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Panthers might just trade Cam
https://www.panthers.com/news/panthers-g...seek-trade

I get it...

but is he healthy enough to play and get good interest around the league.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001...ne-seasons

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His black jersey was my first ever NFL jersey purchase. The store didn't carry the blue one, but I had the coupon for them LOL. Its crazy, but now all my Panther jerseys are obsolete with Olsen gone, Keuchly gone, and now Cam. It was a great run...
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?
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(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-25-2020 01:15 PM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

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For those that pay attention, you might notice that Cam Newton has been one big bag of drama the last few years. Why in the world would the Patriots want to deal with that at QB? Especially for a guy that's past his prime? Especially when there's a very good chance they could land Watson?

What does his time at Auburn have to do with it?
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
The Texans would dump/trade Watson? LOL.

I don't know if he's past his prime or not, a lot depends on this foot injury recovery. Its hard to tell if he's overcome the shoulder injury he got the year before because of how soon the foot injury debacle happened in preseason.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

There is no chance that Watson leaves the Texans. That is a ridiculous rumor. Newton has not been to the Pro Bowl since 2015, his MVP season. He has to prove that he can pass a real physical and play on a “prove it” one year deal for less money than he was going to get in Carolina. Newton was scheduled to make $21 million this season before he was cut.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-26-2020 12:09 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  The Texans would dump/trade Watson? LOL.

I don't know if he's past his prime or not, a lot depends on this foot injury recovery. Its hard to tell if he's overcome the shoulder injury he got the year before because of how soon the foot injury debacle happened in preseason.

I didn't say they would dump him. His contract is up before the 2021 season so some decisions will have to be made.

Indications are that Watson wants out. After the Hopkins trade, he's apparently pissed.

And for one, if the Texans were willing to make such a horrible deal then is it really such a stretch they might accommodate Watson?
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-26-2020 02:28 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

There is no chance that Watson leaves the Texans. That is a ridiculous rumor. Newton has not been to the Pro Bowl since 2015, his MVP season. He has to prove that he can pass a real physical and play on a “prove it” one year deal for less money than he was going to get in Carolina. Newton was scheduled to make $21 million this season before he was cut.

It could be a rumor, but why is it ridiculous?

His contract is up after this coming season and the Texans are commonly thought to be a franchise that makes bad decisions. Look at the recent Hopkins trade.

If they're not going to make sure he as weapons around him then it's entirely plausible at this point to think Watson would want out.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-26-2020 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  His contract is up after this coming season and the Texans are commonly thought to be a franchise that makes bad decisions. Look at the recent Hopkins trade.

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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-26-2020 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 02:28 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

There is no chance that Watson leaves the Texans. That is a ridiculous rumor. Newton has not been to the Pro Bowl since 2015, his MVP season. He has to prove that he can pass a real physical and play on a “prove it” one year deal for less money than he was going to get in Carolina. Newton was scheduled to make $21 million this season before he was cut.

It could be a rumor, but why is it ridiculous?

His contract is up after this coming season and the Texans are commonly thought to be a franchise that makes bad decisions. Look at the recent Hopkins trade.

If they're not going to make sure he as weapons around him then it's entirely plausible at this point to think Watson would want out.

His contract is not quite up this year. As a first round draft pick, the Texans have a fifth year option they can pickup, if they cannot work out an extension. They need to pickup the 5th year option before the start of the season. After the 5th year option, they can franchise tag him, if they cannot work out an extension.

The Texans are not going to trade a franchise quarterback. They do need to hire a GM, but even Houston is not going to trade Watson and it is pure fantasy to think that Houston would trade Watson to New England. No one needs to do any favors for that team. As for Hopkins, trading him was stupid and they did not got enough in return, but they did clear salary cap space to sign Watson and left tackle Laremy Tunsil.
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RE: Panthers might just trade Cam
(03-26-2020 09:07 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 02:28 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 11:46 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Any idea where he'll go ? Perhaps the Pats?

If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

There is no chance that Watson leaves the Texans. That is a ridiculous rumor. Newton has not been to the Pro Bowl since 2015, his MVP season. He has to prove that he can pass a real physical and play on a “prove it” one year deal for less money than he was going to get in Carolina. Newton was scheduled to make $21 million this season before he was cut.

It could be a rumor, but why is it ridiculous?

His contract is up after this coming season and the Texans are commonly thought to be a franchise that makes bad decisions. Look at the recent Hopkins trade.

If they're not going to make sure he as weapons around him then it's entirely plausible at this point to think Watson would want out.

His contract is not quite up this year. As a first round draft pick, the Texans have a fifth year option they can pickup, if they cannot work out an extension. They need to pickup the 5th year option before the start of the season. After the 5th year option, they can franchise tag him, if they cannot work out an extension.

The Texans are not going to trade a franchise quarterback. They do need to hire a GM, but even Houston is not going to trade Watson and it is pure fantasy to think that Houston would trade Watson to New England. No one needs to do any favors for that team. As for Hopkins, trading him was stupid and they did not got enough in return, but they did clear salary cap space to sign Watson and left tackle Laremy Tunsil.

What does that matter? If the Patriots make the right offer then you make the deal regardless of their track record. It's not Houston's job to worry about New England's competitiveness.

If Watson wants out then that will play a factor. I never said Houston would be happy to give him up, but if he wants out and they get the right offer then they might as well take it. If I'm New England then that's exactly what I'm working on because replacing Brady won't be easy and they've shown they can be very flexible with the other areas of personnel. They don't typically sell out to get anyone, but Watson might be worth it.

Anyway, my only point in bringing up Watson was just to illustrate that going after Newton would be a bad idea. Whether it's Watson or not, there are better options that might be available.
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(03-27-2020 02:02 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 09:07 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 02:28 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 01:08 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  If I'm the Patriots, I'm working on getting Deshaun Watson. Maybe I trade for him or maybe I wait until next season.

I want no part of Cam Newton.

There is no chance that Watson leaves the Texans. That is a ridiculous rumor. Newton has not been to the Pro Bowl since 2015, his MVP season. He has to prove that he can pass a real physical and play on a “prove it” one year deal for less money than he was going to get in Carolina. Newton was scheduled to make $21 million this season before he was cut.

It could be a rumor, but why is it ridiculous?

His contract is up after this coming season and the Texans are commonly thought to be a franchise that makes bad decisions. Look at the recent Hopkins trade.

If they're not going to make sure he as weapons around him then it's entirely plausible at this point to think Watson would want out.

His contract is not quite up this year. As a first round draft pick, the Texans have a fifth year option they can pickup, if they cannot work out an extension. They need to pickup the 5th year option before the start of the season. After the 5th year option, they can franchise tag him, if they cannot work out an extension.

The Texans are not going to trade a franchise quarterback. They do need to hire a GM, but even Houston is not going to trade Watson and it is pure fantasy to think that Houston would trade Watson to New England. No one needs to do any favors for that team. As for Hopkins, trading him was stupid and they did not got enough in return, but they did clear salary cap space to sign Watson and left tackle Laremy Tunsil.

What does that matter? If the Patriots make the right offer then you make the deal regardless of their track record. It's not Houston's job to worry about New England's competitiveness.

If Watson wants out then that will play a factor. I never said Houston would be happy to give him up, but if he wants out and they get the right offer then they might as well take it. If I'm New England then that's exactly what I'm working on because replacing Brady won't be easy and they've shown they can be very flexible with the other areas of personnel. They don't typically sell out to get anyone, but Watson might be worth it.

Anyway, my only point in bringing up Watson was just to illustrate that going after Newton would be a bad idea. Whether it's Watson or not, there are better options that might be available.

Teams do not give up franchise quarterbacks. The Texans have the ability to keep Watson through 2023. So he is not going anywhere. In the remote possibility that the Texans were to trade him down the road, it makes sense to send him to an NFC team and it would have to be one heck of a package in return. That would include at least one high first round pick, something the Pats don't usually wind up with.

Cam Newton could be of help to a team if he is healthy, if he is the Cam of 2015. A team would need to be able to work him out and he would have to pass a team physical. I just don't see how that could happen in our current environment. If he is not healthy, then you are right, there are better options.
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(03-28-2020 01:58 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Teams do not give up franchise quarterbacks. The Texans have the ability to keep Watson through 2023.

The only way we could credibly call Watson a franchise quarterback is if we define every average-or-better starting QB as a franchise QB. In 2019, Watson was 11th in quarterback rating, tied for 9th in TD passes, 7th in completion percentage.

If the Texans can re-sign him at an average starting QB salary, then he's a good deal within the salary cap. If Watson wants (or can get elsewhere) a top of the market salary with top of the market guaranteed money in his next contract, then the Texans would be better off not becoming one of those teams that gets burned by paying top-3 money to a QB whose performance is somewhere in the middle among NFL starters. Though, as noted above in this thread, Texans management has made some boneheaded decisions in the past, so there's no telling if they get this one right.
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(03-28-2020 06:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-28-2020 01:58 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Teams do not give up franchise quarterbacks. The Texans have the ability to keep Watson through 2023.

The only way we could credibly call Watson a franchise quarterback is if we define every average-or-better starting QB as a franchise QB. In 2019, Watson was 11th in quarterback rating, tied for 9th in TD passes, 7th in completion percentage.

If the Texans can re-sign him at an average starting QB salary, then he's a good deal within the salary cap. If Watson wants (or can get elsewhere) a top of the market salary with top of the market guaranteed money in his next contract, then the Texans would be better off not becoming one of those teams that gets burned by paying top-3 money to a QB whose performance is somewhere in the middle among NFL starters. Though, as noted above in this thread, Texans management has made some boneheaded decisions in the past, so there's no telling if they get this one right.

Watson has had two full seasons at the helm:

1. Selected to the Pro Bowl in 2018 & 2019.
2. Averaged 4,000 yards passing the past two seasons.
3. He is 3rd in rushing yardage among quarterbacks the past two seasons, behind Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
4. He has completed 67% of his passes the past two seasons.
5. He has led his team to the playoffs in both seasons.
6. He has a 21-10 record as a starter the past two seasons.
7. He is only 24 years old.

Jackson, Allen and Watson are all dual threat quarterbacks, but Watson puts up the better numbers as a passer, at least to this point. Watson threw for 4,165 yards in 2018. Jackson threw for 3,127 yards in 2019 and Josh Allen threw for 3,089 yards in 2019. The point is Watson is a legitimate dual-threat quarterback, along the lines of Russell Wilson. He just needs better talent around him and he needs to learn to get rid of the ball quicker.

As far as passer rating goes, Watson was ranked higher than both Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers the past two seasons. Watson was ranked 6th in quarterback rating in 2018, as well as 11th in 2019. That is good out of 32 starting quarterbacks, but that rating alone does not a determine a quarterback's value to his team.

There are different ways to determine a franchise quarterback, but one is certainly that quarterback's value to his team. Watson is going to be the quarterback for the Texans for the next 10-15 years. That is a franchise quarterback. That means you are also putting up the numbers and getting wins. That does not mean that every game and season are terrific, but the overall is good.

Watson will get paid, somewhere in the vicinity of $35 to $40 million per season, with the important number being the guaranteed dollar number. Jared Goff got an average of $33.5 million on his contract, with a total guaranteed amount of $110 million. Both Patrick Mahomes and Watson will at least equal that number. Ryan Tannehill just signed a contract with Tennessee that has $62 million in full guarantees and $91 million in total guarantees. His 2022 salary of $29 million is guaranteed if he is on the roster on the 5th day of the 2021 league season, a likely occurrence.

https://www.espn.com/blog/houston-texans...uld-be-key

Texan Coach Bill O'Brien stated in January about Watson: “We want him to be a Houston Texan for his career,” O’Brien said. “He is a great person, he's a great football player and he means a lot to this organization, to this city, to this league. I just don't want to get into the nuts and bolts of when you would do that and all those different things. Those things take time, but we want him here for a long time."

I think it is pretty obvious that Watson will be paid like a franchise quarterback and will be with the Texans a long time. He will be the face of the franchise. Based on the past two seasons and his collegiate career, he will have the numbers to back it up.
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Off to the Patriots.

Bill and Cam, get your popcorn ready.
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(06-28-2020 07:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-c...n-patriots

Off to the Patriots.

Bill and Cam, get your popcorn ready.

It's an interesting marriage. Maybe it works.
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(06-28-2020 11:18 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 07:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-c...n-patriots

Off to the Patriots.

Bill and Cam, get your popcorn ready.

It's an interesting marriage. Maybe it works.

not a marriage just a one year living-in arrangement
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(07-11-2020 08:02 PM)EPJr2 Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 11:18 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(06-28-2020 07:37 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  https://www.nfl.com/news/it-s-official-c...n-patriots

Off to the Patriots.

Bill and Cam, get your popcorn ready.

It's an interesting marriage. Maybe it works.

not a marriage just a one year living-in arrangement
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If Bill and Cam get the work done they want to, I can see the Pats paying up on the next contract. I don't think they'd let him go unless they had a stellar other option.
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