(04-01-2020 09:48 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  Well it is a Pentacostal church, so even if an infected person attends, they can just get miraculously healed! (<---those are coffee mugs, not beers)

Those snakebites are supposed to be miraculous.

(04-01-2020 09:48 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
Once your rights are taken, they are rarely given back, and makes it easier to remove other rights in the future.

I wouldn't say "rarely given back". Every emergency order I've ever experienced here in Houston during disasters has ultimately been removed. I'm not aware of other cities or states refusing to remove emergency orders after disasters either.

This order isn't there to prevent people from praying, it's to prevent the spread of disease. Churches are free to continue services online, but if the mayor or governor has issued an order, it applies to everyone equally -- no special privileges for religious groups.

(04-01-2020 10:00 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 09:48 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
Once your rights are taken, they are rarely given back, and makes it easier to remove other rights in the future.

I wouldn't say "rarely given back". Every emergency order I've ever experienced here in Houston during disasters has ultimately been removed. I'm not aware of other cities or states refusing to remove emergency orders after disasters either.

This order isn't there to prevent people from praying, it's to prevent the spread of disease. Churches are free to continue services online, but if the mayor or governor has issued an order, it applies to everyone equally -- no special privileges for religious groups.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Can you point out the caveat where this doesn't apply due to sickness?


And as willingly as the sheep were to go along with the stripping of their civil rights this time around makes it all the more likely to happen again.

(04-01-2020 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 10:00 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 09:48 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
Once your rights are taken, they are rarely given back, and makes it easier to remove other rights in the future.

I wouldn't say "rarely given back". Every emergency order I've ever experienced here in Houston during disasters has ultimately been removed. I'm not aware of other cities or states refusing to remove emergency orders after disasters either.

This order isn't there to prevent people from praying, it's to prevent the spread of disease. Churches are free to continue services online, but if the mayor or governor has issued an order, it applies to everyone equally -- no special privileges for religious groups.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Can you point out the caveat where this doesn't apply due to sickness?


And as willingly as the sheep were to go along with the stripping of their civil rights this time around makes it all the more likely to happen again.

I don't see that the governor's orders stops anyone from exercising their freedom of religion, it only prevents them from gathering in groups of more than 50. Are you only able to exercise religion in a specific building? Or can it still be exercised anywhere? My understanding is that the building is not required to pray or otherwise exercise religious practices.

(04-01-2020 10:27 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 10:03 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 10:00 AM)TheOrigamiJimmyChin Wrote:  

(04-01-2020 09:48 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
Once your rights are taken, they are rarely given back, and makes it easier to remove other rights in the future.

I wouldn't say "rarely given back". Every emergency order I've ever experienced here in Houston during disasters has ultimately been removed. I'm not aware of other cities or states refusing to remove emergency orders after disasters either.

This order isn't there to prevent people from praying, it's to prevent the spread of disease. Churches are free to continue services online, but if the mayor or governor has issued an order, it applies to everyone equally -- no special privileges for religious groups.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Can you point out the caveat where this doesn't apply due to sickness?


And as willingly as the sheep were to go along with the stripping of their civil rights this time around makes it all the more likely to happen again.

I don't see that the governor's orders stops anyone from exercising their freedom of religion, it only prevents them from gathering in groups of more than 50. Are you only able to exercise religion in a specific building? Or can it still be exercised anywhere? My understanding is that the building is not required to pray or otherwise exercise religious practices.

Honestly, you should have just replied with "BAHHHHHHHH" like the good sheep you are.

Does the government orders stop religion? No.

Do they restrict the free exercise thereof? Most definitely. How do you take communion at home? How do Catholics go to confession?

Do these orders prevent peaceable assembly? Absolutely.


Like always happens the government has seen how easy it was to scare the populace into just handing over their basic civil rights in the name of security and they will not forget it. They know that once the population becomes conditioned to it it gets easier to do so each and every time. That scares the ever-living hell out of me for when in the future the dims are back in power.

(04-01-2020 10:45 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Honestly, you should have just replied with "BAHHHHHHHH" like the good sheep you are.

Does the government orders stop religion? No.

Do they restrict the free exercise thereof? Most definitely. How do you take communion at home? How do Catholics go to confession?

Does the Constitution protect against all religious PRACTICES though? Extreme example, but you can't sacrifice a person in the name of religion. Or have multiple wives.

Not sure what category this all falls under. I agree that we need to avoid slippery slopes.

Wrong argument.

ALL rights can be infringed, even the right to life or liberty under certain circumstances, usually dealing with due process of law.

Declaring a National Emergency is part of that process.... as is one's right to seek remedy against it.

Because the rules deal with group size and not 'what you're doing as a group', it's going to be a tough legal hill to climb.