killing as many as 50 MILLION people globally (in 1918). Despite this, when it came around again in 2009 (for the 4th or 5th time depending on how you specifically classify it) it STILL infected and killed good percentages of the US population. CDC estimates 61mm infected, 275k hospitalized and 12k+ deaths.
Are you really suggesting that 100 years and multiple iterations of the same virus later, that there is NO room to criticize that response/outcome? Consider what the standard of care, hygiene and living was in 1918 vs 2018.
Covid is new. We know next to nothing about it other than it is biologically closely related to a few other Coronaviruses we have seen recently. We're thus doing a WHOLE lot more than we did for swine flu, and yet despite knowing literally nothing, you know for a fact that Trump/Republicans have screwed it up and Obama did just fine.
By the way, it was Obama who in 2014 ended a 10yr lab project that GWB put in place with China specifically related to these viruses... I'm sure that had NOTHING to do with anything though.
2) H1N1 is particularly dangerous because of whom it infects and kills. Young children and otherwise healthy people have been regular victims (both in infection and death) from H1N1
Covid on the other hand seems to heavily skew towards older people both in terms of infection and deaths, with almost all who have died having at least some comorbidities and the overwhelming majority of them having specific risks for flu viruses.
3) 2009 Swine started in Mexico, VERY close to us with a relatively unsecure border. and we were quickly a leading global concern for the spread of the disease
Covid started in China, quite literally half a world away and far less unmonitored human traffic. Certainly few sick Chinese hoping to sneak into the US for better healthcare vis a vis Mexicans.
Bottom line though...
Almost everything you would do to address H1N1 would also apply to Covid.
Despite the KNOWN danger of H1N1 vs the unknown of Covid, we've already done VASTLY MORE to address Covid than was done to address H1N1, precisely BECAUSE of the unknown.
Yet people like you are on here saying 'it's still not enough'.
PERHAPS if you hadn't been crying wolf for the past 4 years over Trump while promoting Obama at every turn, you might have some credibility.
